Are the s. PA ski hills really packed on Mondays?

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This makes no sense. I wear a mask and am all for wearing masks, work from home and don't do anything crazy risky in terms of COVID. I also break the testing rule every weekend to ski in PA. The 3 day testing rule is useless and not protecting anyone. Just a a false sense of security. A test 3 days before entering is just 15 min covid free snapshot and stupid.

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Enough with the theater. If it was more than theater, PA would enforce it.

I mean, we're going up to Elicotville to ski with friends from Ohio over Presidents' day. Our friends have a house there, and they just laughed when asked if we need to worry about NY's quarantine rules. The Sheriff told them he's not going to enforce the rules, because if he did he'd lose the next election. The area depends heavily on ski tourism.

It's all just theatre. The only states that have meaningful, enforceable quarantine rules are Hawaii and Alaska, for obvious reasons.

Ah it's you again. You have been gathering indoors with several families for months. That's not what's being discussed here.

My friends just skied at Elicotville. they said the COVID rules are not being enforced at all.

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This makes no sense. I wear a mask and am all for wearing masks, work from home and don't do anything crazy risky in terms of COVID. I also break the testing rule every weekend to ski in PA. The 3 day testing rule is useless and not protecting anyone. Just a a false sense of security. A test 3 days before entering is just 15 min covid free snapshot and stupid.

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Enough with the theater. If it was more than theater, PA would enforce it.

I mean, we're going up to Elicotville to ski with friends from Ohio over Presidents' day. Our friends have a house there, and they just laughed when asked if we need to worry about NY's quarantine rules. The Sheriff told them he's not going to enforce the rules, because if he did he'd lose the next election. The area depends heavily on ski tourism.

It's all just theatre. The only states that have meaningful, enforceable quarantine rules are Hawaii and Alaska, for obvious reasons.

Ah it's you again. You have been gathering indoors with several families for months. That's not what's being discussed here.

My friends just skied at Elicotville. they said the COVID rules are not being enforced at all.

The craziest part is that people who are equidistant from Holiday Valley and southern VT choose Holiday Valley.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're coming from MD/DC/VA, do you need a COVID test to ski at Liberty or the other PA resorts? Any recommendation for what time to show up for the rental lines at Liberty?

Yes. You are supposed to test within 3 days of coming I think. Why people who take Covid seriously think it is fine to disregard this is beyond me (for those lax on Covid I am not surprised).

Nobody cares about those rules, Karen.

And if you are already not masking and going about your life normally then fine - I’m not going to try to argue with you. But some of the same people on here that are zealous about masking and Covid are the same ones flouting PA’s effort to keep their numbers more in check by blowing off the testing rule. It’s just incredibly selfish.
Why do I care? I have a ton of relatives in PA so people ignoring their rules makes the state more dangerous for my family that live there.

If out of state skiers are such a risk, Pennsylvania should shut down its ski resorts. But they won’t, since the businesses want the revenue and the governments want their taxes.

Pennsylvania can’t have it both ways.

Why should PA ban its own residents from skiing just to restrict out of staters. That makes no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're coming from MD/DC/VA, do you need a COVID test to ski at Liberty or the other PA resorts? Any recommendation for what time to show up for the rental lines at Liberty?

Yes. You are supposed to test within 3 days of coming I think. Why people who take Covid seriously think it is fine to disregard this is beyond me (for those lax on Covid I am not surprised).

Nobody cares about those rules, Karen.

And if you are already not masking and going about your life normally then fine - I’m not going to try to argue with you. But some of the same people on here that are zealous about masking and Covid are the same ones flouting PA’s effort to keep their numbers more in check by blowing off the testing rule. It’s just incredibly selfish.
Why do I care? I have a ton of relatives in PA so people ignoring their rules makes the state more dangerous for my family that live there.

If out of state skiers are such a risk, Pennsylvania should shut down its ski resorts. But they won’t, since the businesses want the revenue and the governments want their taxes.

Pennsylvania can’t have it both ways.

Why should PA ban its own residents from skiing just to restrict out of staters. That makes no sense.

PA could enforce its orders. It doesn't.

PA knows that its customers at Liberty and Whitetail are almost entirely from the Baltimore-Washington metro area. If health authorities really thought that people coming from this metro area to do outdoor activities 5 miles into PA they'd do more.

-NP

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Anonymous wrote:If you're coming from MD/DC/VA, do you need a COVID test to ski at Liberty or the other PA resorts? Any recommendation for what time to show up for the rental lines at Liberty?

Yes. You are supposed to test within 3 days of coming I think. Why people who take Covid seriously think it is fine to disregard this is beyond me (for those lax on Covid I am not surprised).

Nobody cares about those rules, Karen.

And if you are already not masking and going about your life normally then fine - I’m not going to try to argue with you. But some of the same people on here that are zealous about masking and Covid are the same ones flouting PA’s effort to keep their numbers more in check by blowing off the testing rule. It’s just incredibly selfish.
Why do I care? I have a ton of relatives in PA so people ignoring their rules makes the state more dangerous for my family that live there.

If out of state skiers are such a risk, Pennsylvania should shut down its ski resorts. But they won’t, since the businesses want the revenue and the governments want their taxes.

Pennsylvania can’t have it both ways.

It's not a risk. Me driving 7 miles into PA to ski and not interacting with anyone from PA because literally everyone who skis and works there is from DC, MD and VA is not driving the covid rates in PA.
Karen just loves to complain

Rationalizations.
Not surprised though to see so much justification of why DCUM ski trippers should feel fine blowing off the rules that have been put in place to try to help check Covid. I am no Covid hermit but were I to ski I would pick somewhere that is open like WV rather than deciding I was so special that the rules did not apply to me.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're coming from MD/DC/VA, do you need a COVID test to ski at Liberty or the other PA resorts? Any recommendation for what time to show up for the rental lines at Liberty?

Yes. You are supposed to test within 3 days of coming I think. Why people who take Covid seriously think it is fine to disregard this is beyond me (for those lax on Covid I am not surprised).

Nobody cares about those rules, Karen.

And if you are already not masking and going about your life normally then fine - I’m not going to try to argue with you. But some of the same people on here that are zealous about masking and Covid are the same ones flouting PA’s effort to keep their numbers more in check by blowing off the testing rule. It’s just incredibly selfish.
Why do I care? I have a ton of relatives in PA so people ignoring their rules makes the state more dangerous for my family that live there.

If out of state skiers are such a risk, Pennsylvania should shut down its ski resorts. But they won’t, since the businesses want the revenue and the governments want their taxes.

Pennsylvania can’t have it both ways.

It's not a risk. Me driving 7 miles into PA to ski and not interacting with anyone from PA because literally everyone who skis and works there is from DC, MD and VA is not driving the covid rates in PA.
Karen just loves to complain

Rationalizations.
Not surprised though to see so much justification of why DCUM ski trippers should feel fine blowing off the rules that have been put in place to try to help check Covid. I am no Covid hermit but were I to ski I would pick somewhere that is open like WV rather than deciding I was so special that the rules did not apply to me.

It's not surprising because these are some of the silliest rules out there right now. They're not based in science, and they're not enforced.

My friend in Vermont says that pretty much the same thing is happening there. The ski area lots are full of out of state cars. But everyone is wearing masks everywhere, people are hardly ever inside at all, and Vermonters are accepting that even though there are clearly a lot of 'rule breakers' it's hardly a risky situation.

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If PA wants to keep themselves safe from COVID, start with any attempt at distancing at Liberty. The lines for lift ticket pick up and rentals were not distanced at all. We waited 45 minutes to pick up our lift ticket yesterday at Liberty (purchased online in advance) and the man behind me in line kept standing less than 12 inches from me. I repeatedly asked him to move back...he said "I just can't help myself." The rental line was a mob scene - thank god we had our own gear.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're coming from MD/DC/VA, do you need a COVID test to ski at Liberty or the other PA resorts? Any recommendation for what time to show up for the rental lines at Liberty?

Yes. You are supposed to test within 3 days of coming I think. Why people who take Covid seriously think it is fine to disregard this is beyond me (for those lax on Covid I am not surprised).

Nobody cares about those rules, Karen.

And if you are already not masking and going about your life normally then fine - I’m not going to try to argue with you. But some of the same people on here that are zealous about masking and Covid are the same ones flouting PA’s effort to keep their numbers more in check by blowing off the testing rule. It’s just incredibly selfish.
Why do I care? I have a ton of relatives in PA so people ignoring their rules makes the state more dangerous for my family that live there.

If out of state skiers are such a risk, Pennsylvania should shut down its ski resorts. But they won’t, since the businesses want the revenue and the governments want their taxes.

Pennsylvania can’t have it both ways.

It's not a risk. Me driving 7 miles into PA to ski and not interacting with anyone from PA because literally everyone who skis and works there is from DC, MD and VA is not driving the covid rates in PA.
Karen just loves to complain

Rationalizations.
Not surprised though to see so much justification of why DCUM ski trippers should feel fine blowing off the rules that have been put in place to try to help check Covid. I am no Covid hermit but were I to ski I would pick somewhere that is open like WV rather than deciding I was so special that the rules did not apply to me.

I call bullshit. If you live in Frederick there is no way you are going to WV for a day when your local hill in your backyard is open.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're coming from MD/DC/VA, do you need a COVID test to ski at Liberty or the other PA resorts? Any recommendation for what time to show up for the rental lines at Liberty?

Yes. You are supposed to test within 3 days of coming I think. Why people who take Covid seriously think it is fine to disregard this is beyond me (for those lax on Covid I am not surprised).

Nobody cares about those rules, Karen.

And if you are already not masking and going about your life normally then fine - I’m not going to try to argue with you. But some of the same people on here that are zealous about masking and Covid are the same ones flouting PA’s effort to keep their numbers more in check by blowing off the testing rule. It’s just incredibly selfish.
Why do I care? I have a ton of relatives in PA so people ignoring their rules makes the state more dangerous for my family that live there.

If out of state skiers are such a risk, Pennsylvania should shut down its ski resorts. But they won’t, since the businesses want the revenue and the governments want their taxes.

Pennsylvania can’t have it both ways.

It's not a risk. Me driving 7 miles into PA to ski and not interacting with anyone from PA because literally everyone who skis and works there is from DC, MD and VA is not driving the covid rates in PA.
Karen just loves to complain

Rationalizations.
Not surprised though to see so much justification of why DCUM ski trippers should feel fine blowing off the rules that have been put in place to try to help check Covid. I am no Covid hermit but were I to ski I would pick somewhere that is open like WV rather than deciding I was so special that the rules did not apply to me.

It's not surprising because these are some of the silliest rules out there right now. They're not based in science, and they're not enforced.

My friend in Vermont says that pretty much the same thing is happening there. The ski area lots are full of out of state cars. But everyone is wearing masks everywhere, people are hardly ever inside at all, and Vermonters are accepting that even though there are clearly a lot of 'rule breakers' it's hardly a risky situation.

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Do you all even know the towns of central PA...trust me, you are not the covid danger, its the other way around- lots of Covid deniers round these parts.

Borders are meaningless in this fight now, its UNCHECKED across the country.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/01/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s

Actually wild to see that its come back down in the Idaho area, it was so so so bad there at the 2nd spike that it likely had no where to go but down.

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Anonymous wrote:If PA wants to keep themselves safe from COVID, start with any attempt at distancing at Liberty. The lines for lift ticket pick up and rentals were not distanced at all. We waited 45 minutes to pick up our lift ticket yesterday at Liberty (purchased online in advance) and the man behind me in line kept standing less than 12 inches from me. I repeatedly asked him to move back...he said "I just can't help myself." The rental line was a mob scene - thank god we had our own gear.

This was Wednesday? Any idea why it was so crowded?

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Anonymous wrote:If PA wants to keep themselves safe from COVID, start with any attempt at distancing at Liberty. The lines for lift ticket pick up and rentals were not distanced at all. We waited 45 minutes to pick up our lift ticket yesterday at Liberty (purchased online in advance) and the man behind me in line kept standing less than 12 inches from me. I repeatedly asked him to move back...he said "I just can't help myself." The rental line was a mob scene - thank god we had our own gear.

This was Wednesday? Any idea why it was so crowded?

I was at Whitetail yesterday (Wednesday) and it was crowded yesterday because it's an asynchronous learning day in a lot of schools, it was a nice day after 3 days of snow, and because it's supposed to rain on Friday.

They also don't do a great job of distancing/enforcing mask wearing. There are signs everywhere but each time I've gone more and more people are standing in lift lines and elsewhere with their masks pulled down. There is no enforcement even when staff see it. They are also seriously understaffed this season, which doesn't help.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're coming from MD/DC/VA, do you need a COVID test to ski at Liberty or the other PA resorts? Any recommendation for what time to show up for the rental lines at Liberty?

Yes. You are supposed to test within 3 days of coming I think. Why people who take Covid seriously think it is fine to disregard this is beyond me (for those lax on Covid I am not surprised).

Nobody cares about those rules, Karen.

And if you are already not masking and going about your life normally then fine - I’m not going to try to argue with you. But some of the same people on here that are zealous about masking and Covid are the same ones flouting PA’s effort to keep their numbers more in check by blowing off the testing rule. It’s just incredibly selfish.
Why do I care? I have a ton of relatives in PA so people ignoring their rules makes the state more dangerous for my family that live there.

If out of state skiers are such a risk, Pennsylvania should shut down its ski resorts. But they won’t, since the businesses want the revenue and the governments want their taxes.

Pennsylvania can’t have it both ways.

It's not a risk. Me driving 7 miles into PA to ski and not interacting with anyone from PA because literally everyone who skis and works there is from DC, MD and VA is not driving the covid rates in PA.
Karen just loves to complain

Rationalizations.
Not surprised though to see so much justification of why DCUM ski trippers should feel fine blowing off the rules that have been put in place to try to help check Covid. I am no Covid hermit but were I to ski I would pick somewhere that is open like WV rather than deciding I was so special that the rules did not apply to me.

I mean, yea, kind of...doing what is rational.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you're coming from MD/DC/VA, do you need a COVID test to ski at Liberty or the other PA resorts? Any recommendation for what time to show up for the rental lines at Liberty?

Yes. You are supposed to test within 3 days of coming I think. Why people who take Covid seriously think it is fine to disregard this is beyond me (for those lax on Covid I am not surprised).

Nobody cares about those rules, Karen.

And if you are already not masking and going about your life normally then fine - I’m not going to try to argue with you. But some of the same people on here that are zealous about masking and Covid are the same ones flouting PA’s effort to keep their numbers more in check by blowing off the testing rule. It’s just incredibly selfish.
Why do I care? I have a ton of relatives in PA so people ignoring their rules makes the state more dangerous for my family that live there.

If out of state skiers are such a risk, Pennsylvania should shut down its ski resorts. But they won’t, since the businesses want the revenue and the governments want their taxes.

Pennsylvania can’t have it both ways.

It's not a risk. Me driving 7 miles into PA to ski and not interacting with anyone from PA because literally everyone who skis and works there is from DC, MD and VA is not driving the covid rates in PA.
Karen just loves to complain

Rationalizations.
Not surprised though to see so much justification of why DCUM ski trippers should feel fine blowing off the rules that have been put in place to try to help check Covid. I am no Covid hermit but were I to ski I would pick somewhere that is open like WV rather than deciding I was so special that the rules did not apply to me.

So, traveling to West Virginia doesn't create covid risks, but traveling to Pennsylvania does? That's a nonsensical distinction.

Where you're doing something doesn't make a difference, it's what you're doing that does. Skiing is either a covid risk, or it isn't, regardless of whether you're doing it in Snowshoe or at Liberty.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're coming from MD/DC/VA, do you need a COVID test to ski at Liberty or the other PA resorts? Any recommendation for what time to show up for the rental lines at Liberty?

Yes. You are supposed to test within 3 days of coming I think. Why people who take Covid seriously think it is fine to disregard this is beyond me (for those lax on Covid I am not surprised).

Nobody cares about those rules, Karen.

And if you are already not masking and going about your life normally then fine - I’m not going to try to argue with you. But some of the same people on here that are zealous about masking and Covid are the same ones flouting PA’s effort to keep their numbers more in check by blowing off the testing rule. It’s just incredibly selfish.
Why do I care? I have a ton of relatives in PA so people ignoring their rules makes the state more dangerous for my family that live there.

If out of state skiers are such a risk, Pennsylvania should shut down its ski resorts. But they won’t, since the businesses want the revenue and the governments want their taxes.

Pennsylvania can’t have it both ways.

It's not a risk. Me driving 7 miles into PA to ski and not interacting with anyone from PA because literally everyone who skis and works there is from DC, MD and VA is not driving the covid rates in PA.
Karen just loves to complain

Rationalizations.
Not surprised though to see so much justification of why DCUM ski trippers should feel fine blowing off the rules that have been put in place to try to help check Covid. I am no Covid hermit but were I to ski I would pick somewhere that is open like WV rather than deciding I was so special that the rules did not apply to me.

So, traveling to West Virginia doesn't create covid risks, but traveling to Pennsylvania does? That's a nonsensical distinction.

Where you're doing something doesn't make a difference, it's what you're doing that does. Skiing is either a covid risk, or it isn't, regardless of whether you're doing it in Snowshoe or at Liberty.

+1

People care more about not breaking a useless rule than the real issue, preventing the spread of a virus.

I also call BS that people will drive to WV instead of PA just because of a rule. If people are driving to WV is is because they would rather ski there not because they are law abiding citizens.

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“ So, traveling to West Virginia doesn't create covid risks, but traveling to Pennsylvania does? That's a nonsensical distinction.

Where you're doing something doesn't make a difference, it's what you're doing that does. Skiing is either a covid risk, or it isn't, regardless of whether you're doing it in Snowshoe or at Liberty.”

WV has not issued anything saying to not come or test. PA has. That is the difference.
You can make the selfish choice and decide to blow off the PA rule anyway. Plenty of people are making selfish choices during Covid. But don’t pretend you’re any different than others doing whatever they want despite officials’ efforts to put in place some provisions to keep cases. down.