I understand why so many kids are failing now

[Anonymous]

Oh please. This has just exposed how much hand-holding goes on in school buildings. Remove it and see how little students are capable of doing independently. Kids headed off to college in the next year or two should not need anywhere this much hand-holding. Bad grades? Don't worry. The school district will fix it but making it even earlier to get an A. It should be embarrassing that our students are so helpless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh please. This has just exposed how much hand-holding goes on in school buildings. Remove it and see how little students are capable of doing independently. Kids headed off to college in the next year or two should not need anywhere this much hand-holding. Bad grades? Don't worry. The school district will fix it but making it even earlier to get an A. It should be embarrassing that our students are so helpless.

Stop it. Plenty of kids don’t have anyone holding their hands at home either, and they are indeed failing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh please. This has just exposed how much hand-holding goes on in school buildings. Remove it and see how little students are capable of doing independently. Kids headed off to college in the next year or two should not need anywhere this much hand-holding. Bad grades? Don't worry. The school district will fix it but making it even earlier to get an A. It should be embarrassing that our students are so helpless.

Stop it. Plenty of kids don’t have anyone holding their hands at home either, and they are indeed failing.

Sounds like a parenting failure. Stop blaming the teachers for everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh please. This has just exposed how much hand-holding goes on in school buildings. Remove it and see how little students are capable of doing independently. Kids headed off to college in the next year or two should not need anywhere this much hand-holding. Bad grades? Don't worry. The school district will fix it but making it even earlier to get an A. It should be embarrassing that our students are so helpless.

Oh, hey, you’re in this thread too. College kids are also struggling with DL. Colleges have adjusted Pass/Fail rates because of it. Expecting high school kids to perform at college-level DL when the college kids are struggling is preposterous. I hope you aren’t a teacher. If so, please retire.

[Anonymous]

The teacher was wrong to change how much the assignment was worth and not communicate clearly with students. Students grades should never change that drastically at the end of the marking period.
- High school teacher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh please. This has just exposed how much hand-holding goes on in school buildings. Remove it and see how little students are capable of doing independently. Kids headed off to college in the next year or two should not need anywhere this much hand-holding. Bad grades? Don't worry. The school district will fix it but making it even earlier to get an A. It should be embarrassing that our students are so helpless.

Oh, hey, you’re in this thread too. College kids are also struggling with DL. Colleges have adjusted Pass/Fail rates because of it. Expecting high school kids to perform at college-level DL when the college kids are struggling is preposterous. I hope you aren’t a teacher. If so, please retire.

Maybe it's a sign that all of these high schoolers shouldn't be taking college-level courses. What colleges are now pass/fail?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh please. This has just exposed how much hand-holding goes on in school buildings. Remove it and see how little students are capable of doing independently. Kids headed off to college in the next year or two should not need anywhere this much hand-holding. Bad grades? Don't worry. The school district will fix it but making it even earlier to get an A. It should be embarrassing that our students are so helpless.

Oh, hey, you’re in this thread too. College kids are also struggling with DL. Colleges have adjusted Pass/Fail rates because of it. Expecting high school kids to perform at college-level DL when the college kids are struggling is preposterous. I hope you aren’t a teacher. If so, please retire.

Then they weren't prepared well by in person school or they cannot handle college. Simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with you OP.

Similar thing happening to my MSer. We are always on her back to check her grade and missing assignments. Half the time, it's because the teacher hasn't uploaded the grade or the teacher didn't "see" the submitted assignment. We check grades often because last quarter, she got a bad grade in a foreign language class even though last year she got an A in that class. The teacher is a hot mess with missing assignments and late grading.

My HSer is super organized so this one is on the ball and has gotten straight As (as usual).

DL is fine for kids who are *super* organized, but for the rest.. oiy.

Same thing is happening for my 4th grade student. I see assignments listed as “missing” and DD promises me that she already turned them in. I can’t figure it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The only students who have Ds or Fs for me are the ones who do not come to class or do not do any work, including not taking tests.

This is not the case in many, many situations. There are plenty of normally A/B students now getting a D or F in one subject due to a missed assignment even though they have turned in almost everything else and go to class.

Teachers do not know how to teach on-line. If you have students participating who have a grade history that demonstrated they are more than capable of the work yet they are dropping 2-3-4 letter grades then yes you are doing something very wrong.

I do think more parents would be supportive of continuing distance learning if the teachers were doing a better job.

+1 I stated up thread.. many teachers are doing great, but some are not. They are a hot mess with technology.

This +1000

My DC got high grades during the spring and grades dropped this fall even though he turned in assignments, followed directions, and got 100s on the math tests and quizzes. Teacher said she felt it was more equitable. This year’s teacher struggles with technology, last year’s was capable with tech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The only students who have Ds or Fs for me are the ones who do not come to class or do not do any work, including not taking tests.

This is not the case in many, many situations. There are plenty of normally A/B students now getting a D or F in one subject due to a missed assignment even though they have turned in almost everything else and go to class.

Teachers do not know how to teach on-line. If you have students participating who have a grade history that demonstrated they are more than capable of the work yet they are dropping 2-3-4 letter grades then yes you are doing something very wrong.

I do think more parents would be supportive of continuing distance learning if the teachers were doing a better job.

And there are plenty of A/B kids who now have D/F because they don’t come to class or turn in work. I teach HS and I did not have one student each lower than a B- who came to class consistently and turned in work. The grading scale is quite lenient this year especially. And I have 150 students. Yes DL is difficult but if you don’t come to class or turn in work what are teachers supposed to do?

[Anonymous]

Yup, pretty much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with you OP.

Similar thing happening to my MSer. We are always on her back to check her grade and missing assignments. Half the time, it's because the teacher hasn't uploaded the grade or the teacher didn't "see" the submitted assignment. We check grades often because last quarter, she got a bad grade in a foreign language class even though last year she got an A in that class. The teacher is a hot mess with missing assignments and late grading.

My HSer is super organized so this one is on the ball and has gotten straight As (as usual).

DL is fine for kids who are *super* organized, but for the rest.. oiy.

Same thing is happening for my 4th grade student. I see assignments listed as “missing” and DD promises me that she already turned them in. I can’t figure it out.

This happens all the time. We started to save assignments as pdfs to the desktop and email them to the teacher if necessary. Canvas, the program that dcps uses, was wiping assignments so they were submitted blank.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with you OP.

Similar thing happening to my MSer. We are always on her back to check her grade and missing assignments. Half the time, it's because the teacher hasn't uploaded the grade or the teacher didn't "see" the submitted assignment. We check grades often because last quarter, she got a bad grade in a foreign language class even though last year she got an A in that class. The teacher is a hot mess with missing assignments and late grading.

My HSer is super organized so this one is on the ball and has gotten straight As (as usual).

DL is fine for kids who are *super* organized, but for the rest.. oiy.

Same thing is happening for my 4th grade student. I see assignments listed as “missing” and DD promises me that she already turned them in. I can’t figure it out.

Did you look at the physical assignments that say they're missing? Kids will "say" A lot of things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think parents are now seeing how much handholding is done in a normal school year. Remove that crutch and you see what your kid can really do.

I think they’re seeing just how disorganized some teachers are and how terribly worded some assignments are. It shouldn’t be hard to post a syllabus with all due dates and the relative weight of assignments, quizzes and tests- most college professors manage to do that just fine

You want all the due dates, assignments, and assessments for the entire school year posted in a syllabus at the beginning of the year? K-12 is not the same as a college course.

1) College courses are generally a semester, not an entire year.

HMM, YES. Tim time to get organized, if you claim to be professional. Not that hard. My kids’ online school managed this just fine.

2) College courses usually have 2-4 assessments for the entire semester, while K-12 courses generally have 6-20 assignments and assessments per quarter.

3) College professors don't care if their students aren't "ready" for an assessment.; they give it anyway, and it is on the student to do additional reading and studying to prepare. That would never fly in K-12.

4) College professors don't usually grade "homework," while K-12 teachers do so they can evaluate understanding and support those who are struggling. They also change assignments as needed to help students.

5) College professors don't have to worry if there are assemblies, snow days, etc. that change schedules without warning. They proceed and just change the assessment date to "next class" if there is foul weather. K-12 teachers have schedules switched on them all the time.


Posting ahead of time the weight of assignments and assessments is reasonable, but to ask K-12 teachers to provide a syllabus with an entire year's curriculum already planned day-by-day is ludicrous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think parents are now seeing how much handholding is done in a normal school year. Remove that crutch and you see what your kid can really do.

I think they’re seeing just how disorganized some teachers are and how terribly worded some assignments are. It shouldn’t be hard to post a syllabus with all due dates and the relative weight of assignments, quizzes and tests- most college professors manage to do that just fine

You want all the due dates, assignments, and assessments for the entire school year posted in a syllabus at the beginning of the year? K-12 is not the same as a college course.

1) College courses are generally a semester, not an entire year.

HMM, YES. Tim time to get organized, if you claim to be professional. Not that hard. My kids’ online school managed this just fine.

2) College courses usually have 2-4 assessments for the entire semester, while K-12 courses generally have 6-20 assignments and assessments per quarter.

3) College professors don't care if their students aren't "ready" for an assessment.; they give it anyway, and it is on the student to do additional reading and studying to prepare. That would never fly in K-12.

4) College professors don't usually grade "homework," while K-12 teachers do so they can evaluate understanding and support those who are struggling. They also change assignments as needed to help students.

5) College professors don't have to worry if there are assemblies, snow days, etc. that change schedules without warning. They proceed and just change the assessment date to "next class" if there is foul weather. K-12 teachers have schedules switched on them all the time.


Posting ahead of time the weight of assignments and assessments is reasonable, but to ask K-12 teachers to provide a syllabus with an entire year's curriculum already planned day-by-day is ludicrous.

Maybe not with dates locked in, but with the sequencing of tests, ie unit 2 finished means there will be the paper due, which gets 10% of the overall grade. Not that hard. Really just very basic pm skills