LCPS SB selects Scott Ziegler as interim Superintendent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does a screening test discriminate? You just take the test and the score is what it is!

Same thing with middle school math tracks. Students are placed in their 6th grade math level based on their 5th grade MAP test score. How does this discriminate?

First of all you can go read the AG report because they found discrimination.

Second of all, academic tracking favors white and Asian students. Black and Hispanic students are often not tracked into honors or higher level classes at the numbers white and Asian students are. That creates academic impact that begins in elementary school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does a screening test discriminate? You just take the test and the score is what it is!

Same thing with middle school math tracks. Students are placed in their 6th grade math level based on their 5th grade MAP test score. How does this discriminate?

First of all you can go read the AG report because they found discrimination.

Second of all, academic tracking favors white and Asian students. Black and Hispanic students are often not tracked into honors or higher level classes at the numbers white and Asian students are. That creates academic impact that begins in elementary school.

Because they score lower? It’s not a subjective test.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does a screening test discriminate? You just take the test and the score is what it is!

Same thing with middle school math tracks. Students are placed in their 6th grade math level based on their 5th grade MAP test score. How does this discriminate?

First of all you can go read the AG report because they found discrimination.

Second of all, academic tracking favors white and Asian students. Black and Hispanic students are often not tracked into honors or higher level classes at the numbers white and Asian students are. That creates academic impact that begins in elementary school.

Because they score lower? It’s not a subjective test.

We are not discussing a single test. You don’t have the range for this convo so I’m disengaging.

[Anonymous]

They found discrimination simply because the numbers weren’t proportional to the population. That doesn’t mean that the tests don’t accurately measure ability. It just means they don’t care, in the name of equity. And they don’t even care about equity, they care about not being in the news.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does a screening test discriminate? You just take the test and the score is what it is!

Same thing with middle school math tracks. Students are placed in their 6th grade math level based on their 5th grade MAP test score. How does this discriminate?

First of all you can go read the AG report because they found discrimination.

Second of all, academic tracking favors white and Asian students. Black and Hispanic students are often not tracked into honors or higher level classes at the numbers white and Asian students are. That creates academic impact that begins in elementary school.

Because they score lower? It’s not a subjective test.

We are not discussing a single test. You don’t have the range for this convo so I’m disengaging.

Yeah don’t let facts get in the way of your argument for AA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They found discrimination simply because the numbers weren’t proportional to the population. That doesn’t mean that the tests don’t accurately measure ability. It just means they don’t care, in the name of equity. And they don’t even care about equity, they care about not being in the news.

Raycess!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does a screening test discriminate? You just take the test and the score is what it is!

Same thing with middle school math tracks. Students are placed in their 6th grade math level based on their 5th grade MAP test score. How does this discriminate?

First of all you can go read the AG report because they found discrimination.

Second of all, academic tracking favors white and Asian students. Black and Hispanic students are often not tracked into honors or higher level classes at the numbers white and Asian students are. That creates academic impact that begins in elementary school.

Because they score lower? It’s not a subjective test.

+1 Poster who "disengaged" doesn't have a logical, concrete POV.

[Anonymous]

There are 61 pages of how LCPS fails to do many things for Black and Hispanic students such as provide access to higher levels of curriculum and gifted courses. They are disciplined and referred to sped at higher rates . YES that is all impacting their ability to get into an advanced high school later on. Argue with your mom about it. https://www.loudountimes.com/news/virginia-attorney-general-s-office-finds-reasonable-cause-of-discrimination-within-loudoun-county-public-schools/article_1fb1d100-2b4a-11eb-b326-f79c30dc79b2.html

[Anonymous]

That is a fluff piece with no details. Are you arguing that LCPS should use a quota system? That any advanced study opportunities should have a proportional racial profile to the student body? If that’s your argument that’s fine, but it’s matter for debate.

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Anonymous wrote:He’s another Hutchings (ACPS). Even plays up the “Dr.” and other dime store designations the same way. Will run the system to benefit the administration and teachers NOT the students. Equity BS as opposed to student performance goals.

Better hope it really is only interim.

Sorry Loudoun.

Does that mean he will try to do something about the unending problems with racism we've had in the school system? And you're against that why?

Equity in this sense is an intangible set of goals that can’t be measured, which leads to no accountability of performance. As opposed to those who have been discriminated against being brought up to standard scores, which can be measured. I hope no one is against equity, but not in the way these systems are using the term, to feel better about themselves and not helping students learn so that they can achieve success in the long term.

Equity means dumbing down the curriculum and given everyone less so that smart conscientious kids don’t get “ahead” of anyone. It’s utter BS.

Do you even acknowledge that there is a problem with racism in the school system? What do you think about the state's findings wrt racism in hiring and selecting students for the academies?

I'm familiar with it. But the solution is not holding everyone back until the others catch up. My kids are not old enough for the academics but I wouldn't send them anyway. The point is that with the "everyone can do honors" policy and the super lenient grading and retakes policy, the curriculum is so so watered down and kids that are even remotely smart are bored to tears.

Your kids aren’t school aged and you won’t send them anyway? This isn’t your lane.

I did not say they weren't school aged. I said they weren't old enough for the academics and they aren't, as my oldest is in 7th and both kids have gone through the gifted program, which is about as lame as it gets. They let anyone into honors, let anyone retake a test they did poorly on. The school board recently posted that graduating HS with a 4.0 doesn't even put you in the top half of the class. Its a joke.

Wow, if having a 4.0 doesn’t even put you in the top 50% then the classes are too easy or that’s grade inflation. Sounds like classes are too easy from PP.

These kids are going to face a harsh reality when they get to college.......

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He’s another Hutchings (ACPS). Even plays up the “Dr.” and other dime store designations the same way. Will run the system to benefit the administration and teachers NOT the students. Equity BS as opposed to student performance goals.

Better hope it really is only interim.

Sorry Loudoun.

Does that mean he will try to do something about the unending problems with racism we've had in the school system? And you're against that why?

Equity in this sense is an intangible set of goals that can’t be measured, which leads to no accountability of performance. As opposed to those who have been discriminated against being brought up to standard scores, which can be measured. I hope no one is against equity, but not in the way these systems are using the term, to feel better about themselves and not helping students learn so that they can achieve success in the long term.

Equity means dumbing down the curriculum and given everyone less so that smart conscientious kids don’t get “ahead” of anyone. It’s utter BS.

Do you even acknowledge that there is a problem with racism in the school system? What do you think about the state's findings wrt racism in hiring and selecting students for the academies?

I'm familiar with it. But the solution is not holding everyone back until the others catch up. My kids are not old enough for the academics but I wouldn't send them anyway. The point is that with the "everyone can do honors" policy and the super lenient grading and retakes policy, the curriculum is so so watered down and kids that are even remotely smart are bored to tears.

Your kids aren’t school aged and you won’t send them anyway? This isn’t your lane.

I did not say they weren't school aged. I said they weren't old enough for the academics and they aren't, as my oldest is in 7th and both kids have gone through the gifted program, which is about as lame as it gets. They let anyone into honors, let anyone retake a test they did poorly on. The school board recently posted that graduating HS with a 4.0 doesn't even put you in the top half of the class. Its a joke.

Wow, if having a 4.0 doesn’t even put you in the top 50% then the classes are too easy or that’s grade inflation. Sounds like classes are too easy from PP.

These kids are going to face a harsh reality when they get to college.......

Yes. Reality check will be harsh. But I’m still getting paid. Sue me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He’s another Hutchings (ACPS). Even plays up the “Dr.” and other dime store designations the same way. Will run the system to benefit the administration and teachers NOT the students. Equity BS as opposed to student performance goals.

Better hope it really is only interim.

Sorry Loudoun.

Does that mean he will try to do something about the unending problems with racism we've had in the school system? And you're against that why?

Equity in this sense is an intangible set of goals that can’t be measured, which leads to no accountability of performance. As opposed to those who have been discriminated against being brought up to standard scores, which can be measured. I hope no one is against equity, but not in the way these systems are using the term, to feel better about themselves and not helping students learn so that they can achieve success in the long term.

Equity means dumbing down the curriculum and given everyone less so that smart conscientious kids don’t get “ahead” of anyone. It’s utter BS.

Do you even acknowledge that there is a problem with racism in the school system? What do you think about the state's findings wrt racism in hiring and selecting students for the academies?

I'm familiar with it. But the solution is not holding everyone back until the others catch up. My kids are not old enough for the academics but I wouldn't send them anyway. The point is that with the "everyone can do honors" policy and the super lenient grading and retakes policy, the curriculum is so so watered down and kids that are even remotely smart are bored to tears.

Your kids aren’t school aged and you won’t send them anyway? This isn’t your lane.

Seriously. PP has very strong (and invalid) opinions about things she doesn’t understand and don’t affect her.

WTF, for example, is the objection to a retake policy? The objective of school is to learn the material, not compete for a bell curve of grades.

PP sounds like the kind of person who is frequently wrong but rarely in doubt.

What happened to "meeting students where they are?" Or does that only apply to kids who are behind?

A retake policy does meet students where they are

A stupid academy for advanced white and Asian students that excludes Black and Hispanic students technically meets those students where they are

Taking away the geometry requirement and moving to a lottery is just going to turn the school into a joke. It’s not going to help the black and Hispanic kids.

I knew a whip smart black guy in law school. He LOVED that law review had a totally blind selection process. He said it was the first thing in his life people would know he truly earned on merit, and not because he was black.

Oh, you’re a lawyer. Well, that figures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are 61 pages of how LCPS fails to do many things for Black and Hispanic students such as provide access to higher levels of curriculum and gifted courses. They are disciplined and referred to sped at higher rates . YES that is all impacting their ability to get into an advanced high school later on. Argue with your mom about it. https://www.loudountimes.com/news/virginia-attorney-general-s-office-finds-reasonable-cause-of-discrimination-within-loudoun-county-public-schools/article_1fb1d100-2b4a-11eb-b326-f79c30dc79b2.html

Referred to SPED at a higher rate? That's the first time I've heard that. And why would that be bad? If there is a learning disability, the school would identify it through that process and provide needed services. If there's no disability, no services.

You aren't honestly saying that receiving special ed services is somehow a negative, or negatively impacts a child's progress later in school, are you? Because it's quite the opposite, and plenty of kids who receive those services are highly intelligent, participate and succeed later on in AP classes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are 61 pages of how LCPS fails to do many things for Black and Hispanic students such as provide access to higher levels of curriculum and gifted courses. They are disciplined and referred to sped at higher rates . YES that is all impacting their ability to get into an advanced high school later on. Argue with your mom about it. https://www.loudountimes.com/news/virginia-attorney-general-s-office-finds-reasonable-cause-of-discrimination-within-loudoun-county-public-schools/article_1fb1d100-2b4a-11eb-b326-f79c30dc79b2.html

Referred to SPED at a higher rate? That's the first time I've heard that. And why would that be bad? If there is a learning disability, the school would identify it through that process and provide needed services. If there's no disability, no services.

You aren't honestly saying that receiving special ed services is somehow a negative, or negatively impacts a child's progress later in school, are you? Because it's quite the opposite, and plenty of kids who receive those services are highly intelligent, participate and succeed later on in AP classes.

These students do not always have learning disabilities or SN. They are referred for behaviors. This has been proven to be part of the school to prison pipeline for Black and Hispanic students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are 61 pages of how LCPS fails to do many things for Black and Hispanic students such as provide access to higher levels of curriculum and gifted courses. They are disciplined and referred to sped at higher rates . YES that is all impacting their ability to get into an advanced high school later on. Argue with your mom about it. https://www.loudountimes.com/news/virginia-attorney-general-s-office-finds-reasonable-cause-of-discrimination-within-loudoun-county-public-schools/article_1fb1d100-2b4a-11eb-b326-f79c30dc79b2.html

Referred to SPED at a higher rate? That's the first time I've heard that. And why would that be bad? If there is a learning disability, the school would identify it through that process and provide needed services. If there's no disability, no services.

You aren't honestly saying that receiving special ed services is somehow a negative, or negatively impacts a child's progress later in school, are you? Because it's quite the opposite, and plenty of kids who receive those services are highly intelligent, participate and succeed later on in AP classes.

These students do not always have learning disabilities or SN. They are referred for behaviors. This has been proven to be part of the school to prison pipeline for Black and Hispanic students.

Oh give me a break. You think that getting referred to SN for behavior issues leads to prison?!?! You OBVIOUSLY have no idea how SN referrals and evaluations work. Evaluations are done by licensed clinical psychologists and there is absolutely no motivation to wrongfully identify a disability that isn't present. In fact, if anything, there is an incentive for the school to avoid identifying disabilities as they are then required to do so much more work and spend a ton of money providing resources to the student that then HELPS the student. Go read the SNs boards and you will see countless parents lamenting that their child's school did not agree to evaluate their child. You've got it wrong, on all counts.

The head of the Special Needs department for all of Loudoun County is a highly qualified African American woman, by the way. If there were systemic issues along the lines of what you are saying, I would think she'd be all over it.