New to the area - BRYC or other local travel clubs

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Anonymous wrote:If the goal is to eventually play in the GA or the Ecnl, get your foot in the door and go to Bryc or another ga/ecnl club at the younger age groups

Question on why you think this? Logically this makes sense to me, but based on other threads, it sounds like a major complaint of those programs from parents with kids in younger ages is exactly that they recruit over all the kids in the program and get enamored with new shiny toys. As I said, logically this advice makes sense to me and theoretically those clubs should have more money/more attractive environments to hire better coaches at all ages because of that status, but it just doesn't seem to play out that way. Forgetting about the ridiculous vitriol and club fighting in other threads, there does seem to be a pattern of older kid recruitment and talk of cherry picking better development elsewhere as opposed to "get in early because the club is great at player development and half the ECNL/GA kids tend to come from their own club". Any parents out there that have stayed at a club (BRYC or other) a couple years prior to up to ECNL/GA willing to comment on the makeup of the club in year 1 or 2 of GA/ECNL relative to existing club players?

If you look at the make up of the BRYC Boys U14 ECNL team.
approximately

10 players from U10 or younger A team
1 player developed from yheir B team
8 players new to the club at the ECNL of u13 or u14

So the theory of Bryc developing talent is debunked right here. 1 actual player moved up from their B team system to reach ECNL team. 10 were either so much better all the way up from
u9 to U13 (which shows extreme lack of development by the club for the entire player pool)

The 8 new players were developed by other clubs who might not be an ECNL team for them to play on.

Well if BRYC developed all players equally, then this makes sense that the kids who were training and playing with the A team stayed with the A team. For a B kid to make the A team, BRYC would have had to train this kid more/better than than the A team, right? ...unless the B kids trained harder or developed sooner than the A team kids. Can you say that these B team kids trained harder than the A team kids and actually desreved to move up. Just the fact that only one kid moved up doesn't speak against BRYC to me....and I don't like BRYC...FWIW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the goal is to eventually play in the GA or the Ecnl, get your foot in the door and go to Bryc or another ga/ecnl club at the younger age groups

Question on why you think this? Logically this makes sense to me, but based on other threads, it sounds like a major complaint of those programs from parents with kids in younger ages is exactly that they recruit over all the kids in the program and get enamored with new shiny toys. As I said, logically this advice makes sense to me and theoretically those clubs should have more money/more attractive environments to hire better coaches at all ages because of that status, but it just doesn't seem to play out that way. Forgetting about the ridiculous vitriol and club fighting in other threads, there does seem to be a pattern of older kid recruitment and talk of cherry picking better development elsewhere as opposed to "get in early because the club is great at player development and half the ECNL/GA kids tend to come from their own club". Any parents out there that have stayed at a club (BRYC or other) a couple years prior to up to ECNL/GA willing to comment on the makeup of the club in year 1 or 2 of GA/ECNL relative to existing club players?

If you look at the make up of the BRYC Boys U14 ECNL team.
approximately

10 players from U10 or younger A team
1 player developed from yheir B team
8 players new to the club at the ECNL of u13 or u14

So the theory of Bryc developing talent is debunked right here. 1 actual player moved up from their B team system to reach ECNL team. 10 were either so much better all the way up from
u9 to U13 (which shows extreme lack of development by the club for the entire player pool)

The 8 new players were developed by other clubs who might not be an ECNL team for them to play on.

Wouldn't this imply that at least the A team developed talent well enough for effectively all those kids to become ECNL players though? The 8 new players seems fair in the sense that from 7v7 up to 11v11 you add 6-8 players over time. I like to see the B team developed too and that's certainly a question/pause, but how does that compare overall. Too hard to answer, but do "B" or "C" team players at other clubs develop at a higher rate to become ECNL players somewhere? Or is it a 10-1 ratio as well?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the goal is to eventually play in the GA or the Ecnl, get your foot in the door and go to Bryc or another ga/ecnl club at the younger age groups

Question on why you think this? Logically this makes sense to me, but based on other threads, it sounds like a major complaint of those programs from parents with kids in younger ages is exactly that they recruit over all the kids in the program and get enamored with new shiny toys. As I said, logically this advice makes sense to me and theoretically those clubs should have more money/more attractive environments to hire better coaches at all ages because of that status, but it just doesn't seem to play out that way. Forgetting about the ridiculous vitriol and club fighting in other threads, there does seem to be a pattern of older kid recruitment and talk of cherry picking better development elsewhere as opposed to "get in early because the club is great at player development and half the ECNL/GA kids tend to come from their own club". Any parents out there that have stayed at a club (BRYC or other) a couple years prior to up to ECNL/GA willing to comment on the makeup of the club in year 1 or 2 of GA/ECNL relative to existing club players?

If you look at the make up of the BRYC Boys U14 ECNL team.
approximately

10 players from U10 or younger A team
1 player developed from yheir B team
8 players new to the club at the ECNL of u13 or u14

So the theory of Bryc developing talent is debunked right here. 1 actual player moved up from their B team system to reach ECNL team. 10 were either so much better all the way up from
u9 to U13 (which shows extreme lack of development by the club for the entire player pool)

The 8 new players were developed by other clubs who might not be an ECNL team for them to play on.

You cannot develop all players equally because players do not develop equally. This is a function of many factors beyond coaching. What you describe above is actually a higher percentage of internal players than I would have expected. Given the size of the youth pool at clubs like BRYC and McLean, I would expect them to source most of their players for ECNL teams (at least on boys side) from surrounding clubs. There's nothing wrong with that given the considerably higher degree of competition those teams must face. It would be unreasonable to expect clubs with one decent U12 team to transition to 11 v 11 at elite levels without major player imports. Other clubs have enormous pools of players, and yet a number of them also continue to source top talent from other clubs. That's merit-based competition and absolutely reflects well on the coaching staff at those older ages who make tough choices that may not go down well with others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the goal is to eventually play in the GA or the Ecnl, get your foot in the door and go to Bryc or another ga/ecnl club at the younger age groups

Question on why you think this? Logically this makes sense to me, but based on other threads, it sounds like a major complaint of those programs from parents with kids in younger ages is exactly that they recruit over all the kids in the program and get enamored with new shiny toys. As I said, logically this advice makes sense to me and theoretically those clubs should have more money/more attractive environments to hire better coaches at all ages because of that status, but it just doesn't seem to play out that way. Forgetting about the ridiculous vitriol and club fighting in other threads, there does seem to be a pattern of older kid recruitment and talk of cherry picking better development elsewhere as opposed to "get in early because the club is great at player development and half the ECNL/GA kids tend to come from their own club". Any parents out there that have stayed at a club (BRYC or other) a couple years prior to up to ECNL/GA willing to comment on the makeup of the club in year 1 or 2 of GA/ECNL relative to existing club players?

If you look at the make up of the BRYC Boys U14 ECNL team.
approximately

10 players from U10 or younger A team
1 player developed from yheir B team
8 players new to the club at the ECNL of u13 or u14

So the theory of Bryc developing talent is debunked right here. 1 actual player moved up from their B team system to reach ECNL team. 10 were either so much better all the way up from
u9 to U13 (which shows extreme lack of development by the club for the entire player pool)

The 8 new players were developed by other clubs who might not be an ECNL team for them to play on.

Well if BRYC developed all players equally, then this makes sense that the kids who were training and playing with the A team stayed with the A team. For a B kid to make the A team, BRYC would have had to train this kid more/better than than the A team, right? ...unless the B kids trained harder or developed sooner than the A team kids. Can you say that these B team kids trained harder than the A team kids and actually desreved to move up. Just the fact that only one kid moved up doesn't speak against BRYC to me....and I don't like BRYC...FWIW.

LOL you do realize that some kids will be better give the same amount of training? Hell nature players will better with far less training.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the goal is to eventually play in the GA or the Ecnl, get your foot in the door and go to Bryc or another ga/ecnl club at the younger age groups

Question on why you think this? Logically this makes sense to me, but based on other threads, it sounds like a major complaint of those programs from parents with kids in younger ages is exactly that they recruit over all the kids in the program and get enamored with new shiny toys. As I said, logically this advice makes sense to me and theoretically those clubs should have more money/more attractive environments to hire better coaches at all ages because of that status, but it just doesn't seem to play out that way. Forgetting about the ridiculous vitriol and club fighting in other threads, there does seem to be a pattern of older kid recruitment and talk of cherry picking better development elsewhere as opposed to "get in early because the club is great at player development and half the ECNL/GA kids tend to come from their own club". Any parents out there that have stayed at a club (BRYC or other) a couple years prior to up to ECNL/GA willing to comment on the makeup of the club in year 1 or 2 of GA/ECNL relative to existing club players?

If you look at the make up of the BRYC Boys U14 ECNL team.
approximately

10 players from U10 or younger A team
1 player developed from yheir B team
8 players new to the club at the ECNL of u13 or u14

So the theory of Bryc developing talent is debunked right here. 1 actual player moved up from their B team system to reach ECNL team. 10 were either so much better all the way up from
u9 to U13 (which shows extreme lack of development by the club for the entire player pool)

The 8 new players were developed by other clubs who might not be an ECNL team for them to play on.

I'm not saying BRYC develop kids especially well - but I don't think this is proof of anything. Either the kids developed or they did not. How much better did the kids on the A team get? How much better did the kids on the B team get? It's perfectly possible that all the kids were developed wonderfully but that the ones on the A team simply developed at the same rate as, and therefore remained better than, the kids on the B team.

Let's face it - things like ball skills, coordination, speed, and overall athleticism typicaly don't change all that much as the kids grow. The ones who excel at an early age usually continue to excel. And the ones that are not as talented usually remain that way. Size and strength are more changeable, and hard work certainly makes a difference - but I wouldn't expect coaching to change the pecking order all that much.

[Anonymous]

I see this as no interest in developing the B team or C team from U9 on up. This strategy is now catching up with them as this particular team is no only under performing in Ecnl. But also being passed up by multiple NCSL teams in the same general area (5-10 mile radius).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see this as no interest in developing the B team or C team from U9 on up. This strategy is now catching up with them as this particular team is no only under performing in Ecnl. But also being passed up by multiple NCSL teams in the same general area (5-10 mile radius).

I always thought this was universal. The best way to move from a B team to an A team is to switch clubs because you are more likely to get a fresh look at tryouts without any other associated baggage be it the club worrying about having to backfill a lower club roster slot (not as attractive to outside players) or a coach just thinking of a kid as a B player.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the goal is to eventually play in the GA or the Ecnl, get your foot in the door and go to Bryc or another ga/ecnl club at the younger age groups

Question on why you think this? Logically this makes sense to me, but based on other threads, it sounds like a major complaint of those programs from parents with kids in younger ages is exactly that they recruit over all the kids in the program and get enamored with new shiny toys. As I said, logically this advice makes sense to me and theoretically those clubs should have more money/more attractive environments to hire better coaches at all ages because of that status, but it just doesn't seem to play out that way. Forgetting about the ridiculous vitriol and club fighting in other threads, there does seem to be a pattern of older kid recruitment and talk of cherry picking better development elsewhere as opposed to "get in early because the club is great at player development and half the ECNL/GA kids tend to come from their own club". Any parents out there that have stayed at a club (BRYC or other) a couple years prior to up to ECNL/GA willing to comment on the makeup of the club in year 1 or 2 of GA/ECNL relative to existing club players?

If you look at the make up of the BRYC Boys U14 ECNL team.
approximately

10 players from U10 or younger A team
1 player developed from yheir B team
8 players new to the club at the ECNL of u13 or u14

So the theory of Bryc developing talent is debunked right here. 1 actual player moved up from their B team system to reach ECNL team. 10 were either so much better all the way up from
u9 to U13 (which shows extreme lack of development by the club for the entire player pool)

The 8 new players were developed by other clubs who might not be an ECNL team for them to play on.

I'm not saying BRYC develop kids especially well - but I don't think this is proof of anything. Either the kids developed or they did not. How much better did the kids on the A team get? How much better did the kids on the B team get? It's perfectly possible that all the kids were developed wonderfully but that the ones on the A team simply developed at the same rate as, and therefore remained better than, the kids on the B team.

Let's face it - things like ball skills, coordination, speed, and overall athleticism typicaly don't change all that much as the kids grow. The ones who excel at an early age usually continue to excel. And the ones that are not as talented usually remain that way. Size and strength are more changeable, and hard work certainly makes a difference - but I wouldn't expect coaching to change the pecking order all that much.

Any other club does the same thing and recruit players for team A from other clubs. The difference is that these other clubs segregate team B from team A. They focus on team A.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see this as no interest in developing the B team or C team from U9 on up. This strategy is now catching up with them as this particular team is no only under performing in Ecnl. But also being passed up by multiple NCSL teams in the same general area (5-10 mile radius).

You may see it that way, but
(1) The lack of movement between B and A team is not good evidence for your case.
(2) If the team is now worse than teams it was previously better than, that is evidence for your case that the A team players at least are not being developed very well. Are you sure this is the case though? An ECNL team - even BRYC who I agree are pretty bad - worse than multiple NCSL teams in the area? Have they lost a bunch of games to ECNL teams?
(3) Every club will, in general, assign their best coaches to A teams. This makes perfect sense and is the best use of them - improving the most talented kids rather than focusing on trying to turn the just below average kids into a little bit above average.

It is true that many lesser coaches are not especially good at recognizing talent, and that there will be overlap between the top of the B team and the bottom of the A team and clubs probably won't move a player up or down if the difference is small (or unrecognized) so moving clubs can be an answer to this issue.

[Anonymous]

^ Have they lost a bunch of games to NCSL teams?

[Anonymous]

Getting back to the original's posters question - The younger BRYC girls teams (U9/U10/U11) did not do well this year. BRYC might have been good back in the day. We played their U10 team this year in NCSL and tournaments, and they were not very good at all, and did not seem well coached. We beat them 11-0 and 12-0 in the last tournament of the year if that helps you gauge their competitiveness against other local travel programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the goal is to eventually play in the GA or the Ecnl, get your foot in the door and go to Bryc or another ga/ecnl club at the younger age groups

Question on why you think this? Logically this makes sense to me, but based on other threads, it sounds like a major complaint of those programs from parents with kids in younger ages is exactly that they recruit over all the kids in the program and get enamored with new shiny toys. As I said, logically this advice makes sense to me and theoretically those clubs should have more money/more attractive environments to hire better coaches at all ages because of that status, but it just doesn't seem to play out that way. Forgetting about the ridiculous vitriol and club fighting in other threads, there does seem to be a pattern of older kid recruitment and talk of cherry picking better development elsewhere as opposed to "get in early because the club is great at player development and half the ECNL/GA kids tend to come from their own club". Any parents out there that have stayed at a club (BRYC or other) a couple years prior to up to ECNL/GA willing to comment on the makeup of the club in year 1 or 2 of GA/ECNL relative to existing club players?

Look at the makeup of the Fcv , loudoun , and vda u13 girls ga/ecnl teams. Kids aren’t moving clubs as much anymore.

[Anonymous]

lol, there aren't any clubs in NoVa which would promote to the A team if they have the choice to add new revenue from outside instead. Youth soccer is about the $$$$ not the kids. Can't single out BRYC on that one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see this as no interest in developing the B team or C team from U9 on up. This strategy is now catching up with them as this particular team is no only under performing in Ecnl. But also being passed up by multiple NCSL teams in the same general area (5-10 mile radius).

I always thought this was universal. The best way to move from a B team to an A team is to switch clubs because you are more likely to get a fresh look at tryouts without any other associated baggage be it the club worrying about having to backfill a lower club roster slot (not as attractive to outside players) or a coach just thinking of a kid as a B player.

Nonsense. We are on a U12 team with two players who moved up four teams and two players who moved up two colors. Really good clubs hope they will find talent within their player pool and promote it, and they look to do this whenever possible n my experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:lol, there aren't any clubs in NoVa which would promote to the A team if they have the choice to add new revenue from outside instead. Youth soccer is about the $$$$ not the kids. Can't single out BRYC on that one.

This is just more vapid crap. If it's all about the money, then every club has an incentive to win. They will try to develop and retain players to win. Or they will select players who can win. My kid definitely wants to be on a winning team, and winning helps both $$ and kids. These things are not necessarily in tension.