An Amazon Effect?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Before you flame me. I took today off (personal leave) to accompany DH to see a specialist. Your children just had office hours and I was still available by Zoom on my phone except the 15 min right before lunch when the doctor spoke with us.

I had an interesting conversation with the nurse in which she said we were so nice compared to the other patients so far this week. She said she was seeing “an Amazon effect” in how patients treated their medical care services and providers right now. People were irritated that the staff had set hours and asked for telehealth appointments at 8 pm or mid afternoon on a Sunday. They also were becoming very verbally abusive at being asked to experience any delay in response or service. It’s already caused a different staff member to leave their practice. I felt really bad for her and said so. I didn’t share this with her, but I recognize the same behaviors in some of my students and their families. Just the sense that education should be on demand, there should be 24/7 support, and the customer is always right. I haven’t hit my personal brick wall with it yet, but if this is the direction we are headed for public education, it might be time. It’s one thing if I chose to put in 14+ hour days. It’s another if a student feels entitled to a response from me at 10 PM on a Friday.

Can we just not treat education like those socks you ordered two days ago?

Ridiculous, entitled people (mostly mothers) are so foot-stompingly angry about DL that they demand that they tell you when and how you will do your job. It's futile and absurd, but it makes them feel powerful.

Just like you would if your own toddler was throwing a tantrum, ignore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.

This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.

Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.

Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.

OMG. The whole point is that functional adults should not "feel ignored" for not getting an immediate response to an email sent in the middle of the night, or 10 minutes before the weekend.

An astonishingly large percentage of the supposed adult population needs to grow the hell up and realize the world does not revolve around them and they are not the only ones in it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First, teachers wanted to work at home. Well— part of the problem with working from home is your work creeping into your home life. Work from home is great. Until your boss wants to chat at 8pm. Most of us have to suck it up and take the call. Think long and hard before demanding indefinite telework.

And stop calling me and demanding I talk to you at that exact moment. My child also has a father, who manages call well. And, more to the point, I have a job too and can’t always drop everything and have a personal conversations. Email and ask to set up a time. Half the time. The other half, call dad.

Second, I agree that doctors office have gotten away with overbooking and making people sit for hours for far too long. And for me COVID is the breaking point. I do get pissy if I have to sit in a waiting room with a dozen other people for two hours for an appointment that could be done over telemedicine— to be seen for a condition that puts me in a COVID high risk group. Not okay.

Moral of the story:

If you work from home, it’s not unusual for people to expect you to be on call. Get your butt back in the classroom. Problem solved.

And stop pretending you are in office hours when you are in fact at the doctors office. Take leave like everyone else. Teachers want to be treated like professionals without, you know, acting like professionals.

And during COVID, making people with illnesses sit in a waiting room for long periods of time with sick people is a bad idea and upsets them. If you can’t understand that, perhaps you shouldn’t be a nurse.

Also, if you feel the need to gripe about the patients you see, you definitely shouldn’t be a nurse.

Neither of these things has anything to do with Amazon.

Bless your heart.

You people are SO entitled. Noooooobody caaaares that you or anyone else "expect (them) to be on call." Teachers work contracted hours. They can *choose* to respond to you outside of them, but they are not required to. So keep "expecting." LOL.

"Get your butt back in the classroom." No. Problem solved.

Bless your heart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That has nothing to do with Amazon. That nurse is really inappropriate.

+1. We are the middle of a pandemic

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Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.

This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.

Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.

Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.

OMG. The whole point is that functional adults should not "feel ignored" for not getting an immediate response to an email sent in the middle of the night, or 10 minutes before the weekend.

An astonishingly large percentage of the supposed adult population needs to grow the hell up and realize the world does not revolve around them and they are not the only ones in it.

Seriously, what exactly would it cost you? It takes like 2 seconds to set up.

[Anonymous]

I hear you op.
We were away this summer in a remote area and we had to call ahead to the local book store (35 min drive)to see if they had a book my child wanted. They said they need to order it and that we could pick it up in 4 days. “Four DAYS!” Was my daughters reply. Yep.
That sort of thing happened multiple times that month. It was so good for all of us. Reality check.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.

This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.

Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.

Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.

OMG. The whole point is that functional adults should not "feel ignored" for not getting an immediate response to an email sent in the middle of the night, or 10 minutes before the weekend.

An astonishingly large percentage of the supposed adult population needs to grow the hell up and realize the world does not revolve around them and they are not the only ones in it.

Seriously, what exactly would it cost you? It takes like 2 seconds to set up.

The point is that YOU the sender should assume that the teachers will respond ASAP, meaning when they can. As in a couple of DAYS not hours.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.

This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.

Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.

Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.

OMG. The whole point is that functional adults should not "feel ignored" for not getting an immediate response to an email sent in the middle of the night, or 10 minutes before the weekend.

An astonishingly large percentage of the supposed adult population needs to grow the hell up and realize the world does not revolve around them and they are not the only ones in it.

Seriously, what exactly would it cost you? It takes like 2 seconds to set up.

The point is that YOU the sender should assume that the teachers will respond ASAP, meaning when they can. As in a couple of DAYS not hours.

The actual point is that rather than providing information, which literally costs you nothing, you chose to create a conflict where none actually exists. Or you have so few real problems that you actually believe that an email is a horrific offense. Go on and get yourself worked up over it, you certainly haven't got anything else to do.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.

This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.

Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.

Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.

OMG. The whole point is that functional adults should not "feel ignored" for not getting an immediate response to an email sent in the middle of the night, or 10 minutes before the weekend.

An astonishingly large percentage of the supposed adult population needs to grow the hell up and realize the world does not revolve around them and they are not the only ones in it.

Seriously, what exactly would it cost you? It takes like 2 seconds to set up.

The point is that YOU the sender should assume that the teachers will respond ASAP, meaning when they can. As in a couple of DAYS not hours.

The actual point is that rather than providing information, which literally costs you nothing, you chose to create a conflict where none actually exists. Or you have so few real problems that you actually believe that an email is a horrific offense. Go on and get yourself worked up over it, you certainly haven't got anything else to do.

What does it cost a parent to wait until Monday evening or even Tuesday morning to follow up on a Friday night email that didn’t get answered yet?

[Anonymous]

Either you want teachers to grade today or you want us to email you back answering why the grades aren’t finalized yet. Grades are not due until Friday, but we have to teach Tuesday through Friday. For the love of god, just stop emailing for one day.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.

This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.

Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.

Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.

OMG. The whole point is that functional adults should not "feel ignored" for not getting an immediate response to an email sent in the middle of the night, or 10 minutes before the weekend.

An astonishingly large percentage of the supposed adult population needs to grow the hell up and realize the world does not revolve around them and they are not the only ones in it.

Seriously, what exactly would it cost you? It takes like 2 seconds to set up.

The point is that YOU the sender should assume that the teachers will respond ASAP, meaning when they can. As in a couple of DAYS not hours.

The actual point is that rather than providing information, which literally costs you nothing, you chose to create a conflict where none actually exists. Or you have so few real problems that you actually believe that an email is a horrific offense. Go on and get yourself worked up over it, you certainly haven't got anything else to do.

What does it cost a parent to wait until Monday evening or even Tuesday morning to follow up on a Friday night email that didn’t get answered yet?

How do you manage to live? It must be very difficult being simultaneously incompetent and perpetually offended.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.

This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.

Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.

Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.

OMG. The whole point is that functional adults should not "feel ignored" for not getting an immediate response to an email sent in the middle of the night, or 10 minutes before the weekend.

An astonishingly large percentage of the supposed adult population needs to grow the hell up and realize the world does not revolve around them and they are not the only ones in it.

Seriously, what exactly would it cost you? It takes like 2 seconds to set up.

The point is that YOU the sender should assume that the teachers will respond ASAP, meaning when they can. As in a couple of DAYS not hours.

The actual point is that rather than providing information, which literally costs you nothing, you chose to create a conflict where none actually exists. Or you have so few real problems that you actually believe that an email is a horrific offense. Go on and get yourself worked up over it, you certainly haven't got anything else to do.

What does it cost a parent to wait until Monday evening or even Tuesday morning to follow up on a Friday night email that didn’t get answered yet?

How do you manage to live? It must be very difficult being simultaneously incompetent and perpetually offended.

This is what someone deeply insecure posts when their emotional needs are not immediately met. You need intensive therapy. Your poor, poor child.

[Anonymous]

I’m a college professor and I am used to the idea that I should get back to a student within 24 hours and within less than that whenever possible. I don’t mind meeting my students after hours by Zoom. When my babies were little, I had a group of students who I was advising and they really nicely scheduled meetings with me at 9 pm on campus. I could put my baby to bed and then go meet them and they were still up studying then anyway. I do think that high school teachers are weirdly protective of core hours and aren’t as flexible as most other professionals. I don’t make any more than a high school teacher, so its not a difference in pay.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.

This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.

Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.

Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.

OMG. The whole point is that functional adults should not "feel ignored" for not getting an immediate response to an email sent in the middle of the night, or 10 minutes before the weekend.

An astonishingly large percentage of the supposed adult population needs to grow the hell up and realize the world does not revolve around them and they are not the only ones in it.

Seriously, what exactly would it cost you? It takes like 2 seconds to set up.

The point is that YOU the sender should assume that the teachers will respond ASAP, meaning when they can. As in a couple of DAYS not hours.

The actual point is that rather than providing information, which literally costs you nothing, you chose to create a conflict where none actually exists. Or you have so few real problems that you actually believe that an email is a horrific offense. Go on and get yourself worked up over it, you certainly haven't got anything else to do.

What does it cost a parent to wait until Monday evening or even Tuesday morning to follow up on a Friday night email that didn’t get answered yet?

How do you manage to live? It must be very difficult being simultaneously incompetent and perpetually offended.

This is what someone deeply insecure posts when their emotional needs are not immediately met. You need intensive therapy. Your poor, poor child.

This is a weird interaction because out of the two of you, you're actually the one who comes off more childish.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't attribute this to Amazon, I would attribute it to DL, WFH.

I've WFH for years and sometimes I work during business hours, sometimes at 10pm, weekends, etc. As more and more workers work from home at odd hours, they expect odd hours of service.

Although abusive people are just bad.

Maybe the solution is to run separate schools that match the hours of those student’s parents? When I first moved to this area, I was surprised to learn that day care centers only operated M-F from 7 am to 6 pm. I had lived in many major world cities with daycare centers that were 24/7 and others than were overnight only centers from 3 pm to 7 am for shift workers or people who were in entertainment. Maybe a second set of public schools that are in session from 3 pm to 9 pm would be best for those families right now. Teachers who are night owls could volunteer for those positions.

Which city had overnight daycare? That’s exactly what night nurses need!