On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(honestly, the districts that are absolutely determined to open have seen some teacher attrition, but not devastating numbers. See Georgia, FLorida, Tenafly district in NJ which took a hard stance of work in person or quit, etc)

Arizona?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/tucson.com/news/local/arizonas-teacher-shortage-worsens-as-hundreds-walk-away-due-to-covid-19/article_ece2ccc3-2e03-59c5-b433-ac08483c85fd.amp.html

I suspect that the insane POD salaries in neighboring California have had that effect. We do not have that wide of a salary discrepancy here due to more moderate salaries in general in the DC area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remote teaching can be outsourced to teachers in other parts of the country.

I'm honestly surprised this was not considered.

If the teachers make themselves too "precious" next thing you know the school board can hire teachers from out of state to teach the remote classes.

Many teachers in other parts of the country work for a lot less pay.

Finding teachers to work remote isn’t the problem.

Understand the school board can hire remote teachers from elsewhere and in fact even overseas for a lot less money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(honestly, the districts that are absolutely determined to open have seen some teacher attrition, but not devastating numbers. See Georgia, FLorida, Tenafly district in NJ which took a hard stance of work in person or quit, etc)

Arizona?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/tucson.com/news/local/arizonas-teacher-shortage-worsens-as-hundreds-walk-away-due-to-covid-19/article_ece2ccc3-2e03-59c5-b433-ac08483c85fd.amp.html

I suspect that the insane POD salaries in neighboring California have had that effect. We do not have that wide of a salary discrepancy here due to more moderate salaries in general in the DC area.

I had painters employed full time by a school board in California in a poor area earning $160,000 per year. Amazing. In my area full time painters employed by the school board make around $22,000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remote teaching can be outsourced to teachers in other parts of the country.

I'm honestly surprised this was not considered.

If the teachers make themselves too "precious" next thing you know the school board can hire teachers from out of state to teach the remote classes.

Many teachers in other parts of the country work for a lot less pay.

Finding teachers to work remote isn’t the problem.

Understand the school board can hire remote teachers from elsewhere and in fact even overseas for a lot less money.

I suspect that will have to come over the objections of the teachers' union, but I am ready for them to be challenged hard on everything.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-30/leanin-org-finds-covid-19-could-push-women-out-of-workforce-and-senior-roles?sref=px9VEDa6&utm_source=url_link&fbclid=IwAR3r-BTlmgl2kkebaxZqAIQujm4yHcZr_hCGwby5Yg1BmNLahPquXDRgshc

While teachers are protecting their own, a quarter of American women have quit or are contemplating quitting their jobs. Teachers "working" from home is a disgrace, especially now when the epidemiological situation is not as dire as it was in the spring.

[Anonymous]

So, we get on with it. We replace them, eventually.

This. In some ways the vitriol (on both sides) is besides the point. There are all sorts of reasons, from truly life-or-death to frivolous, why a teacher would not want to work in-person in these circumstances. But if you cannot or will not do your job, you resign. That's just how it is. The employers find new workers, change criteria for the job, offer more $, or whatever, to find replacements.

Yes, theyll just make teachers appear even though there are shortages all over the country. Short programs like Teach for America have a horrible success rate when it comes to them staying in the classroom. You need people who can manage a classroom, have at least a Bachelors degree, willing to work 60 hours for less than 50k for the first year, pay for all of their classroom supplies, and lets not forget CAN ACTUALLY TEACH TO DIFFERENT KIDS. Yall act like all they need is a body in there then youll complain that the teachers arent teaching. Well this is what you get.

Please. Where are teachers going to go in a deep recession? There is also a "alternative jobs with commensurate salaries and benefits" shortage. And that shortage is going to get worse, and more white-collar, before it gets better. Call their bluff. People keep mentioning AZ, but MA, CT, and now NYC have opened with no exodus. This is just baloney.

[Anonymous]

Fine, bring the kids in and let the remote teacher teach from a tv screen in the corner of the classroom. Let her prove she can do her job “remotely.” When the classroom inevitably dissolved into chaos with the tv teacher, fire the teacher for incompetent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fine, bring the kids in and let the remote teacher teach from a tv screen in the corner of the classroom. Let her prove she can do her job “remotely.” When the classroom inevitably dissolved into chaos with the tv teacher, fire the teacher for incompetent.

Unfortunately, I don't think incompetence can actually get you fired as a teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Remote teaching can be outsourced to teachers in other parts of the country.

I'm honestly surprised this was not considered.

If the teachers make themselves too "precious" next thing you know the school board can hire teachers from out of state to teach the remote classes.

Many teachers in other parts of the country work for a lot less pay.

This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever heard.

The first issue is that most of the people who refuse to go back to work are refusing to go back to in person work not remote

Second, why would a teacher working in North Carolina who is making 30k switch to teaching remote for the promise of making 32k in carroll county they know that their colleagues who are teaching in person are making 38k?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fine, bring the kids in and let the remote teacher teach from a tv screen in the corner of the classroom. Let her prove she can do her job “remotely.” When the classroom inevitably dissolved into chaos with the tv teacher, fire the teacher for incompetent.

You could always hire some of those laid off waiyers or disney workers to do classroom management as a para

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remote teaching can be outsourced to teachers in other parts of the country.

I'm honestly surprised this was not considered.

If the teachers make themselves too "precious" next thing you know the school board can hire teachers from out of state to teach the remote classes.

Many teachers in other parts of the country work for a lot less pay.

This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever heard.

The first issue is that most of the people who refuse to go back to work are refusing to go back to in person work not remote

Second, why would a teacher working in North Carolina who is making 30k switch to teaching remote for the promise of making 32k in carroll county they know that their colleagues who are teaching in person are making 38k?

It's really not. Remote teaching could be outsourced to India! There's no reason why it has to be the same teacher in the same county.

Teachers unions might be overplaying their hands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remote teaching can be outsourced to teachers in other parts of the country.

I'm honestly surprised this was not considered.

If the teachers make themselves too "precious" next thing you know the school board can hire teachers from out of state to teach the remote classes.

Many teachers in other parts of the country work for a lot less pay.

This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever heard.

The first issue is that most of the people who refuse to go back to work are refusing to go back to in person work not remote

Second, why would a teacher working in North Carolina who is making 30k switch to teaching remote for the promise of making 32k in carroll county they know that their colleagues who are teaching in person are making 38k?

It's really not. Remote teaching could be outsourced to India! There's no reason why it has to be the same teacher in the same county.

Teachers unions might be overplaying their hands.

So you would fire all the teachers for refusing to go back to in person, replace them with teachers from India and then how do you get everyone to go back in person?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remote teaching can be outsourced to teachers in other parts of the country.

I'm honestly surprised this was not considered.

If the teachers make themselves too "precious" next thing you know the school board can hire teachers from out of state to teach the remote classes.

Many teachers in other parts of the country work for a lot less pay.

This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever heard.

The first issue is that most of the people who refuse to go back to work are refusing to go back to in person work not remote

Second, why would a teacher working in North Carolina who is making 30k switch to teaching remote for the promise of making 32k in carroll county they know that their colleagues who are teaching in person are making 38k?

It's really not. Remote teaching could be outsourced to India! There's no reason why it has to be the same teacher in the same county.

Teachers unions might be overplaying their hands.

So you would fire all the teachers for refusing to go back to in person, replace them with teachers from India and then how do you get everyone to go back in person?

As has been discussed before, it would make for a difficult year. Any teachers that do not resign would be sent back to the classroom, and remote teachers would take over distance learning classes (since we know 30-50% of kids would stay home). It wouldn't be easy, but the districts would be better off in the long-term without the teachers that have refused to do their jobs.

But when faced with the prospect of losing their income without unemployment eligibility, I think the vast majority of teachers would return.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine, bring the kids in and let the remote teacher teach from a tv screen in the corner of the classroom. Let her prove she can do her job “remotely.” When the classroom inevitably dissolved into chaos with the tv teacher, fire the teacher for incompetent.

Unfortunately, I don't think incompetence can actually get you fired as a teacher.

Student behavior when you are supposed to be physically in the same room will not yet you fired. A neighbor tried that when her son was hit in the eye with a paper clip while an admin called the teacher out of the room to provide some info. She wasted two years trying to get the teacher fired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fine, bring the kids in and let the remote teacher teach from a tv screen in the corner of the classroom. Let her prove she can do her job “remotely.” When the classroom inevitably dissolved into chaos with the tv teacher, fire the teacher for incompetent.

You could always hire some of those laid off waiyers or disney workers to do classroom management as a para

Yeah, those are groups you want managing large groups of children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remote teaching can be outsourced to teachers in other parts of the country.

I'm honestly surprised this was not considered.

If the teachers make themselves too "precious" next thing you know the school board can hire teachers from out of state to teach the remote classes.

Many teachers in other parts of the country work for a lot less pay.

This is one of the stupidest comments I've ever heard.

The first issue is that most of the people who refuse to go back to work are refusing to go back to in person work not remote

Second, why would a teacher working in North Carolina who is making 30k switch to teaching remote for the promise of making 32k in carroll county they know that their colleagues who are teaching in person are making 38k?

It's really not. Remote teaching could be outsourced to India! There's no reason why it has to be the same teacher in the same county.

Teachers unions might be overplaying their hands.

So you would fire all the teachers for refusing to go back to in person, replace them with teachers from India and then how do you get everyone to go back in person?

As has been discussed before, it would make for a difficult year. Any teachers that do not resign would be sent back to the classroom, and remote teachers would take over distance learning classes (since we know 30-50% of kids would stay home). It wouldn't be easy, but the districts would be better off in the long-term without the teachers that have refused to do their jobs.

But when faced with the prospect of losing their income without unemployment eligibility, I think the vast majority of teachers would return.

DP.. if you read the article, many have already quit. And if there are not enough teachers, it will be difficult to have 100% DL, too, because there will be waaay more kids per class.