Opponents to TJ Lottery - You Need Other Talking Points

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Anonymous wrote:It's the number 1 high school in the country. I think they were doing something right.

Yep. They were selecting students with standardized testing as a baseline, guaranteeing them a student body who would fare well on SATs, ACTs, and APs, which is what those rankings are based on.

Best test takers does not equal best students or even smartest kids.

Umm . . . it's a pretty direct correlation. Look at how JHCTY, Duke TIP, Davidson Gifted, etc. determine giftedness.

Oh, FFS. If taking a test well is your only hope, you are basically screwed.

Hey lot better than being awful at tests.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the number 1 high school in the country. I think they were doing something right.

Yep. They were selecting students with standardized testing as a baseline, guaranteeing them a student body who would fare well on SATs, ACTs, and APs, which is what those rankings are based on.

Best test takers does not equal best students or even smartest kids.

How many kids are in remediation now?

Remediation is projected to go up significantly in the near future.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would also add that the advocates should acknowlege that the current process has flaws. (Its no secret that 28% of the class of 2024 came from one prep company.)

Ignoring the elephant in the room will not make it go away and people will dismiss you if you do not address it.

Shut that prep company down then. Don't use it as a straw man to attack all Asians.

Nope. That would never work, because there is obviously a culture of cheating, and FCPS tax payers won't spend their tax money chasing cheaters down. The cheaters left no option but to change the school. Happy now?

So if NFL catches players taking performance enhancing drugs in the league's combine, it should just cancel the 40 yard dash and all the other tests and use a lottery to draft players? You go after cheaters when there is a cheating problem. You don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

By the tone of your post, you are not URM. You are an angry Karen whose kids can't compete on a leveling field. No amount of training can elevate your kids to a high level, so you want to drag everyone down low.

DP. I think you are missing the point. I'd replace your baby with the bath water analogy with the suggestion you are missing the forest for the trees.

Curie may be a particularly egregious example of students with an unfair advantage gaining admission to TJ, but it is symptomatic of a much larger pay-to-play culture where students whose parents can afford the big TJ feeders, subsidize their participation in the "right" activities to pad their young CVs, and enroll them in test-prep courses get a gold star while Black, Hispanic and low-income students are turned away and sent the message they are not sufficiently intelligent or deserving.

Either this culture should be changed, through a proposal like a lottery, or TJ should be shut down entirely as a magnet.

I have never heard the name Curie until I leaned it here at DCUM. If Curie and its cheating is the problem, then the solution is very simple -- you shut the company down and ban the cheaters. That's it. But many proponents of this ill-advised proposal here use that as a dog whistle to denigrate a whole race, a very diverse group with too many shades of brown to count. It's very insulting to the current TJ community. Those "cheaters" have more NMSFs than all the other FCPS schools combined. Those "cheaters" made several national STEM Olympiad teams. Those "cheaters" have 100% readiness for college. It's quite racist to insist that one racial group likes to cheat. The racists against Asians, are mostly Karens and not URMs. The Karens are taking a break yelling at blacks. Their new target is the brown folks.

Shut down the test prep companies, but don't ban the competition. Everyone welcomes it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would also add that the advocates should acknowlege that the current process has flaws. (Its no secret that 28% of the class of 2024 came from one prep company.)

Ignoring the elephant in the room will not make it go away and people will dismiss you if you do not address it.

Shut that prep company down then. Don't use it as a straw man to attack all Asians.

Nope. That would never work, because there is obviously a culture of cheating, and FCPS tax payers won't spend their tax money chasing cheaters down. The cheaters left no option but to change the school. Happy now?

So if NFL catches players taking performance enhancing drugs in the league's combine, it should just cancel the 40 yard dash and all the other tests and use a lottery to draft players? You go after cheaters when there is a cheating problem. You don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

By the tone of your post, you are not URM. You are an angry Karen whose kids can't compete on a leveling field. No amount of training can elevate your kids to a high level, so you want to drag everyone down low.

DP. I think you are missing the point. I'd replace your baby with the bath water analogy with the suggestion you are missing the forest for the trees.

Curie may be a particularly egregious example of students with an unfair advantage gaining admission to TJ, but it is symptomatic of a much larger pay-to-play culture where students whose parents can afford the big TJ feeders, subsidize their participation in the "right" activities to pad their young CVs, and enroll them in test-prep courses get a gold star while Black, Hispanic and low-income students are turned away and sent the message they are not sufficiently intelligent or deserving.

Either this culture should be changed, through a proposal like a lottery, or TJ should be shut down entirely as a magnet.

I have never heard the name Curie until I leaned it here at DCUM. If Curie and its cheating is the problem, then the solution is very simple -- you shut the company down and ban the cheaters. That's it. But many proponents of this ill-advised proposal here use that as a dog whistle to denigrate a whole race, a very diverse group with too many shades of brown to count. It's very insulting to the current TJ community. Those "cheaters" have more NMSFs than all the other FCPS schools combined. Those "cheaters" made several national STEM Olympiad teams. Those "cheaters" have 100% readiness for college. It's quite racist to insist that one racial group likes to cheat. The racists against Asians, are mostly Karens and not URMs. The Karens are taking a break yelling at blacks. Their new target is the brown folks.

Shut down the test prep companies, but don't ban the competition. Everyone welcomes it.

I agree. Karens cannot yell at blacks anymore so they moved on to Asians.