not happy I need to take dog to vet- super high risk husband at home

[Anonymous]

OP here. So far, very few people have even read and understood my post to understand my concern.

Only a few people understood my concern was NOT for MY contact with the vet, or the dog carrying covid on its body externally to then bring it home, like on a package.

I was concerned specifically about human to animal transmission which HAS been documented, and animal to human transmission, which so far has not been, but is suspected in one case of minks on the minkfarm.

Almost no one so far has actually responded to the missing information (quantitative) and mostly responded to their personal interpretation of my risk concern (qualitative and subjective).

The fact is there are many unknowns.

I am NOT WORRIED about getting covid from a person at the vets office.

But, responders stopped reading a long time ago.

PP with the high risk child- thank you for understanding.

Poster who says they know a lot of people who die, if you are a healthcare worked like you say, then thank you for your service to others. But until you have lost one of your own, and I have many times to different things, you dont get to tell other people that their priorities are off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP you need help.

In fact, it is you who needs the help.

[Anonymous]

Research scientist with virology background here.

I've been called names on these boards countless times for giving people expert opinions on the degree of Covid risk they are taking, which are misinterpreted as "too alarmist".

Here is my thinking:

1. If someone in that vet office is contagious, they will wear masks and gloves, so transmission to your dog is unlikely.

2. If your dog catches Covid-19, it is also unlikely they would easily transmit it to a member of their household - I have not heard of a case of a positive canine infecting a human, and the reverse is also quite rare. You can minimize contact with the dog for a week or two, by keeping it in a pen and touching it only when absolutely necessary. I don't recommend going to these lengths, but if your mental health is at stake, you could.
The dog will get over it.

3. Your husband has a clotting disorder. Is he currently on anticoagulants? If so, he could be protected from the immediate damaging vascular effects of Covid-19 to a certain degree. Hospitals now know to give anticoagulants to Covid patients and this has contributed to reduced mortality.

[Anonymous]

21:55 again. Sorry, I'm tired from a long week. In case I wasn't clear, the risk to your husband is very low.

In terms of canine Covid protection, I would discourage your dog from coming into contact with non-household dogs or humans, and I would be careful not to let him lick or eat poo from other animals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So far, very few people have even read and understood my post to understand my concern.

Only a few people understood my concern was NOT for MY contact with the vet, or the dog carrying covid on its body externally to then bring it home, like on a package.

I was concerned specifically about human to animal transmission which HAS been documented, and animal to human transmission, which so far has not been, but is suspected in one case of minks on the minkfarm.

Almost no one so far has actually responded to the missing information (quantitative) and mostly responded to their personal interpretation of my risk concern (qualitative and subjective).

The fact is there are many unknowns.

I am NOT WORRIED about getting covid from a person at the vets office.

But, responders stopped reading a long time ago.

PP with the high risk child- thank you for understanding.

Poster who says they know a lot of people who die, if you are a healthcare worked like you say, then thank you for your service to others. But until you have lost one of your own, and I have many times to different things, you dont get to tell other people that their priorities are off.

PP here on Covid unit. I have lost much of my own family to various diseases, except for an aunt in another state, and distant relatives in other countries. I also never said anything about your priorities; in fact, I said you were making the right decision by taking the dog in.
You seem very defensive. People are trying to help you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Research scientist with virology background here.

I've been called names on these boards countless times for giving people expert opinions on the degree of Covid risk they are taking, which are misinterpreted as "too alarmist".

Here is my thinking:

1. If someone in that vet office is contagious, they will wear masks and gloves, so transmission to your dog is unlikely.

2. If your dog catches Covid-19, it is also unlikely they would easily transmit it to a member of their household - I have not heard of a case of a positive canine infecting a human, and the reverse is also quite rare. You can minimize contact with the dog for a week or two, by keeping it in a pen and touching it only when absolutely necessary. I don't recommend going to these lengths, but if your mental health is at stake, you could.
The dog will get over it.

3. Your husband has a clotting disorder. Is he currently on anticoagulants? If so, he could be protected from the immediate damaging vascular effects of Covid-19 to a certain degree. Hospitals now know to give anticoagulants to Covid patients and this has contributed to reduced mortality.

OP here, thanks for this. I use logic and reason to deal with risk/benefit ratios all the time. The missing data (absence of evidence) is somewhat reassuring (though empirically not evidence of absence as you understand) in terms of transmission risk.

I think the fact that people are not routinely tested in this country is adding to my feeling of "missing information". We are not routinely updated on pets of course, nor are we really able to hear about the results of 14 day quarantines per se.

Having to make a determination on safety of something based on confidence in (what might be) missing information can be frustrating.

Thanks for chiming in!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
21:55 again. Sorry, I'm tired from a long week. In case I wasn't clear, the risk to your husband is very low.

In terms of canine Covid protection, I would discourage your dog from coming into contact with non-household dogs or humans, and I would be careful not to let him lick or eat poo from other animals.

OP again, n/p. Totally understood and agreed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The vet won't allow you in the office anyway. Our vet takes the dog from the car, and then calls you when they are done to discuss the diagnosis.

OP here. My vet IS allowing one or two people in at once.

Come back down to MoCo and use a vet who does curbside.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So far, very few people have even read and understood my post to understand my concern.

Only a few people understood my concern was NOT for MY contact with the vet, or the dog carrying covid on its body externally to then bring it home, like on a package.

I was concerned specifically about human to animal transmission which HAS been documented, and animal to human transmission, which so far has not been, but is suspected in one case of minks on the minkfarm.

Almost no one so far has actually responded to the missing information (quantitative) and mostly responded to their personal interpretation of my risk concern (qualitative and subjective).

The fact is there are many unknowns.

I am NOT WORRIED about getting covid from a person at the vets office.

But, responders stopped reading a long time ago.

PP with the high risk child- thank you for understanding.

Poster who says they know a lot of people who die, if you are a healthcare worked like you say, then thank you for your service to others. But until you have lost one of your own, and I have many times to different things, you dont get to tell other people that their priorities are off.

PP here on Covid unit. I have lost much of my own family to various diseases, except for an aunt in another state, and distant relatives in other countries. I also never said anything about your priorities; in fact, I said you were making the right decision by taking the dog in.
You seem very defensive. People are trying to help you.

OP here. Im sorry for all your losses. I was trying to get actual usable information, not opinions on whether or not my have a concern is an "anxiety issue". Your post was confusing because you didnt provide the context at the start for your comment. "Life has to go on" is a statement used routinely by covid deniers, and I would think you would be sensitive to that reality and those words, since you live that reality every day.

You might have said "As a healthcare professional working in a covid ward, I would recommend a 14 day quarantine for your high risk family member in any situation where you have reason to believe a person has been exposed to a covid positive person. Not being sure you were or not, thats your best option".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Research scientist with virology background here.

I've been called names on these boards countless times for giving people expert opinions on the degree of Covid risk they are taking, which are misinterpreted as "too alarmist".

Here is my thinking:

1. If someone in that vet office is contagious, they will wear masks and gloves, so transmission to your dog is unlikely.

2. If your dog catches Covid-19, it is also unlikely they would easily transmit it to a member of their household - I have not heard of a case of a positive canine infecting a human, and the reverse is also quite rare. You can minimize contact with the dog for a week or two, by keeping it in a pen and touching it only when absolutely necessary. I don't recommend going to these lengths, but if your mental health is at stake, you could.
The dog will get over it.

3. Your husband has a clotting disorder. Is he currently on anticoagulants? If so, he could be protected from the immediate damaging vascular effects of Covid-19 to a certain degree. Hospitals now know to give anticoagulants to Covid patients and this has contributed to reduced mortality.

OP here, thanks for this. I use logic and reason to deal with risk/benefit ratios all the time. The missing data (absence of evidence) is somewhat reassuring (though empirically not evidence of absence as you understand) in terms of transmission risk.

I think the fact that people are not routinely tested in this country is adding to my feeling of "missing information". We are not routinely updated on pets of course, nor are we really able to hear about the results of 14 day quarantines per se.

Having to make a determination on safety of something based on confidence in (what might be) missing information can be frustrating.

Thanks for chiming in!

You're very welcome.

I'd rather discuss viral transmission with someone analytical like you, than people who dismiss risk wholesale and refuse to assess their own actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So far, very few people have even read and understood my post to understand my concern.

Only a few people understood my concern was NOT for MY contact with the vet, or the dog carrying covid on its body externally to then bring it home, like on a package.

I was concerned specifically about human to animal transmission which HAS been documented, and animal to human transmission, which so far has not been, but is suspected in one case of minks on the minkfarm.

Almost no one so far has actually responded to the missing information (quantitative) and mostly responded to their personal interpretation of my risk concern (qualitative and subjective).

The fact is there are many unknowns.

I am NOT WORRIED about getting covid from a person at the vets office.

But, responders stopped reading a long time ago.

PP with the high risk child- thank you for understanding.

Poster who says they know a lot of people who die, if you are a healthcare worked like you say, then thank you for your service to others. But until you have lost one of your own, and I have many times to different things, you dont get to tell other people that their priorities are off.

PP here on Covid unit. I have lost much of my own family to various diseases, except for an aunt in another state, and distant relatives in other countries. I also never said anything about your priorities; in fact, I said you were making the right decision by taking the dog in.
You seem very defensive. People are trying to help you.

OP here. Im sorry for all your losses. I was trying to get actual usable information, not opinions on whether or not my have a concern is an "anxiety issue". Your post was confusing because you didnt provide the context at the start for your comment. "Life has to go on" is a statement used routinely by covid deniers, and I would think you would be sensitive to that reality and those words, since you live that reality every day.

You might have said "As a healthcare professional working in a covid ward, I would recommend a 14 day quarantine for your high risk family member in any situation where you have reason to believe a person has been exposed to a covid positive person. Not being sure you were or not, thats your best option".

I don't know any Covid deniers, and I don't know how they talk/ what they say. I don't have time for them. I said what I said because it's true- your life, and your dog's life and medical needs, continues. I also didn't say you had/ have an anxiety issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you need help.

In fact, it is you who needs the help.

I agree with the PP, the OP does need help.

[Anonymous]

I wish everyone who is quarantining themselves 100% understood that they come from a place of extreme privilege. They happily pay for food delivery and grocery delivery and —what, do you assume none of those people working in the grocery stores or delivering your food live in houses with people with medical issues? All those people that work in factories that make the food and cleaning supplies that gets delivered tidily to your door step....also at risk and live with people at risk. But they don’t have the choice you have to make the decisions you do. So when people are irritated with your irrational worry that your DOG might get infected with Covid and bring it back to you and your Dh...yes we sometimes go off topic and bristle at the question because we or our loved ones have to work EVERY DAY putting ourselves at risk for YOU, the privileged one who gets to worry about infinitesimal likelihoods. So if you’re going to ask questions on a board like this (DCuM is not for the faint of heart), I suggest you don’t get so defensive if you don’t like the answers.

And to answer your actual question—statistically it’s practically impossible for your feared situation to occur. Take that poor dog to fix his abcess.

[Anonymous]

The reason why people keep misunderstanding hour worry is because your actual concern is so far-fetched. That in itself should inform you as to the likelihood of occurrence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish everyone who is quarantining themselves 100% understood that they come from a place of extreme privilege. They happily pay for food delivery and grocery delivery and —what, do you assume none of those people working in the grocery stores or delivering your food live in houses with people with medical issues? All those people that work in factories that make the food and cleaning supplies that gets delivered tidily to your door step....also at risk and live with people at risk. But they don’t have the choice you have to make the decisions you do. So when people are irritated with your irrational worry that your DOG might get infected with Covid and bring it back to you and your Dh...yes we sometimes go off topic and bristle at the question because we or our loved ones have to work EVERY DAY putting ourselves at risk for YOU, the privileged one who gets to worry about infinitesimal likelihoods. So if you’re going to ask questions on a board like this (DCuM is not for the faint of heart), I suggest you don’t get so defensive if you don’t like the answers.

And to answer your actual question—statistically it’s practically impossible for your feared situation to occur. Take that poor dog to fix his abcess.

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