Adopting kids in DMV area, we have G4 visas

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't a G4 visa a nonimmigrant visa given to people working at an international organization? How could you foster or adopt if you have no security in staying in the country?

She probably cannot foster but adopt? Come on. Americans adopt kids from other countries all the time. Why not adopt an American child and move him elsewhere? He or she will retain their citizenship regardless.

This sounds inaccurate. Once the adoption is final, the child will have the citizenship of his/her parents. I’ve known many people who adopted from abroad — the Chinese baby became American like her parents, same for the Nigerian and Guatemalan babies. I have never heard of an adopted child being able to keep her citizenship of birth after an overseas adoption is completed. It would be very surprising if American adoptees were allowed to do so. The whole situation sounds bizarre.

It doesn't really matter what it sounds like to you. The baby may obtain the citizenship of their adopted parents but all that baby has to do after 18 is walk into a U.S. Embassy anywhere on the planet and produce a birth certificate proving they were born inside the U.S. Whatever happened to them after they climbed out of someone's vagina in the U.S. is irrelevant. If born here, they are a citizen.

What are you talking about? Parents would have to apply for citizenship in their country for their child. Then, kid either gets dual citizenship, citizenship till 18 and has to choose a country or when they apply for new citizenship give up the US. It really depends on the country.

That wasn't the question. The question was whether an American-born baby adopted by foreign parents will retain his or her American citizenship. The answer is unquestionably, unreservedly yes. He or she will. As long as he or she can produce a birth certificate proving that the baby was born in the U.S., an American passport will be issued to them in any U.S. embassy on earth. Nothing except a fact of adult renunciation will rid this baby of his or her U.S. citizenship. It doesn't matter what the parents do. It doesn't matter what their new country does or does not do. If a baby is born in the U.S., that baby is entitled to the U.S. passport, end of story.

This isn't exactly true. It depends on the state the parents are from and if the parents get citizenship in that country and the rules between the US and that country. The baby will be a US citizen but if they return home and get the child citizenship in another country some don't allow dual citizenship. They'd need to talk to an attorney.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't a G4 visa a nonimmigrant visa given to people working at an international organization? How could you foster or adopt if you have no security in staying in the country?

She probably cannot foster but adopt? Come on. Americans adopt kids from other countries all the time. Why not adopt an American child and move him elsewhere? He or she will retain their citizenship regardless.

This sounds inaccurate. Once the adoption is final, the child will have the citizenship of his/her parents. I’ve known many people who adopted from abroad — the Chinese baby became American like her parents, same for the Nigerian and Guatemalan babies. I have never heard of an adopted child being able to keep her citizenship of birth after an overseas adoption is completed. It would be very surprising if American adoptees were allowed to do so. The whole situation sounds bizarre.

It doesn't really matter what it sounds like to you. The baby may obtain the citizenship of their adopted parents but all that baby has to do after 18 is walk into a U.S. Embassy anywhere on the planet and produce a birth certificate proving they were born inside the U.S. Whatever happened to them after they climbed out of someone's vagina in the U.S. is irrelevant. If born here, they are a citizen.

What are you talking about? Parents would have to apply for citizenship in their country for their child. Then, kid either gets dual citizenship, citizenship till 18 and has to choose a country or when they apply for new citizenship give up the US. It really depends on the country.

That wasn't the question. The question was whether an American-born baby adopted by foreign parents will retain his or her American citizenship. The answer is unquestionably, unreservedly yes. He or she will. As long as he or she can produce a birth certificate proving that the baby was born in the U.S., an American passport will be issued to them in any U.S. embassy on earth. Nothing except a fact of adult renunciation will rid this baby of his or her U.S. citizenship. It doesn't matter what the parents do. It doesn't matter what their new country does or does not do. If a baby is born in the U.S., that baby is entitled to the U.S. passport, end of story.

This isn't exactly true. It depends on the state the parents are from and if the parents get citizenship in that country and the rules between the US and that country. The baby will be a US citizen but if they return home and get the child citizenship in another country some don't allow dual citizenship. They'd need to talk to an attorney.

When the child is legally adopted, the child gets a new birth certificate and new passport with the adoptive parents name. The parents have to apply for citizenship in their country and also may have to do a readoption there like you have to do here.

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When the child is legally adopted, the child gets a new birth certificate and new passport with the adoptive parents name. The parents have to apply for citizenship in their country and also may have to do a readoption there like you have to do here.

I see. And what would the new birth certificate and passport say in the field of "place of birth"? Still air? The galaxy far far away? The new birth certificate concerns the name. Not the place of birth.

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This isn't exactly true. It depends on the state the parents are from and if the parents get citizenship in that country and the rules between the US and that country. The baby will be a US citizen but if they return home and get the child citizenship in another country some don't allow dual citizenship. They'd need to talk to an attorney.

No, this is exactly true.

U.S. citizenship is a relationship between the U.S. and a person born within its boundaries. It is not affected by any other citizenship claims, or any dual citizenship (which I see some of you confuse with multiple citizenships). U.S. citizenship is not renounceable by parents on behalf of a minor; if paperwork exists to that effect, the U.S. will not recognize it, and all that child will have to do when they reach 18 is contact a U.S. embassy anywhere in the world with proof of birth within the U.S., and they will be issued a U.S. passport. The only thing that nullifies a U.S. citizenship is an act of renunciation, which can only be done by an adult person on their own behalf.

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I highly doubt the prospective adoptive parents care this much about whether their child can retain US citizenship.

OP, be careful t comply with the laws of your home country so your adopted child can easily travel there with you.

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The issue is that if the adoptive parents, who are non-U.S. citizens, need to return to their native country, how does that country view the child's citizenship status? Agencies want to prevent a child from being separated from his parents in these situations. Therefore, some agencies do not allow non-U.S. citizens to adopt domestically and others require official certification from the parents' native country that the child is eligible for citizenship.

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OP here. Thanks everyone! We’ll definitely talk to a lawyer since all the legal part is very unclear. I’ll ask at work also if someone knows someone with our visa that had adopted here in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember watching a program (60 minutes? )? where a couple from Germany adopted 2 healthy black children as babies from the US. Less stigma and prejudice in Germany than in the US.

For some reason, white people in the US do not want healthy adoptable black babies. Some even call themselves liberals.

What? Where are all of these healthy adoptable black babies? I don't think you know what you're talking about.

First, the birth mother picks the parents. I'm 100% certain a birth mother would have plenty of potential adoptive parents to choose from, white or black, for a healthy baby. Second, are you talking about babies in foster care? Again, babies are the easiest to place. Babies USUALLY go to family members. Otherwise, foster parents are quite willing to take in a healthy baby over an older child any day.

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Anonymous wrote:The issue is that if the adoptive parents, who are non-U.S. citizens, need to return to their native country, how does that country view the child's citizenship status? Agencies want to prevent a child from being separated from his parents in these situations. Therefore, some agencies do not allow non-U.S. citizens to adopt domestically and others require official certification from the parents' native country that the child is eligible for citizenship.

I know its been done but its much harder to do. Their best bet is to straight out adopt and go thorough an agency or attorney who has done it before. If a birth parent consents to the adoption and agrees it should not be a big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember watching a program (60 minutes? )? where a couple from Germany adopted 2 healthy black children as babies from the US. Less stigma and prejudice in Germany than in the US.

For some reason, white people in the US do not want healthy adoptable black babies. Some even call themselves liberals.

What? Where are all of these healthy adoptable black babies? I don't think you know what you're talking about.

First, the birth mother picks the parents. I'm 100% certain a birth mother would have plenty of potential adoptive parents to choose from, white or black, for a healthy baby. Second, are you talking about babies in foster care? Again, babies are the easiest to place. Babies USUALLY go to family members. Otherwise, foster parents are quite willing to take in a healthy baby over an older child any day.

Race is no longer as much of a factor as it used to be. Many white families have no issue taking a child of a different race nor do other races. However, the adoption numbers have been way down over the years and adoption is very hard. People who would go internationally cannot do so as easily anymore and they have turned to domestic. Any infant placed is generally a foster to adopt and there are some but not many and usually they go to foster parents who have been waiting or willing to foster and only adopt if it comes to that.

For kids sake, it is easiest for them to be placed in the same race/culture but obviously that is not possible or not always want the birth parents want or if its foster care kids go to the first available home or other factors and birthparents generally get no say.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thanks everyone! We’ll definitely talk to a lawyer since all the legal part is very unclear. I’ll ask at work also if someone knows someone with our visa that had adopted here in the US.

Does your home country allow adoptions? I know families, including Americans who have ties to a county, have a much easier chance adopting from those countries so that could be an option too.

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I work for an adoption agency that does both international and domestic adoptions (most agencies now do both). Most Caucasian clients are fine adopting a biracial (AA/Caucasian) baby/child or biracial Caucasian/ Hispanic baby/child, but not a full AA baby/child. We tell them they can wait 4-10 years (or never as they age out) for a biracial or white baby, or 1-2 years for a full AA baby. The vast majority choose to wait. Sad.

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Anonymous wrote:I work for an adoption agency that does both international and domestic adoptions (most agencies now do both). Most Caucasian clients are fine adopting a biracial (AA/Caucasian) baby/child or biracial Caucasian/ Hispanic baby/child, but not a full AA baby/child. We tell them they can wait 4-10 years (or never as they age out) for a biracial or white baby, or 1-2 years for a full AA baby. The vast majority choose to wait. Sad.

How about you take the time to recruit more AA families?

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AA's have babies absent marriage at a rate of 70% of all AA babies born. It only makes sense there are more AA babies for adoption.

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Anonymous wrote:AA's have babies absent marriage at a rate of 70% of all AA babies born. It only makes sense there are more AA babies for adoption.

Birth parents can be married.