Pride Lacrosse Rumors

[Anonymous]

Or maybe have the club stop working young girls so much like it is a pro league. Lacrosse should be fun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or maybe have the club stop working young girls so much like it is a pro league. Lacrosse should be fun.

I think that falls under bringing it up to the coach. Let us know how she responds.

[Anonymous]

I’d like to know how often they are practicing and for how long. And under what kind of supervision.

Overuse injuries can often be the result of poor form/technique coupled with repetition.

Unless you tell me they are training 3+ hours per day, 6 days per week, I’m not buying overuse.

[Anonymous]

My DD really loves lax but have had similar issues at Pride. The indoor turf workouts have really amped up and my girl felt it as well. I have been told by my doctor knees are especially vulnerable for girls. So far no injuries but understand your concern and I agree we are practicing more starting to feel like a job. Hope you don't quit like someone suggested that would be a shame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD really loves lax but have had similar issues at Pride. The indoor turf workouts have really amped up and my girl felt it as well. I have been told by my doctor knees are especially vulnerable for girls. So far no injuries but understand your concern and I agree we are practicing more starting to feel like a job. Hope you don't quit like someone suggested that would be a shame.

How often and for how long are these indoor workouts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My DD really loves lax but have had similar issues at Pride. The indoor turf workouts have really amped up and my girl felt it as well. I have been told by my doctor knees are especially vulnerable for girls. So far no injuries but understand your concern and I agree we are practicing more starting to feel like a job. Hope you don't quit like someone suggested that would be a shame.

Fake new. Again.

[Anonymous]

Fake club. Again.

[Anonymous]

Maybe the individual who started this thread is not aware several clubs train at the same facility with the same trainers, so if these overuse injuries are popping up one can assume the other clubs are experiencing the same number of overuse injuries. This would not be isolated to one club. Secondly, about 1 in 5 young athletes experience knee pain for various reasons, many times associated with their growth. It's just going to happen.

No club can cater their training to one individual. They are serving a team. Therefore, if a player is experiencing pain it is up to that individual player and their parents to acknowledge this, inform the trainer/coach, and take corrective action -- ICE & REST. I've had two DDs play for separate top lacrosse club teams. Both developed knee issues. Had nothing to do with either club. The good news both acknowledged and informed us of this pain when it started and with a little rest were back to training quickly.

[Anonymous]

This is really taking a ridiculous turn. The Pride teams practice ONE day a week indoors. And only half of it is lacrosse, and the other half is strengthening. If that is too much for your daughter, then you really have to question if this is right for her.
Now, with that said, I don't have any doubt that the turf at St James with the concrete below it, is bad for the girls bodies. I am sure that it is not great.
Every young kid playing a lot of sports will complain at some point about knee or ankle pain. It's your job as a parent at that point to get the child checked or just allow them to rest for a while. Usually, it is pretty easily cured.
It has nothing to do with what team your daughter is on. Come on now.

[Anonymous]

I dont think this is actually an attack on Pride itself but on the level of commitment of any elite team. I think it’s a certain type of DC area parent who doesn’t like her kid having a serious, intense commitment that the parent has to commit to also. This is the typical excuse those kinds of parents make. It’s just too hard on their kid - when really it’s just too hard on them.

I have older kids who have been on many teams in several sports in the DC area over the years and on many schools teams ( they’ve always been in private and have been on school sports teams since 5th grade). There is a large percentage of parents here who don’t think they should have to take a sports team seriously and actually get their kid to all practices and games. It’s the kind of parent who lets their kid skip a game for a birthday party, not caring if it leaves none or just 1 or 2 subs for a lacrosse or soccer game. Or who buys tickets for their family to go to an event without checking the team schedule first. Or plans a trip that overlaps with sports practices or games. Or goes out of town themselves and let’s little Janie stay with her bestie who doesn’t play on that team so it would just be too much to ask them to get Janie to her game. These parents don’t care if their kid’s absence screws it for the rest of the team in fact they probably don’t even think about it. It's almost impossible to have a dc area team without a few of these kinds of parents. Super spoiled entitled jack holes who don’t think rules apply to them or their child or just don’t care. They can easy destroy the morale and camaraderie on a kids team.

I know what the commitment is of Pride players at each age and it’s very similar to every other elite or travel team, nothing egregious or over the top. The problem here is the parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I dont think this is actually an attack on Pride itself but on the level of commitment of any elite team. I think it’s a certain type of DC area parent who doesn’t like her kid having a serious, intense commitment that the parent has to commit to also. This is the typical excuse those kinds of parents make. It’s just too hard on their kid - when really it’s just too hard on them.

I have older kids who have been on many teams in several sports in the DC area over the years and on many schools teams ( they’ve always been in private and have been on school sports teams since 5th grade). There is a large percentage of parents here who don’t think they should have to take a sports team seriously and actually get their kid to all practices and games. It’s the kind of parent who lets their kid skip a game for a birthday party, not caring if it leaves none or just 1 or 2 subs for a lacrosse or soccer game. Or who buys tickets for their family to go to an event without checking the team schedule first. Or plans a trip that overlaps with sports practices or games. Or goes out of town themselves and let’s little Janie stay with her bestie who doesn’t play on that team so it would just be too much to ask them to get Janie to her game. These parents don’t care if their kid’s absence screws it for the rest of the team in fact they probably don’t even think about it. It's almost impossible to have a dc area team without a few of these kinds of parents. Super spoiled entitled jack holes who don’t think rules apply to them or their child or just don’t care. They can easy destroy the morale and camaraderie on a kids team.

I know what the commitment is of Pride players at each age and it’s very similar to every other elite or travel team, nothing egregious or over the top. The problem here is the parent.

Wow...Well I think I raised a serious issue related to my DD experience at Pride. What started as a fun spring program has turned into a neurotic year round quest to practice and try to beat the best teams in the area. I don't think the program is focused on developing the player its clearly driving towards program success first and foremost. I believe the culture of win at all cost attitude and push every kid to the max is a toxic environment. Every kid develops at different time the best Coaches and programs see talent and develop it. I think the Pride program has a formula that pushes physical conditioning first and grit over developing real talent. You will miss talented kids doing it this way and drive many more injuries. I was a child athlete and have seen it done both ways. The competition to compete with the best clubs and win has driven many girls to injury and that is backed by what I have seen with my own two eyes. Its what I have seen on my team and others. The goal here is to play in college and peak when your a Junior not push kids to injury and a breaking point in the 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th grade when there bodies are still growing. I think understanding balance and recognizing its a long game would benefit the club. Its not like demand is an issue and you need to win to fill rosters so the focus should be on long term development not the current winner take all approach.

Maybe a change of scenery to another club is the right move for us because the previous poster has captured exactly what I don't like about Pride right now. Parent driven lust for victory so they can brag at cocktail parties and a Coach who wants to prove something to the world is not a well balanced approach to life. Withe regard to my parenting ability or lack there of in your opinion. I would much rather be a parent that enjoys the full experiences of life with my daughter such as attending Birthday Party's and family events. It seems much healthier than a crazed parent living through my kids athletic success for validation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dont think this is actually an attack on Pride itself but on the level of commitment of any elite team. I think it’s a certain type of DC area parent who doesn’t like her kid having a serious, intense commitment that the parent has to commit to also. This is the typical excuse those kinds of parents make. It’s just too hard on their kid - when really it’s just too hard on them.

I have older kids who have been on many teams in several sports in the DC area over the years and on many schools teams ( they’ve always been in private and have been on school sports teams since 5th grade). There is a large percentage of parents here who don’t think they should have to take a sports team seriously and actually get their kid to all practices and games. It’s the kind of parent who lets their kid skip a game for a birthday party, not caring if it leaves none or just 1 or 2 subs for a lacrosse or soccer game. Or who buys tickets for their family to go to an event without checking the team schedule first. Or plans a trip that overlaps with sports practices or games. Or goes out of town themselves and let’s little Janie stay with her bestie who doesn’t play on that team so it would just be too much to ask them to get Janie to her game. These parents don’t care if their kid’s absence screws it for the rest of the team in fact they probably don’t even think about it. It's almost impossible to have a dc area team without a few of these kinds of parents. Super spoiled entitled jack holes who don’t think rules apply to them or their child or just don’t care. They can easy destroy the morale and camaraderie on a kids team.

I know what the commitment is of Pride players at each age and it’s very similar to every other elite or travel team, nothing egregious or over the top. The problem here is the parent.

Wow...Well I think I raised a serious issue related to my DD experience at Pride. What started as a fun spring program has turned into a neurotic year round quest to practice and try to beat the best teams in the area. I don't think the program is focused on developing the player its clearly driving towards program success first and foremost. I believe the culture of win at all cost attitude and push every kid to the max is a toxic environment. Every kid develops at different time the best Coaches and programs see talent and develop it. I think the Pride program has a formula that pushes physical conditioning first and grit over developing real talent. You will miss talented kids doing it this way and drive many more injuries. I was a child athlete and have seen it done both ways. The competition to compete with the best clubs and win has driven many girls to injury and that is backed by what I have seen with my own two eyes. Its what I have seen on my team and others. The goal here is to play in college and peak when your a Junior not push kids to injury and a breaking point in the 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th grade when there bodies are still growing. I think understanding balance and recognizing its a long game would benefit the club. Its not like demand is an issue and you need to win to fill rosters so the focus should be on long term development not the current winner take all approach.

Maybe a change of scenery to another club is the right move for us because the previous poster has captured exactly what I don't like about Pride right now. Parent driven lust for victory so they can brag at cocktail parties and a Coach who wants to prove something to the world is not a well balanced approach to life. Withe regard to my parenting ability or lack there of in your opinion. I would much rather be a parent that enjoys the full experiences of life with my daughter such as attending Birthday Party's and family events. It seems much healthier than a crazed parent living through my kids athletic success for validation.

The parent who is willing to support their kids playing elite or travel sports are not "a crazed parent living thru their kid's success" they are adults who understand what a real committment looks like and understand joining a TEAM means putting others before yourself. The crazed sport parent certainly exists, especially in our area, but that is not what we are talking about here. Its perfectly fine if you want your kid to go to every birthday party and family event but its not fair to a team, which consists of many more people than just you and your kid, to miss practices and games because other things are more important to you. This is what rec sports are for frankly, although even then its not really fair to the rest of the team. Travel and elite sports (like Pride) are for kids/people who wanted to work hard, improve, and who (gasp!) want to win. Winning is part of any sport and you only get better by practing and playing hard. Anything one wants to be great at takes time and effort and committment. Committment is not an ugly word and it actually teaches kids important life rules. Being committed to your kid's sport doesnt mean yelling and screaming on the sideline or berating them if they don't score a goal or lose a game. It means getting them to team events on time and putting the team before yourself and supporting the team and your kid. Being committed means showing up every time, even if you are injured you go and cheer your teammates on from the sideline at practices and games. It takes time and dedication and yes, hard work even for middle schoolers. From your comments its clear this isnt the kind of thing you want for your kid

When you sign your kid up for a team like Pride (or Stars, or MSI travel, or AAU, etc...), its clear it is a year-round team and they tell you up front how often and what type of practices and training they have. If you don't like it, don't do it because its not fair to the other members of the team who are dedicated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dont think this is actually an attack on Pride itself but on the level of commitment of any elite team. I think it’s a certain type of DC area parent who doesn’t like her kid having a serious, intense commitment that the parent has to commit to also. This is the typical excuse those kinds of parents make. It’s just too hard on their kid - when really it’s just too hard on them.

I have older kids who have been on many teams in several sports in the DC area over the years and on many schools teams ( they’ve always been in private and have been on school sports teams since 5th grade). There is a large percentage of parents here who don’t think they should have to take a sports team seriously and actually get their kid to all practices and games. It’s the kind of parent who lets their kid skip a game for a birthday party, not caring if it leaves none or just 1 or 2 subs for a lacrosse or soccer game. Or who buys tickets for their family to go to an event without checking the team schedule first. Or plans a trip that overlaps with sports practices or games. Or goes out of town themselves and let’s little Janie stay with her bestie who doesn’t play on that team so it would just be too much to ask them to get Janie to her game. These parents don’t care if their kid’s absence screws it for the rest of the team in fact they probably don’t even think about it. It's almost impossible to have a dc area team without a few of these kinds of parents. Super spoiled entitled jack holes who don’t think rules apply to them or their child or just don’t care. They can easy destroy the morale and camaraderie on a kids team.

I know what the commitment is of Pride players at each age and it’s very similar to every other elite or travel team, nothing egregious or over the top. The problem here is the parent.

Wow...Well I think I raised a serious issue related to my DD experience at Pride. What started as a fun spring program has turned into a neurotic year round quest to practice and try to beat the best teams in the area. I don't think the program is focused on developing the player its clearly driving towards program success first and foremost. I believe the culture of win at all cost attitude and push every kid to the max is a toxic environment. Every kid develops at different time the best Coaches and programs see talent and develop it. I think the Pride program has a formula that pushes physical conditioning first and grit over developing real talent. You will miss talented kids doing it this way and drive many more injuries. I was a child athlete and have seen it done both ways. The competition to compete with the best clubs and win has driven many girls to injury and that is backed by what I have seen with my own two eyes. Its what I have seen on my team and others. The goal here is to play in college and peak when your a Junior not push kids to injury and a breaking point in the 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th grade when there bodies are still growing. I think understanding balance and recognizing its a long game would benefit the club. Its not like demand is an issue and you need to win to fill rosters so the focus should be on long term development not the current winner take all approach.

Maybe a change of scenery to another club is the right move for us because the previous poster has captured exactly what I don't like about Pride right now. Parent driven lust for victory so they can brag at cocktail parties and a Coach who wants to prove something to the world is not a well balanced approach to life. Withe regard to my parenting ability or lack there of in your opinion. I would much rather be a parent that enjoys the full experiences of life with my daughter such as attending Birthday Party's and family events. It seems much healthier than a crazed parent living through my kids athletic success for validation.

The parent who is willing to support their kids playing elite or travel sports are not "a crazed parent living thru their kid's success" they are adults who understand what a real committment looks like and understand joining a TEAM means putting others before yourself. The crazed sport parent certainly exists, especially in our area, but that is not what we are talking about here. Its perfectly fine if you want your kid to go to every birthday party and family event but its not fair to a team, which consists of many more people than just you and your kid, to miss practices and games because other things are more important to you. This is what rec sports are for frankly, although even then its not really fair to the rest of the team. Travel and elite sports (like Pride) are for kids/people who wanted to work hard, improve, and who (gasp!) want to win. Winning is part of any sport and you only get better by practing and playing hard. Anything one wants to be great at takes time and effort and committment. Committment is not an ugly word and it actually teaches kids important life rules. Being committed to your kid's sport doesnt mean yelling and screaming on the sideline or berating them if they don't score a goal or lose a game. It means getting them to team events on time and putting the team before yourself and supporting the team and your kid. Being committed means showing up every time, even if you are injured you go and cheer your teammates on from the sideline at practices and games. It takes time and dedication and yes, hard work even for middle schoolers. From your comments its clear this isnt the kind of thing you want for your kid

When you sign your kid up for a team like Pride (or Stars, or MSI travel, or AAU, etc...), its clear it is a year-round team and they tell you up front how often and what type of practices and training they have. If you don't like it, don't do it because its not fair to the other members of the team who are dedicated.

You are way overinvested.

[Anonymous]

I'm just not sure what the original poster who believes club lacrosse is too much for their DD is expecting from club lacrosse. These programs are designed to provide an avenue for entry-level to the highest-skilled players the opportunity to develop their stick skills, improve their speed & agility, increase game IQ and to simply play the game of lacrosse. The higher the level the more intense and the bigger the commitment required by the players and parents. Find the level that best fits you and your DD and leave it at that. Don't make this about clubs and judging what others feel is the right fit for them.