What is Presidential Scholar”? What’s difference between NMSF and Presidential Scholar?

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Looked through a bit:
STA has 8
Wilson has 7
Sidwell has 13
Walls has a bunch

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Anonymous wrote:The DC graduating class of 2018 (last dataset available) had 8 students with a composite 36. That would include 35/6/6/6, 35/5/6/6, 34/6/6/6, etc.

Very few DC students have a perfect 36/36/36/36.

Hey my kid did but not in dc

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Does anyone know the cutoff for Virginia?

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Anonymous wrote:There is one male and one female Presidential Scholar from each state, plus some others selected for arts/technical. There is no scholarship, just a trip to DC (& photo op with the president).

For candidates, there are 20+ boys and 20+ girls from each state based upon highest SAT and ACT scores. In CA, this probably means 1600 SAT or 36+36+36 ACT. In DC, I believe a 1540/35 qualified last year.

Nearly all of the DC resident NMSFs (~15) qualified as PS candidates, so it is harder to be a NMSF in DC than a PS candidate, but if you become semifinalist (~6) or Scholar (2) that is impressive (especially in CA).

It is equally impressive in every state.

No. #1 out of 400,000 (CA) > #1 out of 5,000 (DC)

A 1600 in CA is the same as a 1600 in DC.
It's just based on test scores. There is no resume at this candidate level.

Correct, but every candidate in CA had a 1600, but only a couple of the 66 in DC did. DC probably went down to 1540 SAT (maybe lower).

Do you know that for a fact? If not, stfu.

Not sure the poster about higher score in CA knows what they are talking about. My DC is in the district and was invited to apply. Scored a 36 on the ACT. The other kids from the same school also either had a 36 on the ACT or 1600 on the SAT.

You can call the people that run the program. Last year they confirmed 1540 as the qualifying score in DC (106 ACT). Also, not all 36's are equal. PS does not use composite, they use sum of 3 components (excluding Science). In CA, that would be 36+36+36=108.

If you think 66 residents in DC scored 1600 or 36+36+36 (when only 15 were NMSF) then you are not very good at math.

Of course 66 kids didn't have perfect SATs. Not all candidates are in the high SAT category. Some are arts, some are trades, and some are nominated without regard to scores, arts, or trade -- even in CA.

The general category has three paths to nomination. Note the word "or": "score exceptionally well on either the SAT of the College Board or the ACT of the American College Testing Program, based on tests taken during the two-year window that begins in September, 2017 and runs through October, 2019, (for the recognition cycle concluding in June, 2020), nominated by their Chief State School Officer (CSSO) or nominated by one of our partner recognition organizations based on outstanding scholarship."

In DC, we are very aware of this because one year, on her way out of office, a particular CSSO nominated a bunch of kids from a charter school she founded. It was the only year anyone from that school ever got a nomination. Kudos to them, but not all of the kids on that list, not even the all kids from CA, had high SAT scores.

The Arts and Career/Technical candidates are identified with asterisks on the candidates list (as was the case with the E.L Haynes students you are referring to from 2018). DC has no students identified with asterisks this year. There are at least 20+20+ties that come exclusively from the SAT/ACT scores.

Arts gets *, Career/tech gets **. However the unstared category has three pathways, one of which is "nominated by their Chief State School Officer (CSSO)." Another is "nominated by one of our partner recognition organizations based on outstanding scholarship." So, while 20 + 20 + ties are from test scores, not all of the kids without stars are on the list exclusively due to test scores.

(and not all the EL Haynes kids had stars, only 2/8 did: https://www2.ed.gov/programs/psp/2018/candidates.pdf.)

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Anonymous wrote:There is one male and one female Presidential Scholar from each state, plus some others selected for arts/technical. There is no scholarship, just a trip to DC (& photo op with the president).

For candidates, there are 20+ boys and 20+ girls from each state based upon highest SAT and ACT scores. In CA, this probably means 1600 SAT or 36+36+36 ACT. In DC, I believe a 1540/35 qualified last year.

Nearly all of the DC resident NMSFs (~15) qualified as PS candidates, so it is harder to be a NMSF in DC than a PS candidate, but if you become semifinalist (~6) or Scholar (2) that is impressive (especially in CA).

It is equally impressive in every state.

No. #1 out of 400,000 (CA) > #1 out of 5,000 (DC)

A 1600 in CA is the same as a 1600 in DC.
It's just based on test scores. There is no resume at this candidate level.

Correct, but every candidate in CA had a 1600, but only a couple of the 66 in DC did. DC probably went down to 1540 SAT (maybe lower).

Do you know that for a fact? If not, stfu.

Not sure the poster about higher score in CA knows what they are talking about. My DC is in the district and was invited to apply. Scored a 36 on the ACT. The other kids from the same school also either had a 36 on the ACT or 1600 on the SAT.

You can call the people that run the program. Last year they confirmed 1540 as the qualifying score in DC (106 ACT). Also, not all 36's are equal. PS does not use composite, they use sum of 3 components (excluding Science). In CA, that would be 36+36+36=108.

If you think 66 residents in DC scored 1600 or 36+36+36 (when only 15 were NMSF) then you are not very good at math.

Of course 66 kids didn't have perfect SATs. Not all candidates are in the high SAT category. Some are arts, some are trades, and some are nominated without regard to scores, arts, or trade -- even in CA.

The general category has three paths to nomination. Note the word "or": "score exceptionally well on either the SAT of the College Board or the ACT of the American College Testing Program, based on tests taken during the two-year window that begins in September, 2017 and runs through October, 2019, (for the recognition cycle concluding in June, 2020), nominated by their Chief State School Officer (CSSO) or nominated by one of our partner recognition organizations based on outstanding scholarship."

In DC, we are very aware of this because one year, on her way out of office, a particular CSSO nominated a bunch of kids from a charter school she founded. It was the only year anyone from that school ever got a nomination. Kudos to them, but not all of the kids on that list, not even the all kids from CA, had high SAT scores.

The Arts and Career/Technical candidates are identified with asterisks on the candidates list (as was the case with the E.L Haynes students you are referring to from 2018). DC has no students identified with asterisks this year. There are at least 20+20+ties that come exclusively from the SAT/ACT scores.

Arts gets *, Career/tech gets **. However the unstared category has three pathways, one of which is "nominated by their Chief State School Officer (CSSO)." Another is "nominated by one of our partner recognition organizations based on outstanding scholarship." So, while 20 + 20 + ties are from test scores, not all of the kids without stars are on the list exclusively due to test scores.

(and not all the EL Haynes kids had stars, only 2/8 did: https://www2.ed.gov/programs/psp/2018/candidates.pdf.)

I don't see anyone on the list that appears to be via the non-score entry (like the E.L Haynes or other tech school cases of 2018). I can't imagine the CSSO nominating Sidwell/StA/NCS/GDS students or the out-of-staters. Nearly all the Wilson kids were NM Commended and very bright (some going to Ivies).

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^^ The comment wasn't about the current DC kids, it was a response to the CA poster claiming that every CA kids on the list has a 1600.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ The comment wasn't about the current DC kids, it was a response to the CA poster claiming that every CA kids on the list has a 1600.

Parent of DC candidate. CA has 269 candidates in 2020. If DC has a few perfect scores, then CA (with 50 times the number of students) has a couple hundred. The CA score qualifier is 1600 (as is TX and other states). DC was 1540 last year and based upon the number of 2020 DC candidates it could be lower this year.

DC had ~15 NMSF (as residents) which is equivalent to ~1550 SAT (99+%). It does not make sense to think that 3x as many students suddenly got 1600 (or even 1590/1580).

There is a multi-year thread on CC that discusses the qualifying scores of various states.