What is Presidential Scholar”? What’s difference between NMSF and Presidential Scholar?

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Anonymous wrote:There is one male and one female Presidential Scholar from each state, plus some others selected for arts/technical. There is no scholarship, just a trip to DC (& photo op with the president).

For candidates, there are 20+ boys and 20+ girls from each state based upon highest SAT and ACT scores. In CA, this probably means 1600 SAT or 36+36+36 ACT. In DC, I believe a 1540/35 qualified last year.

Nearly all of the DC resident NMSFs (~15) qualified as PS candidates, so it is harder to be a NMSF in DC than a PS candidate, but if you become semifinalist (~6) or Scholar (2) that is impressive (especially in CA).

It is equally impressive in every state.

No. #1 out of 400,000 (CA) > #1 out of 5,000 (DC)

A 1600 in CA is the same as a 1600 in DC.
It's just based on test scores. There is no resume at this candidate level.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is one male and one female Presidential Scholar from each state, plus some others selected for arts/technical. There is no scholarship, just a trip to DC (& photo op with the president).

For candidates, there are 20+ boys and 20+ girls from each state based upon highest SAT and ACT scores. In CA, this probably means 1600 SAT or 36+36+36 ACT. In DC, I believe a 1540/35 qualified last year.

Nearly all of the DC resident NMSFs (~15) qualified as PS candidates, so it is harder to be a NMSF in DC than a PS candidate, but if you become semifinalist (~6) or Scholar (2) that is impressive (especially in CA).

It is equally impressive in every state.

No. #1 out of 400,000 (CA) > #1 out of 5,000 (DC)

So the kid with the perfect scores and resume in CA is more impressive than the kid with the perfect scores and resume in TX, FL, DE?

Probably, since they had to compete against 100's of other kids with perfect scores and resumes. There is no guarantee that anyone from DE/WV/XYZ even got a perfect score, but that is the minimum required in CA to become a candidate.

It's like saying being #1 at TJ is no more impressive than being valedictorian at any other school in the country.

No. When you look at the final list, you won't be able to force rank them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is one male and one female Presidential Scholar from each state, plus some others selected for arts/technical. There is no scholarship, just a trip to DC (& photo op with the president).

For candidates, there are 20+ boys and 20+ girls from each state based upon highest SAT and ACT scores. In CA, this probably means 1600 SAT or 36+36+36 ACT. In DC, I believe a 1540/35 qualified last year.

Nearly all of the DC resident NMSFs (~15) qualified as PS candidates, so it is harder to be a NMSF in DC than a PS candidate, but if you become semifinalist (~6) or Scholar (2) that is impressive (especially in CA).

It is equally impressive in every state.

No. #1 out of 400,000 (CA) > #1 out of 5,000 (DC)

A 1600 in CA is the same as a 1600 in DC.
It's just based on test scores. There is no resume at this candidate level.

Correct, but every candidate in CA had a 1600, but only a couple of the 66 in DC did. DC probably went down to 1540 SAT (maybe lower).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is one male and one female Presidential Scholar from each state, plus some others selected for arts/technical. There is no scholarship, just a trip to DC (& photo op with the president).

For candidates, there are 20+ boys and 20+ girls from each state based upon highest SAT and ACT scores. In CA, this probably means 1600 SAT or 36+36+36 ACT. In DC, I believe a 1540/35 qualified last year.

Nearly all of the DC resident NMSFs (~15) qualified as PS candidates, so it is harder to be a NMSF in DC than a PS candidate, but if you become semifinalist (~6) or Scholar (2) that is impressive (especially in CA).

It is equally impressive in every state.

No. #1 out of 400,000 (CA) > #1 out of 5,000 (DC)

So the kid with the perfect scores and resume in CA is more impressive than the kid with the perfect scores and resume in TX, FL, DE?

Probably, since they had to compete against 100's of other kids with perfect scores and resumes. There is no guarantee that anyone from DE/WV/XYZ even got a perfect score, but that is the minimum required in CA to become a candidate.

It's like saying being #1 at TJ is no more impressive than being valedictorian at any other school in the country.

No. When you look at the final list, you won't be able to force rank them.

I won't because I don't get to see the extensive applications. But I bet those who evaluate them could. Not saying that the CA would be number one, but the odds say that CA,TX,FL,NY,etc. candidates would be better.

[Anonymous]

Meant finalists in last post

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is one male and one female Presidential Scholar from each state, plus some others selected for arts/technical. There is no scholarship, just a trip to DC (& photo op with the president).

For candidates, there are 20+ boys and 20+ girls from each state based upon highest SAT and ACT scores. In CA, this probably means 1600 SAT or 36+36+36 ACT. In DC, I believe a 1540/35 qualified last year.

Nearly all of the DC resident NMSFs (~15) qualified as PS candidates, so it is harder to be a NMSF in DC than a PS candidate, but if you become semifinalist (~6) or Scholar (2) that is impressive (especially in CA).

It is equally impressive in every state.

No. #1 out of 400,000 (CA) > #1 out of 5,000 (DC)

A 1600 in CA is the same as a 1600 in DC.
It's just based on test scores. There is no resume at this candidate level.

Correct, but every candidate in CA had a 1600, but only a couple of the 66 in DC did. DC probably went down to 1540 SAT (maybe lower).

Do you know that for a fact? If not, stfu.

[Anonymous]

My kid got the invite but isn’t sure it’s worth the hassle of completing the application (more essays!!). I’m guessing she should but I don’t have a good reason for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is one male and one female Presidential Scholar from each state, plus some others selected for arts/technical. There is no scholarship, just a trip to DC (& photo op with the president).

For candidates, there are 20+ boys and 20+ girls from each state based upon highest SAT and ACT scores. In CA, this probably means 1600 SAT or 36+36+36 ACT. In DC, I believe a 1540/35 qualified last year.

Nearly all of the DC resident NMSFs (~15) qualified as PS candidates, so it is harder to be a NMSF in DC than a PS candidate, but if you become semifinalist (~6) or Scholar (2) that is impressive (especially in CA).

It is equally impressive in every state.

No. #1 out of 400,000 (CA) > #1 out of 5,000 (DC)

A 1600 in CA is the same as a 1600 in DC.
It's just based on test scores. There is no resume at this candidate level.

Correct, but every candidate in CA had a 1600, but only a couple of the 66 in DC did. DC probably went down to 1540 SAT (maybe lower).

Do you know that for a fact? If not, stfu.

Not sure the poster about higher score in CA knows what they are talking about. My DC is in the district and was invited to apply. Scored a 36 on the ACT. The other kids from the same school also either had a 36 on the ACT or 1600 on the SAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is one male and one female Presidential Scholar from each state, plus some others selected for arts/technical. There is no scholarship, just a trip to DC (& photo op with the president).

For candidates, there are 20+ boys and 20+ girls from each state based upon highest SAT and ACT scores. In CA, this probably means 1600 SAT or 36+36+36 ACT. In DC, I believe a 1540/35 qualified last year.

Nearly all of the DC resident NMSFs (~15) qualified as PS candidates, so it is harder to be a NMSF in DC than a PS candidate, but if you become semifinalist (~6) or Scholar (2) that is impressive (especially in CA).

It is equally impressive in every state.

No. #1 out of 400,000 (CA) > #1 out of 5,000 (DC)

A 1600 in CA is the same as a 1600 in DC.
It's just based on test scores. There is no resume at this candidate level.

Correct, but every candidate in CA had a 1600, but only a couple of the 66 in DC did. DC probably went down to 1540 SAT (maybe lower).

Do you know that for a fact? If not, stfu.

Not sure the poster about higher score in CA knows what they are talking about. My DC is in the district and was invited to apply. Scored a 36 on the ACT. The other kids from the same school also either had a 36 on the ACT or 1600 on the SAT.

You can call the people that run the program. Last year they confirmed 1540 as the qualifying score in DC (106 ACT). Also, not all 36's are equal. PS does not use composite, they use sum of 3 components (excluding Science). In CA, that would be 36+36+36=108.

If you think 66 residents in DC scored 1600 or 36+36+36 (when only 15 were NMSF) then you are not very good at math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid got the invite but isn’t sure it’s worth the hassle of completing the application (more essays!!). I’m guessing she should but I don’t have a good reason for that.

My kid was in this position last year, and opted not to move forward. It doesn’t matter to colleges, which already know your score, and if you advance, you win an all-expenses paid trip to...Washington, DC!

[Anonymous]

The DC graduating class of 2018 (last dataset available) had 8 students with a composite 36. That would include 35/6/6/6, 35/5/6/6, 34/6/6/6, etc.

Very few DC students have a perfect 36/36/36/36.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is one male and one female Presidential Scholar from each state, plus some others selected for arts/technical. There is no scholarship, just a trip to DC (& photo op with the president).

For candidates, there are 20+ boys and 20+ girls from each state based upon highest SAT and ACT scores. In CA, this probably means 1600 SAT or 36+36+36 ACT. In DC, I believe a 1540/35 qualified last year.

Nearly all of the DC resident NMSFs (~15) qualified as PS candidates, so it is harder to be a NMSF in DC than a PS candidate, but if you become semifinalist (~6) or Scholar (2) that is impressive (especially in CA).

It is equally impressive in every state.

No. #1 out of 400,000 (CA) > #1 out of 5,000 (DC)

A 1600 in CA is the same as a 1600 in DC.
It's just based on test scores. There is no resume at this candidate level.

Correct, but every candidate in CA had a 1600, but only a couple of the 66 in DC did. DC probably went down to 1540 SAT (maybe lower).

Do you know that for a fact? If not, stfu.

Not sure the poster about higher score in CA knows what they are talking about. My DC is in the district and was invited to apply. Scored a 36 on the ACT. The other kids from the same school also either had a 36 on the ACT or 1600 on the SAT.

You can call the people that run the program. Last year they confirmed 1540 as the qualifying score in DC (106 ACT). Also, not all 36's are equal. PS does not use composite, they use sum of 3 components (excluding Science). In CA, that would be 36+36+36=108.

If you think 66 residents in DC scored 1600 or 36+36+36 (when only 15 were NMSF) then you are not very good at math.

Of course 66 kids didn't have perfect SATs. Not all candidates are in the high SAT category. Some are arts, some are trades, and some are nominated without regard to scores, arts, or trade -- even in CA.

The general category has three paths to nomination. Note the word "or": "score exceptionally well on either the SAT of the College Board or the ACT of the American College Testing Program, based on tests taken during the two-year window that begins in September, 2017 and runs through October, 2019, (for the recognition cycle concluding in June, 2020), nominated by their Chief State School Officer (CSSO) or nominated by one of our partner recognition organizations based on outstanding scholarship."

In DC, we are very aware of this because one year, on her way out of office, a particular CSSO nominated a bunch of kids from a charter school she founded. It was the only year anyone from that school ever got a nomination. Kudos to them, but not all of the kids on that list, not even the all kids from CA, had high SAT scores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is one male and one female Presidential Scholar from each state, plus some others selected for arts/technical. There is no scholarship, just a trip to DC (& photo op with the president).

For candidates, there are 20+ boys and 20+ girls from each state based upon highest SAT and ACT scores. In CA, this probably means 1600 SAT or 36+36+36 ACT. In DC, I believe a 1540/35 qualified last year.

Nearly all of the DC resident NMSFs (~15) qualified as PS candidates, so it is harder to be a NMSF in DC than a PS candidate, but if you become semifinalist (~6) or Scholar (2) that is impressive (especially in CA).

It is equally impressive in every state.

No. #1 out of 400,000 (CA) > #1 out of 5,000 (DC)

A 1600 in CA is the same as a 1600 in DC.
It's just based on test scores. There is no resume at this candidate level.

Correct, but every candidate in CA had a 1600, but only a couple of the 66 in DC did. DC probably went down to 1540 SAT (maybe lower).

Do you know that for a fact? If not, stfu.

Not sure the poster about higher score in CA knows what they are talking about. My DC is in the district and was invited to apply. Scored a 36 on the ACT. The other kids from the same school also either had a 36 on the ACT or 1600 on the SAT.

You can call the people that run the program. Last year they confirmed 1540 as the qualifying score in DC (106 ACT). Also, not all 36's are equal. PS does not use composite, they use sum of 3 components (excluding Science). In CA, that would be 36+36+36=108.

If you think 66 residents in DC scored 1600 or 36+36+36 (when only 15 were NMSF) then you are not very good at math.

Of course 66 kids didn't have perfect SATs. Not all candidates are in the high SAT category. Some are arts, some are trades, and some are nominated without regard to scores, arts, or trade -- even in CA.

The general category has three paths to nomination. Note the word "or": "score exceptionally well on either the SAT of the College Board or the ACT of the American College Testing Program, based on tests taken during the two-year window that begins in September, 2017 and runs through October, 2019, (for the recognition cycle concluding in June, 2020), nominated by their Chief State School Officer (CSSO) or nominated by one of our partner recognition organizations based on outstanding scholarship."

In DC, we are very aware of this because one year, on her way out of office, a particular CSSO nominated a bunch of kids from a charter school she founded. It was the only year anyone from that school ever got a nomination. Kudos to them, but not all of the kids on that list, not even the all kids from CA, had high SAT scores.

The Arts and Career/Technical candidates are identified with asterisks on the candidates list (as was the case with the E.L Haynes students you are referring to from 2018). DC has no students identified with asterisks this year. There are at least 20+20+ties that come exclusively from the SAT/ACT scores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is one male and one female Presidential Scholar from each state, plus some others selected for arts/technical. There is no scholarship, just a trip to DC (& photo op with the president).

For candidates, there are 20+ boys and 20+ girls from each state based upon highest SAT and ACT scores. In CA, this probably means 1600 SAT or 36+36+36 ACT. In DC, I believe a 1540/35 qualified last year.

Nearly all of the DC resident NMSFs (~15) qualified as PS candidates, so it is harder to be a NMSF in DC than a PS candidate, but if you become semifinalist (~6) or Scholar (2) that is impressive (especially in CA).

It is equally impressive in every state.

No. #1 out of 400,000 (CA) > #1 out of 5,000 (DC)

A 1600 in CA is the same as a 1600 in DC.
It's just based on test scores. There is no resume at this candidate level.

Correct, but every candidate in CA had a 1600, but only a couple of the 66 in DC did. DC probably went down to 1540 SAT (maybe lower).

Do you know that for a fact? If not, stfu.

Not sure the poster about higher score in CA knows what they are talking about. My DC is in the district and was invited to apply. Scored a 36 on the ACT. The other kids from the same school also either had a 36 on the ACT or 1600 on the SAT.

You can call the people that run the program. Last year they confirmed 1540 as the qualifying score in DC (106 ACT). Also, not all 36's are equal. PS does not use composite, they use sum of 3 components (excluding Science). In CA, that would be 36+36+36=108.

If you think 66 residents in DC scored 1600 or 36+36+36 (when only 15 were NMSF) then you are not very good at math.

The NMSF cut-off class 2020 is actually higher for DC students (223) than for California (222).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Much bigger deal to get a Regeneron or TASP or MITE or RSI than it is to get a test-based award like NM or Presidential Scholar.

Very true!