COGAT FCPS- Please let me know if he has a shot!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Like I said, I must have struck a nerve. I was also the one who posted the link to the FCPS website. You know, the one with Forms OP could use, and videos that provide guidance on what type of material to submit. But hey, to each their own. FWIW, my dc got over a 140 and I did not prep them. Maybe I am a bit salty that the scores are so readily discounted. Prepping is not as rampant as you may think. Most people I know did not know what the CogAT was, until the teacher said it was coming up. But feel free to report me.

I don’t think 140s are assumed to be prepped. I did not prep my 142 kid at all either but on another thread someone said preppongvos thought to give a 10 point advantage. So a score at that level would have been in pool or lose anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the OP. This really was not intended as a brag. Ever since wemoved to FCPS we have gotten contradicting information on which kids get into AAP. Even his own teacher said that, scores alone is not important, but they need to find other evidence. So I wan inquiring whether this score means a shoo in or if I need to submit more documents.

If his teacher said that then why are you asking, “ Will this score be enough for him to get into AAP?” You know full well it was a brag - otherwise that quote along with the bolded above make no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the OP. This really was not intended as a brag. Ever since wemoved to FCPS we have gotten contradicting information on which kids get into AAP. Even his own teacher said that, scores alone is not important, but they need to find other evidence. So I wan inquiring whether this score means a shoo in or if I need to submit more documents.

If his teacher said that then why are you asking, “ Will this score be enough for him to get into AAP?” You know full well it was a brag - otherwise that quote along with the bolded above make no sense.

B.s. is right - even the title shows it was about the cogat only.

[Anonymous]

Anecdotally, last year there was a DCUM thread where several people said that their kid got a CogAT score of 99% and was not accepted. There is a chance your DC won’t be accepted, but most likely if they have good work samples and a good teacher recommendation, they will be in.

[Anonymous]

My son is in pool, so don't need to referral. I heard we could optionally submit a parent questionnaire and work samples. To whom do do we submit the questionnaire , is it to school or to FCPS AAP screening committee?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son is in pool, so don't need to referral. I heard we could optionally submit a parent questionnaire and work samples. To whom do do we submit the questionnaire , is it to school or to FCPS AAP screening committee?

Ours are supposed to be turned in to the front office.

[Anonymous]

Some parents here have Robber Eyes.. you can tell when they see them. It is very obvious. Usually these are Trolls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:30% of FCPS students are in AAP. It’s not a selective group by any means. Acceptance is not based on scores, but mainly hinders on excellent teacher recommendations. If you have a gifted child who is disruptive in class, this child will not get a good letter and will not get into AAP. It’s a teachers pet sort of thing.

This so isn't true. I've had two kids get into AAP. The first was an excellent student, did everything asked and more, had an excelled GBRS and referral but missed the cutoff by 2 points and wasn't accepted until a composite of 98th percentile was reached. My other child had ADHD, didn't listen, acted up, and didn't work during class. No way there was a good teacher recommendation or GBRS yet got in because of perfect SOL score and very high Naglieri (97th percentile) in K.

It's all about the scores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I believe it is 20% by sixth grade, that includes kids who have moved into the county and accepted, kids who apply in a later grade and private school transfers. I thought I saw someone post that it is about 16% of Second Graders are accepted into AAP. And I am not certain that those numbers actually reflect the number of kids participating or the number of kids who are eligible. I know kids who have deferred or returned to their base school. I am not certain how they are treated in the AAP stats.

It is a selective group. Kids are not accepted in the first round and not everyone who appeals is accepted. You do have to have higher test scores, although not everyone is at the 132 bench mark, be doing well in your grade, and receive decent teacher evaluations. Some folks might think that the selection criteria is not rigid enough or set high enough but that does not mean it is not a selective group.

Last year's dashboard showed 17% of 3rd graders and 23% of 6th graders in AAP. These numbers only include the kids who are both accepted into LIV and receiving LIV services. For example, one of my kids was eligible but deferred AAP. The dashboard stats for the school showed 0 AAP kids. So, they're not including kids who are eligible but aren't participating in AAP.

If you include principal placements in LLIV, it's over 26% receiving LIV AAP services in 3rd-6th grade collectively (from FCAG reports). These reports are a few years old, and new LLIVs have opened in the meantime, so the number of principal placements is most likely higher.

I don't view a program taking 20% as a selective program, but the argument is moreso one of semantics than anything else. I know many, many kids in AAP who are bright, good students, but not gifted or exceptional in any way.

Wow. So like a quarter of all FCPS kids get into aap? That’s really...remarkable!

Aren’t most gifted programs like 1 or 2 percent?

[Anonymous]

17% of 2nd grade students last year were found eligible for the program this year. That percentage will grow each year, as more students are admitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I believe it is 20% by sixth grade, that includes kids who have moved into the county and accepted, kids who apply in a later grade and private school transfers. I thought I saw someone post that it is about 16% of Second Graders are accepted into AAP. And I am not certain that those numbers actually reflect the number of kids participating or the number of kids who are eligible. I know kids who have deferred or returned to their base school. I am not certain how they are treated in the AAP stats.

It is a selective group. Kids are not accepted in the first round and not everyone who appeals is accepted. You do have to have higher test scores, although not everyone is at the 132 bench mark, be doing well in your grade, and receive decent teacher evaluations. Some folks might think that the selection criteria is not rigid enough or set high enough but that does not mean it is not a selective group.

Last year's dashboard showed 17% of 3rd graders and 23% of 6th graders in AAP. These numbers only include the kids who are both accepted into LIV and receiving LIV services. For example, one of my kids was eligible but deferred AAP. The dashboard stats for the school showed 0 AAP kids. So, they're not including kids who are eligible but aren't participating in AAP.

If you include principal placements in LLIV, it's over 26% receiving LIV AAP services in 3rd-6th grade collectively (from FCAG reports). These reports are a few years old, and new LLIVs have opened in the meantime, so the number of principal placements is most likely higher.

I don't view a program taking 20% as a selective program, but the argument is moreso one of semantics than anything else. I know many, many kids in AAP who are bright, good students, but not gifted or exceptional in any way.

Wow. So like a quarter of all FCPS kids get into aap? That’s really...remarkable!

Aren’t most gifted programs like 1 or 2 percent?

Which is why someone on this post noted that it's not a GT program by any means ... it's a program for advanced learners (i.e., high achievers!)--there's a BIG difference!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I believe it is 20% by sixth grade, that includes kids who have moved into the county and accepted, kids who apply in a later grade and private school transfers. I thought I saw someone post that it is about 16% of Second Graders are accepted into AAP. And I am not certain that those numbers actually reflect the number of kids participating or the number of kids who are eligible. I know kids who have deferred or returned to their base school. I am not certain how they are treated in the AAP stats.

It is a selective group. Kids are not accepted in the first round and not everyone who appeals is accepted. You do have to have higher test scores, although not everyone is at the 132 bench mark, be doing well in your grade, and receive decent teacher evaluations. Some folks might think that the selection criteria is not rigid enough or set high enough but that does not mean it is not a selective group.

Last year's dashboard showed 17% of 3rd graders and 23% of 6th graders in AAP. These numbers only include the kids who are both accepted into LIV and receiving LIV services. For example, one of my kids was eligible but deferred AAP. The dashboard stats for the school showed 0 AAP kids. So, they're not including kids who are eligible but aren't participating in AAP.

If you include principal placements in LLIV, it's over 26% receiving LIV AAP services in 3rd-6th grade collectively (from FCAG reports). These reports are a few years old, and new LLIVs have opened in the meantime, so the number of principal placements is most likely higher.

I don't view a program taking 20% as a selective program, but the argument is moreso one of semantics than anything else. I know many, many kids in AAP who are bright, good students, but not gifted or exceptional in any way.

Wow. So like a quarter of all FCPS kids get into aap? That’s really...remarkable!

Aren’t most gifted programs like 1 or 2 percent?

Which is why someone on this post noted that it's not a GT program by any means ... it's a program for advanced learners (i.e., high achievers!)--there's a BIG difference!

Either way, I am glad my kid qualified!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I believe it is 20% by sixth grade, that includes kids who have moved into the county and accepted, kids who apply in a later grade and private school transfers. I thought I saw someone post that it is about 16% of Second Graders are accepted into AAP. And I am not certain that those numbers actually reflect the number of kids participating or the number of kids who are eligible. I know kids who have deferred or returned to their base school. I am not certain how they are treated in the AAP stats.

It is a selective group. Kids are not accepted in the first round and not everyone who appeals is accepted. You do have to have higher test scores, although not everyone is at the 132 bench mark, be doing well in your grade, and receive decent teacher evaluations. Some folks might think that the selection criteria is not rigid enough or set high enough but that does not mean it is not a selective group.

Last year's dashboard showed 17% of 3rd graders and 23% of 6th graders in AAP. These numbers only include the kids who are both accepted into LIV and receiving LIV services. For example, one of my kids was eligible but deferred AAP. The dashboard stats for the school showed 0 AAP kids. So, they're not including kids who are eligible but aren't participating in AAP.

If you include principal placements in LLIV, it's over 26% receiving LIV AAP services in 3rd-6th grade collectively (from FCAG reports). These reports are a few years old, and new LLIVs have opened in the meantime, so the number of principal placements is most likely higher.

I don't view a program taking 20% as a selective program, but the argument is moreso one of semantics than anything else. I know many, many kids in AAP who are bright, good students, but not gifted or exceptional in any way.

Wow. So like a quarter of all FCPS kids get into aap? That’s really...remarkable!

Aren’t most gifted programs like 1 or 2 percent?

Which is why someone on this post noted that it's not a GT program by any means ... it's a program for advanced learners (i.e., high achievers!)--there's a BIG difference!

Either way, I am glad my kid qualified!

+1 and +1

It is not a gifted and talented program. I believe that there was a time that the numbers were far smaller and that it was closer to a gifted and talented program but that is just based on anecdotes that I have read.

I hope that my kid qualifies because I want to have the option for him. I am glad that there is something for driven kids as well as smart kids. I think having something in place for kids who are willing to work hard to stay ahead is a good thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anecdotally, last year there was a DCUM thread where several people said that their kid got a CogAT score of 99% and was not accepted. There is a chance your DC won’t be accepted, but most likely if they have good work samples and a good teacher recommendation, they will be in.

Thats what I'm worried about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anecdotally, last year there was a DCUM thread where several people said that their kid got a CogAT score of 99% and was not accepted. There is a chance your DC won’t be accepted, but most likely if they have good work samples and a good teacher recommendation, they will be in.

Thats what I'm worried about.

Why the worry with high scores? You can always see your application packet and appeal the decision.