Anybody Here Ever Have a Kid Above Grade Level Go Through DCPS Middle Schools besides Deal or Hardy?

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Anonymous wrote:My friend's above-grade-level son is in 8th grade at Stuart Hobson - hoping to go to SWW next year.

We've know a dozen of SH students in the neighborhood who are IB and UMC since they were tots. Most of the parents supplement considerably, particularly for science and social students (not tracked, many kids working below grade level, some bringing their behavioral problems to the classroom). Nice, resilient kids, but generally not GT material and none of them advanced foreign language students.

We've decided not to bother with SH for a rising IB 5th grader. Far too many poorly prepared and rowdy kids would be in class with ours. Hoping for BASIS, Latin or fi aid at a private. If not, we'll move and return to our Hill home as empty nesters.

I’m a happy Latin parent x2 and I can promise that if this is your attitude about SH and the kids who attend SH, you won’t be pleased with Latin. Please don’t consider it for your child.

Don't tell PPs what to do, hon. Latin has smaller classes than Hobson and attracts a self-selecting group of parents who make a commitment to their children's education success.

[Anonymous]

So the thing about Latin, for all of you folks desperate to avoid S-H, is that Latin also doesn't track for middle school and its testing cohorts (in particular, place and white students) perform almost EXACTLY THE SAME as the cohorts in S-H for PARCC ELA, which is the thing you want to look at if you are worried about "kids who can't read" pulling down the level of the class. Both schools have enough black and white kids at 6, 7, and 8th grades to report results.

And because S-H has more kids, there are actually a lot more kids on/above grade level at S-H compared to Latin. (in 6th grade, 98 kids at S-H vs. 59 at Latin)

There is valid argument about feeder high schools to be made, but yeah, any complaints about the academics or performance of S-H - in which Latin is held up as an exemplar - are pretty racist.

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Of course only racists want diverse schools with a good mix of races.

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Anonymous wrote:I can think of a dozen kids I have come in contact with (babysitters, neighbors, older siblings, etc.) who have graduated from SH in last 10 years. They've gone to Banneker, Walls, Ellington and Wilson. And a range of decent colleges, including Ivy League and top notch state schools.

Some kids will do well anywhere. Most won't. I've lived across the street from SH since the 90s. Unless their demographics shift pretty radically in the next 5 years, we're not interested for our little kids. I don't see this happening. More charters will just open to draw in the CH middle-class families who don't like their neighborhod middle school options, like Washington Latin's planned 2nd campus.

What’s wrong with the demographics?

Nothing, if you're fine with 80% AA and OOB and half low SES at SH in a neighborhood that's become overwhelmingly UMC and largely white. If you're race baiting, knock if off already.

You are scum.

PS- Hardy had similar demographics only a few years ago. The white kids didn’t die once a few started going there. My kid does to a 80% AA school and she doesn’t die at school. In fact, she’s safer at her 80% AA school than a suburban school and threat of guns.

I don't want my Asian kid as the proverbial point man in a battle as a student at a DCPS middle school, going in first so that 4 guys behind him won't be hurt or killed. The Stuart Hobson catchment area looks to be at least 5% Asian. To my knowledge, there is just one Asian student at the school, a 6th grader whose mom tells me that they won't be back next year. No way. You guys don't get it. Every family in DC isn't white, AA or Latino. When Asian parents totally avoid a school, something is very wrong with the program.

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Anonymous wrote:I can think of a dozen kids I have come in contact with (babysitters, neighbors, older siblings, etc.) who have graduated from SH in last 10 years. They've gone to Banneker, Walls, Ellington and Wilson. And a range of decent colleges, including Ivy League and top notch state schools.

Some kids will do well anywhere. Most won't. I've lived across the street from SH since the 90s. Unless their demographics shift pretty radically in the next 5 years, we're not interested for our little kids. I don't see this happening. More charters will just open to draw in the CH middle-class families who don't like their neighborhod middle school options, like Washington Latin's planned 2nd campus.

What’s wrong with the demographics?

Nothing, if you're fine with 80% AA and OOB and half low SES at SH in a neighborhood that's become overwhelmingly UMC and largely white. If you're race baiting, knock if off already.

You are scum.

PS- Hardy had similar demographics only a few years ago. The white kids didn’t die once a few started going there. My kid does to a 80% AA school and she doesn’t die at school. In fact, she’s safer at her 80% AA school than a suburban school and threat of guns.

I don't want my Asian kid as the proverbial point man in a battle as a student at a DCPS middle school, going in first so that 4 guys behind him won't be hurt or killed. The Stuart Hobson catchment area looks to be at least 5% Asian. To my knowledge, there is just one Asian student at the school, a 6th grader whose mom tells me that they won't be back next year. No way. You guys don't get it. Every family in DC isn't white, AA or Latino. When Asian parents totally avoid a school, something is very wrong with the program.

If you want to stay in the city and not move to MD/VA; there are a decent number of asian kids (S/SE/East Asian mix) at both Hardy and Deal. The families and students are almost all local/IB.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My friend's above-grade-level son is in 8th grade at Stuart Hobson - hoping to go to SWW next year.

We've know a dozen of SH students in the neighborhood who are IB and UMC since they were tots. Most of the parents supplement considerably, particularly for science and social students (not tracked, many kids working below grade level, some bringing their behavioral problems to the classroom). Nice, resilient kids, but generally not GT material and none of them advanced foreign language students.

We've decided not to bother with SH for a rising IB 5th grader. Far too many poorly prepared and rowdy kids would be in class with ours. Hoping for BASIS, Latin or fi aid at a private. If not, we'll move and return to our Hill home as empty nesters.

^^this is the same persistent troll with some weird fixation on SH. SH has a decent track record of application HS placements.

"GT material"? You have no F*@!ing idea what you're talking about.

Not the PT you're responding to and I have no fixation on with any DCPS program. But I can tell you this, Walls give strong preference to DCPS applicants. If they didn't, more spots would go to charter applicants and private school applicants.

Many SH, Deal and Hardy applicants essentially sail into Walls when they aren't well prepared. If you're arguing that DCPS MS grads routinely crack top private high schools without parents having paid to supplement, I'm calling BS. I have college pals who work as private school admins in DC. Their schools run summer programs mainly to prep top DCPS MS grads to handle HS rigor.

My kids attended one of those summer programs and said it was a total waste of time because was all old hat. But we were made to fear he'd fail without it. They don't run the programs because kids need it, they run them in case they need it and to make more money off of fearful parents.

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Anonymous wrote:I can think of a dozen kids I have come in contact with (babysitters, neighbors, older siblings, etc.) who have graduated from SH in last 10 years. They've gone to Banneker, Walls, Ellington and Wilson. And a range of decent colleges, including Ivy League and top notch state schools.

Some kids will do well anywhere. Most won't. I've lived across the street from SH since the 90s. Unless their demographics shift pretty radically in the next 5 years, we're not interested for our little kids. I don't see this happening. More charters will just open to draw in the CH middle-class families who don't like their neighborhod middle school options, like Washington Latin's planned 2nd campus.

What’s wrong with the demographics?

Nothing, if you're fine with 80% AA and OOB and half low SES at SH in a neighborhood that's become overwhelmingly UMC and largely white. If you're race baiting, knock if off already.

You are scum.

PS- Hardy had similar demographics only a few years ago. The white kids didn’t die once a few started going there. My kid does to a 80% AA school and she doesn’t die at school. In fact, she’s safer at her 80% AA school than a suburban school and threat of guns.

I don't want my Asian kid as the proverbial point man in a battle as a student at a DCPS middle school, going in first so that 4 guys behind him won't be hurt or killed. The Stuart Hobson catchment area looks to be at least 5% Asian. To my knowledge, there is just one Asian student at the school, a 6th grader whose mom tells me that they won't be back next year. No way. You guys don't get it. Every family in DC isn't white, AA or Latino. When Asian parents totally avoid a school, something is very wrong with the program.

If you want to stay in the city and not move to MD/VA; there are a decent number of asian kids (S/SE/East Asian mix) at both Hardy and Deal. The families and students are almost all local/IB.

Also a decent number of Asian kids at BASIS. Similarly, mix of S/SE/East Asian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My friend's above-grade-level son is in 8th grade at Stuart Hobson - hoping to go to SWW next year.

We've know a dozen of SH students in the neighborhood who are IB and UMC since they were tots. Most of the parents supplement considerably, particularly for science and social students (not tracked, many kids working below grade level, some bringing their behavioral problems to the classroom). Nice, resilient kids, but generally not GT material and none of them advanced foreign language students.

We've decided not to bother with SH for a rising IB 5th grader. Far too many poorly prepared and rowdy kids would be in class with ours. Hoping for BASIS, Latin or fi aid at a private. If not, we'll move and return to our Hill home as empty nesters.

I was in an excellent gifted and talented program in the 90s (not in DC) and guess what? All of the parents still supplemented considerably.

Not to derail this but - what do you mean by supplemented considerably? I also was "G&T" in the 80's and nobody supplemented academically in the slightest. I did have extracurricular "supplementation" in terms of music and arts and such. I'm just surprised because I thought this was a new thing for the super ambitious types of DC, or the super crappy schools of DC.

+1. No one supplemented when I was in G & T. Think PP’s program who supplemented is an outlier.

Parents in DC supplement because of the latter - crappy schools and subpar education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My friend's above-grade-level son is in 8th grade at Stuart Hobson - hoping to go to SWW next year.

We've know a dozen of SH students in the neighborhood who are IB and UMC since they were tots. Most of the parents supplement considerably, particularly for science and social students (not tracked, many kids working below grade level, some bringing their behavioral problems to the classroom). Nice, resilient kids, but generally not GT material and none of them advanced foreign language students.

We've decided not to bother with SH for a rising IB 5th grader. Far too many poorly prepared and rowdy kids would be in class with ours. Hoping for BASIS, Latin or fi aid at a private. If not, we'll move and return to our Hill home as empty nesters.

You dump on SH because of demographics, probably live in a $800k-$1M house, and think you are special enough for financial aid at a private if BASIS or Latin don't roll your way? You are the embodiment of entitlement. Your problem is that you are literally on the outside looking in and without enough actual information to be so definitive.

I've had kids in Hill schools for nearly 20 years, the older went to private for high upper grades, the younger ones are still in SH. All of them went to ECE/elementary in SWS/Peabody, Watkins, and another Hill DSPS. My kids and their friends are all doing great. My oldest in a Big 3 private HS (no financial aid btw). Her friends from SH (and not just Hill kids) are in Banneker, SWW, Duke, other privates, etc. None seem to be out of their depth. My younger ones and their friends are mostly looking to the application high schools; it seems far fewer are considering private HS in the younger group. We have a bit of an age gap so I'm not surprised.

[Anonymous]

This is OP. I guess I should’ve added that we live nowhere near the Hill and saved everybody a lot of grief over Stuart Hobson.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can think of a dozen kids I have come in contact with (babysitters, neighbors, older siblings, etc.) who have graduated from SH in last 10 years. They've gone to Banneker, Walls, Ellington and Wilson. And a range of decent colleges, including Ivy League and top notch state schools.

Some kids will do well anywhere. Most won't. I've lived across the street from SH since the 90s. Unless their demographics shift pretty radically in the next 5 years, we're not interested for our little kids. I don't see this happening. More charters will just open to draw in the CH middle-class families who don't like their neighborhod middle school options, like Washington Latin's planned 2nd campus.

What’s wrong with the demographics?

Nothing, if you're fine with 80% AA and OOB and half low SES at SH in a neighborhood that's become overwhelmingly UMC and largely white. If you're race baiting, knock if off already.

You are scum.

PS- Hardy had similar demographics only a few years ago. The white kids didn’t die once a few started going there. My kid does to a 80% AA school and she doesn’t die at school. In fact, she’s safer at her 80% AA school than a suburban school and threat of guns.

I don't want my Asian kid as the proverbial point man in a battle as a student at a DCPS middle school, going in first so that 4 guys behind him won't be hurt or killed. The Stuart Hobson catchment area looks to be at least 5% Asian. To my knowledge, there is just one Asian student at the school, a 6th grader whose mom tells me that they won't be back next year. No way. You guys don't get it. Every family in DC isn't white, AA or Latino. When Asian parents totally avoid a school, something is very wrong with the program.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you don't have enough numbers for anyone to care

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can think of a dozen kids I have come in contact with (babysitters, neighbors, older siblings, etc.) who have graduated from SH in last 10 years. They've gone to Banneker, Walls, Ellington and Wilson. And a range of decent colleges, including Ivy League and top notch state schools.

Some kids will do well anywhere. Most won't. I've lived across the street from SH since the 90s. Unless their demographics shift pretty radically in the next 5 years, we're not interested for our little kids. I don't see this happening. More charters will just open to draw in the CH middle-class families who don't like their neighborhod middle school options, like Washington Latin's planned 2nd campus.

What’s wrong with the demographics?

Nothing, if you're fine with 80% AA and OOB and half low SES at SH in a neighborhood that's become overwhelmingly UMC and largely white. If you're race baiting, knock if off already.

You are scum.

PS- Hardy had similar demographics only a few years ago. The white kids didn’t die once a few started going there. My kid does to a 80% AA school and she doesn’t die at school. In fact, she’s safer at her 80% AA school than a suburban school and threat of guns.

I don't want my Asian kid as the proverbial point man in a battle as a student at a DCPS middle school, going in first so that 4 guys behind him won't be hurt or killed. The Stuart Hobson catchment area looks to be at least 5% Asian. To my knowledge, there is just one Asian student at the school, a 6th grader whose mom tells me that they won't be back next year. No way. You guys don't get it. Every family in DC isn't white, AA or Latino. When Asian parents totally avoid a school, something is very wrong with the program.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you don't have enough numbers for anyone to care

^^and you need to look at the residents in the catchment with kids. Throwing out a reasonable guess of 5% doesn't make that accurate for families with school aged children

[Anonymous]

asian poster do us all a favor and move out of DC

Thanks

[Anonymous]

I know Ward 6 isn't the exact boundary for SH, but the most recent census data says that 1.4% children under the age of 18 in Ward 6 are Asian.

This is from 2016 https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/8874-race-ethnicity-of-child-population-by-ward?loc=10&loct=3#detailed/3/any/false/870,573,869,36,868,867,133,11/3498,2161,2159,2157,2663,3499,3307,2160|838/17761,17762

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can think of a dozen kids I have come in contact with (babysitters, neighbors, older siblings, etc.) who have graduated from SH in last 10 years. They've gone to Banneker, Walls, Ellington and Wilson. And a range of decent colleges, including Ivy League and top notch state schools.

Some kids will do well anywhere. Most won't. I've lived across the street from SH since the 90s. Unless their demographics shift pretty radically in the next 5 years, we're not interested for our little kids. I don't see this happening. More charters will just open to draw in the CH middle-class families who don't like their neighborhod middle school options, like Washington Latin's planned 2nd campus.

What’s wrong with the demographics?

Nothing, if you're fine with 80% AA and OOB and half low SES at SH in a neighborhood that's become overwhelmingly UMC and largely white. If you're race baiting, knock if off already.

You are scum.

PS- Hardy had similar demographics only a few years ago. The white kids didn’t die once a few started going there. My kid does to a 80% AA school and she doesn’t die at school. In fact, she’s safer at her 80% AA school than a suburban school and threat of guns.

I don't want my Asian kid as the proverbial point man in a battle as a student at a DCPS middle school, going in first so that 4 guys behind him won't be hurt or killed. The Stuart Hobson catchment area looks to be at least 5% Asian. To my knowledge, there is just one Asian student at the school, a 6th grader whose mom tells me that they won't be back next year. No way. You guys don't get it. Every family in DC isn't white, AA or Latino. When Asian parents totally avoid a school, something is very wrong with the program.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you don't have enough numbers for anyone to care

Speak for yourself. I'm white, IB for SH. I was lucky enough to attend Hunter College MS/HS in NYC in the 80s. Hunter's student body is more than 2/3s Asian.

If SH attracted a cohort of UMC Asian immigrant families, even a tiny one, I'd be impressed. I'd also be willing to give the program a 2nd look for my own kids.

Sorry guys, the ability to attract Asian families is the acid test of an academically sound urban public school in this country in this century. Plaudits to Deal, Hardy, BASIS + WL for supporting Asian cohorts.