Bowser proposes to add over 1,500 new affordable housing units to "Rock Creek West"

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Anonymous wrote:There's tons of affordable housing in PG country, but I guess we're supposed to pretend that doesn't exist.

Is PG County a part of the District of Columbia?
Exactly.
Shut the hell up.

And that matters because.....

Because this ain't about PG County doofus. DC residents need affordable housing and it's not Angela Alsobrooks and the folks in PG County's job to take care of DC residents. Are you that stupid?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know everyone is going to get fixated on the prospect of poor people moving into wealthy neighborhoods, but someone should ask how exactly this plan is going to result in affordable housing. It seems vague how that's going to work. Simply building more units is not going to change prices. (Yes, yes, yes, increasing supply puts downward pressure on prices. But lower prices attract more demand, which pushes prices back up).

She's planning on giving vouchers to low income District residents, which they can then use to compensate the landlords of large buildings in Wards 2 and 3. My guess is that the city will aggressively police and fine buildings that try to avoid accepting voucher holding residents.

With the debacle of Segwick Gardens, I think landlords may be hesitant to swap out those small number of below market long term tenants for tenants who are needing wrap-around services (but come armed with a reliable voucher from the city).

The City Council needs to start providing meaningful checks and balances against this Mayor. I pray that Racine primaries Bowser in the next Mayor race; we need a rational leader, not a bomb thrower.

It must seems like she can do this, and people will move. The homeless shelter, bike lanes galore, now 1500 units of affordable housing that is not even close to major employment??? It is a long commute from up there to downtown, bad traffic and very car based. People did not move to Rock Creek West to live in Columbia Heights. Why can't we have a choice of less dense neighborhoods with less stress?

Why doesnt she just claim city center for Pete's sake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's tons of affordable housing in PG country, but I guess we're supposed to pretend that doesn't exist.

+1

You buy a three bedroom house in Prince George's County that's a stone's throw from the D.C. border for $225,000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's tons of affordable housing in PG country, but I guess we're supposed to pretend that doesn't exist.

Is PG County a part of the District of Columbia?
Exactly.
Shut the hell up.

And that matters because.....

Because this ain't about PG County doofus. DC residents need affordable housing and it's not Angela Alsobrooks and the folks in PG County's job to take care of DC residents. Are you that stupid?

Well, we take care of their education to the tune of several thousand residency cheaters in DCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's tons of affordable housing in PG country, but I guess we're supposed to pretend that doesn't exist.

Is PG County a part of the District of Columbia?
Exactly.
Shut the hell up.

And that matters because.....

Because this ain't about PG County doofus. DC residents need affordable housing and it's not Angela Alsobrooks and the folks in PG County's job to take care of DC residents. Are you that stupid?

Are you 12-years old? You are terrible at arguing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Other cities have tried putting housing for low-income people in rich neighborhoods and have ended up with issues like those poor people can't afford to shop anywhere in their neighborhood. All the stores in their area cater to high-income people.

Like CVS and Safeway?

[Anonymous]

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It must seems like she can do this, and people will move. The homeless shelter, bike lanes galore, now 1500 units of affordable housing that is not even close to major employment??? It is a long commute from up there to downtown, bad traffic and very car based. People did not move to Rock Creek West to live in Columbia Heights. Why can't we have a choice of less dense neighborhoods with less stress?

Why doesnt she just claim city center for Pete's sake.

Bike lanes. Bike lanes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where will the horror end?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's tons of affordable housing in PG country, but I guess we're supposed to pretend that doesn't exist.

+1

You buy a three bedroom house in Prince George's County that's a stone's throw from the D.C. border for $225,000.

I also find it shortsighted because costs overall are much higher here..Groceries, restaurants, services of all types are built towards the demographics of the area. Next we will need an aldi, shoppers, dollar stores, subsidized medical practices to service these residents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's tons of affordable housing in PG country, but I guess we're supposed to pretend that doesn't exist.

Is PG County a part of the District of Columbia?
Exactly.
Shut the hell up.

And that matters because.....

All local jurisdictions need to do their share. We don't want segregation by having some jurisdictions have all the poor and working class people. If PG even had room for all of them, which I doubt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's tons of affordable housing in PG country, but I guess we're supposed to pretend that doesn't exist.

+1

You buy a three bedroom house in Prince George's County that's a stone's throw from the D.C. border for $225,000.

I also find it shortsighted because costs overall are much higher here..Groceries, restaurants, services of all types are built towards the demographics of the area. Next we will need an aldi, shoppers, dollar stores, subsidized medical practices to service these residents.

I shop at Aldi's from time to time. Having one in W3 won't kill you.

[Anonymous]

Actually, there are ZERO affordable units for rent in Colonial Village, District of Columbia. — Bowser's 100% single family neighborhood has no low-income apartments — including along 16th St NW.

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The map shows her little swath at the top of the drawing will not be affected by her plan [/snip]


… Colonial Village/North Portal Estates/Shepherd Park are all zoned for the same schools (Shepherd/Deal/Wilson), have the same neighborhood associations, etc., and are really all considered part of "greater" Shepherd Park. The border is Georgia Ave. to the east, which already has zoning laws which permit multi-unit housing. Currently, it's lined with a bunch of (mostly shabby) apt. buildings. [snip]

There will also be affordable housing in the Walter Reed development, just to the south of the neighborhood, once it gets underway.

There were plans for a mixed use building on the corner of Georgia/Alaska/Kalmia which was to be a midrise apt. building with a Harris Teeter- [/snip].

1st PP here. I appreciate what you're saying, SP poster, but the thing is, you're not actually describing Bowser's immediate environs. She's totally insulated from her own proposal to build hundreds of units for low-income people.

The fact that there are apartment buildings 1.5 - 2 miles away on Georgia is irrelevant. Personally, I wasn't affected at my 20015 address by the units proposed for the MPD station on Idaho Ave NW. Easy for me to say that's a great place to house the homeless in a "rich" neighborhood — I won't know the difference in my day-to-day life.

When upper 16th St NW gets a few hundred rental units built on some of those huge SFH lots between, say, Primrose and Myrtle (along transit! Yay!) …. then let's talk. No reason they can't tear down 2-3 of those homes and up-zone those parcels to multi-unit, right? Let's see Muriel put some skin in the game along the Gold Coast.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So she will propose that the first development dedicated to affordable housing be in her neighborhood, correct?

Ummm her part of the city in fact has a lot more affordable units than Ward 3 does already, by a long shot. And you probably don't know this but there in fact are some pretty affluent neighborhoods east of 16th Street as well as several stable middle class neighborhoods.

Actually, there are ZERO affordable units for rent in Colonial Village, District of Columbia. None, zip, nada.

Are there any in the general 20012 zip code? Possibly. But I just spent a few minutes I'll never get back confirming that Bowser's 100% single family neighborhood has no low-income apartments — including along 16th St NW.

You first, Muriel

100% this
The map shows her little swath at the top of the drawing will not be affected by her plan. Someone please call her out on this

Actually, it could be in the future. I live in the neighborhood. Colonial Village/North Portal Estates/Shepherd Park are all zoned for the same schools (Shepherd/Deal/Wilson), have the same neighborhood associations, etc., and are really all considered part of "greater" Shepherd Park. The border is Georgia Ave. to the east, which already has zoning laws which permit multi-unit housing. Currently, it's lined with a bunch of (mostly shabby) apt. buildings. I would absolutely support development along this strip, and there already has been a little. There will also be affordable housing in the Walter Reed development, just to the south of the neighborhood, once it gets underway.

There were plans for a mixed use building on the corner of Georgia/Alaska/Kalmia which was to be a midrise apt. building with a Harris Teeter--Brandon Todd supported this development. However, it eventually was killed due to neighborhood opposition (mostly a few loud voices that had retained legal, put up yard signs, etc.).

How will this affect her neighborhood? East of Georgia Avenue is zoned to a different school (even though the local elementary is still easy to get into OOB, residents made sure that boundary stayed firm to keep undesirables out). Considering there is no retail, there will be zero reason for nearby low-income residents to enter Colonial Village/Shepherd Park/Portal Estates.

[Anonymous]

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What I find surprising is that Bowser says NOTHING about the schools in these areas. They are already overcrowded. We need more schools WOTP - elementary, middle, and HS.

Sign not this again.

We don't need more schools WOTP.

We need the DC Council to take up re-drawing the boundaries and to move people en masse to the grossly under enrolled schools EOTP.

It is nuts that upper middle class families in Crestwood and Mt Pleasant are sending their kids to Deal and Wilson. It is nuts that gentrifiers in Columbia and 16th Street Heights and Shaw are doing the same or are going to charters.

Force all those families into their neighborhood schools and you solve the school capacity problems WOTP and the under enrollment problems EOTP and for no cost since most of the schools EOTP have already been renovated at great cost. And you probably reduce congestion and air pollution in the process.

And all those woke folks forcing out long term residents would have to put their kids where their proclaimed values are by actually sending their kids to their neighborhood schools rather than picking and choosing how invested they actually are in where they live.

You obviously don't have kids. I guess it's easy to lecture other people about what they should be doing when you yourself do not have any skin in the game.

Thank you for pointing this out. What a numbnutts, to think I'd passively allow DC to ban charter schools (which serve one of my kids well) and force my other child from Deal to whatever horribly underperforming (but renovated!) middle school is closest to us, rather than get the hell out of Dodge.

"you solve the school capacity problems WOTP and the under enrollment problems EOTP and for no cost "

Except, you know, the cost of our children's futures, in the name of radical egalitarianism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's tons of affordable housing in PG country, but I guess we're supposed to pretend that doesn't exist.

+1

You buy a three bedroom house in Prince George's County that's a stone's throw from the D.C. border for $225,000.

I also find it shortsighted because costs overall are much higher here..Groceries, restaurants, services of all types are built towards the demographics of the area. Next we will need an aldi, shoppers, dollar stores, subsidized medical practices to service these residents.

Then you should also be worried about the commuting costs. Once you factor in the cost of the commute from Prince George's County, that supposedly affordable housing becomes a lot less affordable.

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Because this ain't about PG County doofus. DC residents need affordable housing and it's not Angela Alsobrooks and the folks in PG County's job to take care of DC residents. Are you that stupid?

Why can't existing DC residents move to affordable PG county if they truly can't find an affordable apartment in the District? Why do they need to move to Cleveland Park instead?

Affluent DC residents leave DC all the time for Maryland. It's fine for poor people to move, too. This isn't an inherently tragic scenario.