Not Good Enough for Swim Teams

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Anonymous wrote:What to do if 12 yo child did not make ASA Jr team but wants to swim 4 times a week? Wants to be on a team? Has the capacity and genetics (both bio parents were division one athletes) to excel but needs an opportunity to be taught and practice. He has some form issues that were not addressed in once a week stroke and turn clinics. He’s currently taking private lessons. He’s signed up to tryout for RMSC in August but that’s just as doubtful. I regret not accepting offered spots on teams when he was little but can’t do anything about that now. Do you have suggestions based on experience w your child?


OP, is this about your kid wanting to become a better swimmer or you wanting to raise an athlete?


I think if her 12 yo didn’t want to swim, he wouldn’t be attending tryouts. OP didn’t mean to say she was pushing him or something


OP. Since you asked, my son has told me he wants to swim —I am attempting to help him without breaking his desire (because he’s not making it with tryouts.) If I were pushing him I’d having him play football or basketball. I am following his lead.


Is he swimming daily now? Because honestly that is going to help him make the most progress fast. So I am going to suggest a different approach than maybe the path you're on. Keep working on finding a team, because it helps and going to meets definitely is invigorating, but he needs to be swimming now all the time to improve. He should be swimming daily at your local pool. He should be doing a series of timed sets on areas of focus. Does your pool have its own swim team or does your local public have a swim team with a coach? Ask that coach (pay him/her) to help you put together a 5-day series of timed sets that he can rotate through.

He will need to be self-motivating. I look at it like when one of my kids is out in the driveway shooting hoops for an hour after he gets home from practice or another kid is throwing lax balls against the side of the garage and he doesn't stop until he's done 200.

Your son will need to push himself. This won't be coasting along swimming easily. He will need to keep decreasing the times for his reps so that he is getting to the end of a set and he feels like he can't go another stroke. He will need to be taking his heart rate to hit his target so that he knows he is going as hard as he can. He will rest to get the HR back to normal and then he starts the next set. Use your D1 skillset to help him develop the internal motivation and rigor to go it alone until he makes a team.

FWIW, I didn't begin swimming until I was around 11. It was part of my physical rehab after an accident. I literally had not been a swimmer, just a splasher, before the accident so I had to learn to float before I could even start the rehab part! However, by the time I was in high school I was nationally ranked and I could have tried out to make the Olympic team if that had been my choice. My focus was on the outcome of swimming for my body and what it meant for my physical recovery so my focus was a little different than your son's. I didn't even know about sets and once I was ably swimming my PT wasn't even around so I was mostly swimming laps and telling myself 'the next one I want to do in x seconds.' So it is true to say that for the most part I did it alone until I was good enough that I made the various high school and competitive teams. Frankly, I don't know who was more surprised by all of that, me or my parents or the team of physicians monitoring my progress!

IMO swimming is a very forgiving sport so there is no time like the present to get in there and go.


For yardage to be efficient and to swim laps/reps like that, one needs at least solid technique. But I agree- my swimmer is on a team, but somehow the most progress happens when he swims himself timing laps, each time with a new target time. There is lots of inefficiencies in swim teams - which interval the coach gives you, whether you end up in a slow or fast lane, etc. When it's self driven, the progress is easier to control and achieve.
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The YMCA swim team. They have to be able to do certain things by certain ages endurance wise but there is no time
Requirement.
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Anonymous wrote:JFD wont take him, likely. Toll is only 30 min, very expensive and won’t give him much for endurance. There are stone clad options in Virginia about 30 min drive for her (combinations of stroke and endurance, cheaper and better than any juniors in MD).


JFD takes everyone... what are you talking about?
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Anonymous wrote:JFD wont take him, likely. Toll is only 30 min, very expensive and won’t give him much for endurance. There are stone clad options in Virginia about 30 min drive for her (combinations of stroke and endurance, cheaper and better than any juniors in MD).


JFD takes everyone... what are you talking about?


30 plus minutes each way on week nights, after an hr of swim, is a stretch. Not sustainable.
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OP curious- were you and your husband swimmers or another sport? If so, what (since you mentioned it).
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Anonymous wrote:JFD wont take him, likely. Toll is only 30 min, very expensive and won’t give him much for endurance. There are stone clad options in Virginia about 30 min drive for her (combinations of stroke and endurance, cheaper and better than any juniors in MD).


JFD takes everyone... what are you talking about?


30 plus minutes each way on week nights, after an hr of swim, is a stretch. Not sustainable.


It is, if you are willing. We have done it. We had a 45 minute drive there in traffic, then 30 minutes home.
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Anonymous wrote:OP curious- were you and your husband swimmers or another sport? If so, what (since you mentioned it).


OP again. Neither of us swim!!!
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If you really want your son to swim and be successful you need to support him with driving at least for a year. I know families who drove for 2-3 years to more remote clubs just for their kids get better and be offered convenient times closer to home. US champions drive to specific coaches over 40 min because those coaches can make them do superior times, and week nights is not a bad idea for pre-teens. Training late pm is more easier on teens than 5am practices offered by most local teams, certainly gives more time for homework and friends after school. You seem like you don’t want to sacrifice your own convenience for your son
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OP, when you say he 'has some form issues" are you saying is not legal in all four strokes?

Because if he is at a least legal, there are several options.
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Anonymous wrote:JFD wont take him, likely. Toll is only 30 min, very expensive and won’t give him much for endurance. There are stone clad options in Virginia about 30 min drive for her (combinations of stroke and endurance, cheaper and better than any juniors in MD).


JFD takes everyone... what are you talking about?


30 plus minutes each way on week nights, after an hr of swim, is a stretch. Not sustainable.


It is, if you are willing. We have done it. We had a 45 minute drive there in traffic, then 30 minutes home.


30 min is fine as long as the coaching and workouts are good at that team
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Anonymous wrote:The YMCA swim team. They have to be able to do certain things by certain ages endurance wise but there is no time
Requirement.

Not true. There are time cuts at all the locations I know. They are not very aggressive but they do exist. Minis are the exception but OP's child is way too old to be a mini obviously.
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Anonymous wrote:OP, when you say he 'has some form issues" are you saying is not legal in all four strokes?

Because if he is at a least legal, there are several options.


Thanks. He is legal (I believe) in all but butterfly. He struggles w butterfly. Looks horrible. The dolphin movement is a challenge. He’s not flexible in that way.

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Anonymous wrote:JFD wont take him, likely. Toll is only 30 min, very expensive and won’t give him much for endurance. There are stone clad options in Virginia about 30 min drive for her (combinations of stroke and endurance, cheaper and better than any juniors in MD).


JFD takes everyone... what are you talking about?


30 plus minutes each way on week nights, after an hr of swim, is a stretch. Not sustainable.


It is, if you are willing. We have done it. We had a 45 minute drive there in traffic, then 30 minutes home.


30 min is fine as long as the coaching and workouts are good at that team


Okay. So if I consider it where are you and the pp recommending in VA?
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Anonymous wrote:If you really want your son to swim and be successful you need to support him with driving at least for a year. I know families who drove for 2-3 years to more remote clubs just for their kids get better and be offered convenient times closer to home. US champions drive to specific coaches over 40 min because those coaches can make them do superior times, and week nights is not a bad idea for pre-teens. Training late pm is more easier on teens than 5am practices offered by most local teams, certainly gives more time for homework and friends after school. You seem like you don’t want to sacrifice your own convenience for your son


I’m asking for recommendations. Do you have some? It’s hard to say yes with vague, non specific recommendations.
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Anonymous wrote:OP, when you say he 'has some form issues" are you saying is not legal in all four strokes?

Because if he is at a least legal, there are several options.


Thanks. He is legal (I believe) in all but butterfly. He struggles w butterfly. Looks horrible. The dolphin movement is a challenge. He’s not flexible in that way.



A lot of kids struggle with butterfly. He'll get there.
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