College Division 1 versus Division 3

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Anonymous wrote:The best players are picking the best academic schools which is why Stanford, Duke etc do so well. The best players are not picking Alabama.

Which explains Florida State's success...

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Anonymous wrote:The best players are picking the best academic schools which is why Stanford, Duke etc do so well. The best players are not picking Alabama.

Then why aren't the Ivy's all top ten soccer programs? They are also D1.

The Ivy sport may be D1, but the Ivys do not give out athletic scholarships. Only need-based aid like all other students.

It's not all need based aid, there is "merit" aid available as well --- i.e. leadership scholarships and the like.
You know who was a good leader, the captain of the soccer team...

[Anonymous]

Know a player who was tops in the DMV with a 3.3 at a strong private school and an ACT at the top of the bottom quartile of admitted students.


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Yeah --- grade inflation happens only in public schools. You think parents are gonna college tuition prices for a private school education with lower grades --- not gonna happen chief.

A 3.3 GPA probably coincides with a lower quarter percentile ACT placement --- they probably would have got a 3.3 at public school as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The best players are picking the best academic schools which is why Stanford, Duke etc do so well. The best players are not picking Alabama.

Then why aren't the Ivy's all top ten soccer programs? They are also D1.

The Ivy sport may be D1, but the Ivys do not give out athletic scholarships. Only need-based aid like all other students.

It's not all need based aid, there is "merit" aid available as well --- i.e. leadership scholarships and the like.
You know who was a good leader, the captain of the soccer team...

FWIW, just returned from a campus admission tour at an IVY. Presenter stated unequivocally, "as an Ivy League school we do not offer merit or athletic scholarships, only need-based financial aid".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FWIW, I think over a half a dozen of the Harvard men's team have represented the USA or another country at the youth level.

Nearly a dozen of them list some sort of high academic honor, such as a National Merit Scholar or an AP Scholar award.

Same program that had its season suspended a year or so back for inappropriate behavior, FWIW.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The best players are picking the best academic schools which is why Stanford, Duke etc do so well. The best players are not picking Alabama.

Then why aren't the Ivy's all top ten soccer programs? They are also D1.

The Ivy sport may be D1, but the Ivys do not give out athletic scholarships. Only need-based aid like all other students.

It's not all need based aid, there is "merit" aid available as well --- i.e. leadership scholarships and the like.
You know who was a good leader, the captain of the soccer team...

FWIW, just returned from a campus admission tour at an IVY. Presenter stated unequivocally, "as an Ivy League school we do not offer merit or athletic scholarships, only need-based financial aid".

There is a really interesting College Confidential thread going on on this subject right now: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/athletic-recruits/2149415-no-secret-athletic-money-ivy-league.html

One thing I never realized is that (according to a couple of knowledgeable posters on that thread) if you are being recruited by more than 1 Ivy, you can get a less generous Ivy to use the same financial aid calculation methodology as a more generous one. I'm not sure exactly how this works, but it could end up with families getting significantly more FA than they would otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The best players are picking the best academic schools which is why Stanford, Duke etc do so well. The best players are not picking Alabama.

Then why aren't the Ivy's all top ten soccer programs? They are also D1.

The Ivy sport may be D1, but the Ivys do not give out athletic scholarships. Only need-based aid like all other students.

It's not all need based aid, there is "merit" aid available as well --- i.e. leadership scholarships and the like.
You know who was a good leader, the captain of the soccer team...

FWIW, just returned from a campus admission tour at an IVY. Presenter stated unequivocally, "as an Ivy League school we do not offer merit or athletic scholarships, only need-based financial aid".

There is a really interesting College Confidential thread going on on this subject right now: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/athletic-recruits/2149415-no-secret-athletic-money-ivy-league.html

One thing I never realized is that (according to a couple of knowledgeable posters on that thread) if you are being recruited by more than 1 Ivy, you can get a less generous Ivy to use the same financial aid calculation methodology as a more generous one. I'm not sure exactly how this works, but it could end up with families getting significantly more FA than they would otherwise.

It comes down to how good the player is.

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Anonymous wrote:The best players are picking the best academic schools which is why Stanford, Duke etc do so well. The best players are not picking Alabama.

Then why aren't the Ivy's all top ten soccer programs? They are also D1.

The Ivy sport may be D1, but the Ivys do not give out athletic scholarships. Only need-based aid like all other students.

It's not all need based aid, there is "merit" aid available as well --- i.e. leadership scholarships and the like.
You know who was a good leader, the captain of the soccer team...

FWIW, just returned from a campus admission tour at an IVY. Presenter stated unequivocally, "as an Ivy League school we do not offer merit or athletic scholarships, only need-based financial aid".

There is a really interesting College Confidential thread going on on this subject right now: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/athletic-recruits/2149415-no-secret-athletic-money-ivy-league.html

One thing I never realized is that (according to a couple of knowledgeable posters on that thread) if you are being recruited by more than 1 Ivy, you can get a less generous Ivy to use the same financial aid calculation methodology as a more generous one. I'm not sure exactly how this works, but it could end up with families getting significantly more FA than they would otherwise.

It comes down to how good the player is.

What comes down to how good the player is?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The best players are picking the best academic schools which is why Stanford, Duke etc do so well. The best players are not picking Alabama.

Which explains Florida State's success...

Agree ... FSU, a bastion of higher learning, yeah right. Right up there with WVU (another top 10 school) and USF (top 20).

Zero Ivy League schools finished in the women's top 20 last year. Of the team's finishing in the top 20 only Stanford, Georgetown, and Duke standout as truly "best academic" schools (and two of those are overrated academically due to the money influence at those private schools). The rest are big state colleges or big private schools that are solid academically, but nothing substantially different than their counterparts. With a few exceptions, the same schools that are good at most athletics are also good at soccer. It's about the money and the importance of the athletic department at those schools.

Anyhow, your kid should short list the schools they WANT to attend based on either a focus on some particular academic subject or wide array of solid educational options in a wide variety of fields. They should also pick based on affordability as most soccer scholarships wont cover the whole deal. Then, IF they are offered something at one or more of those shorts listed schools, eliminate those that aren't, then pick the school. D1 or a lower division, whatever makes sense for them. They will most likely not be doing anything with soccer after college, so which team they end up playing on is less of a concern than which school they pick.

[Anonymous]

I agree with previous poster that STEAM degrees and sports are tough. I did engineering and D3 sport and it was not easy because of all the labs. During season it was non stop work, grad school was easy though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The best players are picking the best academic schools which is why Stanford, Duke etc do so well. The best players are not picking Alabama.

Which explains Florida State's success...

Agree ... FSU, a bastion of higher learning, yeah right. Right up there with WVU (another top 10 school) and USF (top 20).

Zero Ivy League schools finished in the women's top 20 last year. Of the team's finishing in the top 20 only Stanford, Georgetown, and Duke standout as truly "best academic" schools (and two of those are overrated academically due to the money influence at those private schools). The rest are big state colleges or big private schools that are solid academically, but nothing substantially different than their counterparts. With a few exceptions, the same schools that are good at most athletics are also good at soccer. It's about the money and the importance of the athletic department at those schools.

Anyhow, your kid should short list the schools they WANT to attend based on either a focus on some particular academic subject or wide array of solid educational options in a wide variety of fields. They should also pick based on affordability as most soccer scholarships wont cover the whole deal. Then, IF they are offered something at one or more of those shorts listed schools, eliminate those that aren't, then pick the school. D1 or a lower division, whatever makes sense for them. They will most likely not be doing anything with soccer after college, so which team they end up playing on is less of a concern than which school they pick.

Excellent advice! Students (and Mom and Dad) need to play the long game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At many schools, being a D1 athlete is a full-time job. Coaches will DEMAND to see you at practices, workouts, tactics briefings, fitness, etc without any regard to your academic pressures.

This is a very interesting survey of college athletes about their experiences. You can see the number differences between D1 and D3 and get a better idea from the data what to expect.

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/GOALS_convention_slidebank_jan2016_public.pdf

(personally, unless a professional or US National team callup is in the cards, I'd choose the best academic / career institution).

This is a weird post. “Coaches DEMAND” well yeah youre on the team. It’s your job. That’s like thinking it’s unreasonable your boss expects you to be at work. Most D1 athletes get some money. IME, coaches are very supportive of your academic career, realize it’s why you’re there at all, and put supports in place for you. I personally did much better while I was playing because of the structure. The only case I think this might be an issue is if you were really nowhere near qualified to get into the school in the first place, you have no expectation of working hard, and you’re a male star on a HUGE football or bball team.

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How many players are on a D3 Roster

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How many players are on a D3 Roster

Ballpark 24-26. 18 can travel to away games. Some are obviously higher. If you are interested you can certainly go to particular school's websites and check out the teams. They will typically have links to teams going back 10 years or more.

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Anonymous wrote:The best players are picking the best academic schools which is why Stanford, Duke etc do so well. The best players are not picking Alabama.

Then why aren't the Ivy's all top ten soccer programs? They are also D1.

The Ivy sport may be D1, but the Ivys do not give out athletic scholarships. Only need-based aid like all other students.

It's not all need based aid, there is "merit" aid available as well --- i.e. leadership scholarships and the like.
You know who was a good leader, the captain of the soccer team...

Nope.

https://money.howstuffworks.com/personal-finance/college-planning/admissions/ivy-league-admissions5.htm

"The only bad news about financial aid and scholarships at Ivy League schools is that they are entirely need-based. Ivy League schools are prohibited from offering athletic scholarships and none of the schools offer merit-based or talent-based awards."

Students can get outside merit scholarships, but none from the school. The outside merit scholarships are deducted from the need based aid.