CES Cold Spring

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The 99.99999 is about the MAP scores. Its pretty easy to score at 99% in MAP because the % is nation wide. One kid might be 99% at 205 and another kid might be 99% at 260. The kid with 260 clearly is more advanced.


Perhaps, it is but one thing we know for certain is MCPS MAP scores are not that different than the national scores because they actually publish this.

People on DCUM like to believe that MCPS kids are lighteyars ahead but they really aen't.

MCPS as a whole is not that different from the national norm but the highest performers are not equally spread out across the county. Cold Spring and its feeder schools have a disproportionate amount of high performers, You're basically an outlier on the low end of the spectrum there with a 98% and will be receiving intensive catch up services. I'm joking about the last part ..but not that much. It is unbelievable how many K show up reading years above grade level and having math skills equal to 3rd grade level. Many kids are bilingual with correct grammar in both languages. Kids of immigrants go to full day Saturday school in their home language. These schools teach math, language, writing and some science without diluting them so the kids who are already very smart also get a supplemental classroom education.

It's possible there's some truth to this but it just isn't all that special. Sure, it's likely something like 1.5 out of 100 kids in that catchment score 99%+ and other places it's closer to 1.2 out of 100. Overall, I'd suspect the kids or similar to their counterparts elsewhere in the county but simply receive more outside enrichment. There's a reason Dr. Li does drop off and pick up at this school. There's nothing wrong with that; however, don't confuse diligence with intelligence.

+1 Add AOPS and A++ by middle school. And Saturday school throughout. All that prep in that area makes for high proficiency.

[Anonymous]

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Those kids are really bright to begin with and the intensive enrichment culture makes them even more competitive.

Lots of parents with advanced degrees in the BCC/Whitman area too but the parents are more secretive so there's less outward pressure to enrich. Make no mistake most parents are doing it at home but guessing the number of hours they spend is much smaller than the Cold Spring area parents.

Many of the Asian American parents there are immigrants, and used to the prep culture. There's zero shame in it, and actually, it's expected. Whereas in the American culture, you only got outside tutors if you were behind, so there is usually a stigma attached to it.

And it's not just around here. The prep culture among the Asian immigrants is everywhere in the US. My friend out in CA told me the same thing.

I'm not judging it, just trying to explain why so many do it.

We are Asian American, not recent immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1
Those kids are really bright to begin with and the intensive enrichment culture makes them even more competitive.

Lots of parents with advanced degrees in the BCC/Whitman area too but the parents are more secretive so there's less outward pressure to enrich. Make no mistake most parents are doing it at home but guessing the number of hours they spend is much smaller than the Cold Spring area parents.

Many of the Asian American parents there are immigrants, and used to the prep culture. There's zero shame in it, and actually, it's expected. Whereas in the American culture, you only got outside tutors if you were behind, so there is usually a stigma attached to it.

And it's not just around here. The prep culture among the Asian immigrants is everywhere in the US. My friend out in CA told me the same thing.

I'm not judging it, just trying to explain why so many do it.

We are Asian American, not recent immigrants.

Yes, I think this is right. Also different cultural attitudes toward growth versus fixed mindset. Still controversial of course, but I read Asians have long believed in a growth mindset, that hard work and persistence are instrumental to intellectual and academic growth (versus fixed IQs). I will say this about the Cold Spring kids, who are mostly Asian: they have tremendous work ethics!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1
Those kids are really bright to begin with and the intensive enrichment culture makes them even more competitive.

Lots of parents with advanced degrees in the BCC/Whitman area too but the parents are more secretive so there's less outward pressure to enrich. Make no mistake most parents are doing it at home but guessing the number of hours they spend is much smaller than the Cold Spring area parents.

Many of the Asian American parents there are immigrants, and used to the prep culture. There's zero shame in it, and actually, it's expected. Whereas in the American culture, you only got outside tutors if you were behind, so there is usually a stigma attached to it.

And it's not just around here. The prep culture among the Asian immigrants is everywhere in the US. My friend out in CA told me the same thing.

I'm not judging it, just trying to explain why so many do it.

We are Asian American, not recent immigrants.

It is people moving from a cram school expectation culture to whatever it is we should call U.S. public school culture?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1
Those kids are really bright to begin with and the intensive enrichment culture makes them even more competitive.

Lots of parents with advanced degrees in the BCC/Whitman area too but the parents are more secretive so there's less outward pressure to enrich. Make no mistake most parents are doing it at home but guessing the number of hours they spend is much smaller than the Cold Spring area parents.

Many of the Asian American parents there are immigrants, and used to the prep culture. There's zero shame in it, and actually, it's expected. Whereas in the American culture, you only got outside tutors if you were behind, so there is usually a stigma attached to it.

And it's not just around here. The prep culture among the Asian immigrants is everywhere in the US. My friend out in CA told me the same thing.

I'm not judging it, just trying to explain why so many do it.

We are Asian American, not recent immigrants.

Yes, I think this is right. Also different cultural attitudes toward growth versus fixed mindset. Still controversial of course, but I read Asians have long believed in a growth mindset, that hard work and persistence are instrumental to intellectual and academic growth (versus fixed IQs). I will say this about the Cold Spring kids, who are mostly Asian: they have tremendous work ethics!

^^I believe it was a WSJ article about the culture of education in China, specifically.

[Anonymous]

I am an Chinese immigrant with elementary school age kids, never heard of this full Saturday school thing, as far as I know, most of my friends send their kids to weekend Chinese school (including myself) just to keep our kids learning Chinese. the Chinese class usually last two hours with break in between, after Chinese class, there are options of some 50 min sports class, instruments class, dancing class, some kind of traditional Chinese art class. It really serves as a culture center for us. The Chinese school runs by solely by parents volunteers (maybe very minimal compensate), as parents are all recent immigrants with English as second language, it is very hard for me to imaging they are there to teach kids reading and writing. there is also no need to go there for math because most of them have advanced degree in STEM and can teach kids at home if necessary.


[MCPS as a whole is not that different from the national norm but the highest performers are not equally spread out across the county. Cold Spring and its feeder schools have a disproportionate amount of high performers, You're basically an outlier on the low end of the spectrum there with a 98% and will be receiving intensive catch up services. I'm joking about the last part ..but not that much. It is unbelievable how many K show up reading years above grade level and having math skills equal to 3rd grade level. Many kids are bilingual with correct grammar in both languages. Kids of immigrants go to full day Saturday school in their home language. These schools teach math, language, writing and some science without diluting them so the kids who are already very smart also get a supplemental classroom education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1
Those kids are really bright to begin with and the intensive enrichment culture makes them even more competitive.

Lots of parents with advanced degrees in the BCC/Whitman area too but the parents are more secretive so there's less outward pressure to enrich. Make no mistake most parents are doing it at home but guessing the number of hours they spend is much smaller than the Cold Spring area parents.

Many of the Asian American parents there are immigrants, and used to the prep culture. There's zero shame in it, and actually, it's expected. Whereas in the American culture, you only got outside tutors if you were behind, so there is usually a stigma attached to it.

And it's not just around here. The prep culture among the Asian immigrants is everywhere in the US. My friend out in CA told me the same thing.

I'm not judging it, just trying to explain why so many do it.

We are Asian American, not recent immigrants.

It is people moving from a cram school expectation culture to whatever it is we should call U.S. public school culture?

I'm not sure what your question or point is, but different segments of the population bring in their "cultures" from their home country. This has been going on for hundreds of years in this country. For example, American music like the blues and rock and roll were heavily influenced by the African culture.

I understand many don't like it. I'm not a fan of it, either. But there are things about the "American" education culture that I don't like either, like the heavy emphasis in sports in our colleges. IMO, it really has no place in higher ed.

[Anonymous]

The self-righteousness exhibited here is astonishing: obviously the Asian way is too much, while the black/Latino way is too little, only the white is done just right. Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1
Those kids are really bright to begin with and the intensive enrichment culture makes them even more competitive.

Lots of parents with advanced degrees in the BCC/Whitman area too but the parents are more secretive so there's less outward pressure to enrich. Make no mistake most parents are doing it at home but guessing the number of hours they spend is much smaller than the Cold Spring area parents.

Many of the Asian American parents there are immigrants, and used to the prep culture. There's zero shame in it, and actually, it's expected. Whereas in the American culture, you only got outside tutors if you were behind, so there is usually a stigma attached to it.

And it's not just around here. The prep culture among the Asian immigrants is everywhere in the US. My friend out in CA told me the same thing.

I'm not judging it, just trying to explain why so many do it.

We are Asian American, not recent immigrants.

It is people moving from a cram school expectation culture to whatever it is we should call U.S. public school culture?

I'm not sure what your question or point is, but different segments of the population bring in their "cultures" from their home country. This has been going on for hundreds of years in this country. For example, American music like the blues and rock and roll were heavily influenced by the African culture.

I understand many don't like it. I'm not a fan of it, either. But there are things about the "American" education culture that I don't like either, like the heavy emphasis in sports in our colleges. IMO, it really has no place in higher ed.

Always felt the same way! It also seems like the athletes are being exploited.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1
Those kids are really bright to begin with and the intensive enrichment culture makes them even more competitive.

Lots of parents with advanced degrees in the BCC/Whitman area too but the parents are more secretive so there's less outward pressure to enrich. Make no mistake most parents are doing it at home but guessing the number of hours they spend is much smaller than the Cold Spring area parents.

Many of the Asian American parents there are immigrants, and used to the prep culture. There's zero shame in it, and actually, it's expected. Whereas in the American culture, you only got outside tutors if you were behind, so there is usually a stigma attached to it.

And it's not just around here. The prep culture among the Asian immigrants is everywhere in the US. My friend out in CA told me the same thing.

I'm not judging it, just trying to explain why so many do it.

We are Asian American, not recent immigrants.

+1
One of my friends has a child in a very Asian school at MCPS and felt shamed by the other parents for not doing more with her child academically outside of school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The self-righteousness exhibited here is astonishing: obviously the Asian way is too much, while the black/Latino way is too little, only the white is done just right. Lol

+1
This is SO RIGHT, perfect way to sum up the attitude on this board in general.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The self-righteousness exhibited here is astonishing: obviously the Asian way is too much, while the black/Latino way is too little, only the white is done just right. Lol

+1
This is SO RIGHT, perfect way to sum up the attitude on this board in general.

It’s prolly just cuz they’re gettin’ their to tushes kicked by the AsianZ and this forum is offerin’ a place for them to vent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The self-righteousness exhibited here is astonishing: obviously the Asian way is too much, while the black/Latino way is too little, only the white is done just right. Lol

+1
This is SO RIGHT, perfect way to sum up the attitude on this board in general.

Wrong. Whites push sports on their kids instead of academics. Now that is stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The self-righteousness exhibited here is astonishing: obviously the Asian way is too much, while the black/Latino way is too little, only the white is done just right. Lol

+1
This is SO RIGHT, perfect way to sum up the attitude on this board in general.

Wrong. Whites push sports on their kids instead of academics. Now that is stupid.

+1 I feel like American universities are the only ones that place a high value on athletics in colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The self-righteousness exhibited here is astonishing: obviously the Asian way is too much, while the black/Latino way is too little, only the white is done just right. Lol

+1
This is SO RIGHT, perfect way to sum up the attitude on this board in general.

Wrong. Whites push sports on their kids instead of academics. Now that is stupid.

+1 I feel like American universities are the only ones that place a high value on athletics in colleges.

Yes. Ridiculous, right? Sports represent a major source of alumni donations. It's strange that's what they value, but that's why coaches and sports programs garner a vastly disproportionate share of resources compared to academic programs and professors.