Super Fudge book outs Santa as fake

[Anonymous]

I actually think it’s more nuts that people can’t believe that children believe in Santa. Im gearing kids aren’t smart because they still believe and it’s ridiculous. Lots of parents remember the joy of Christmas and Santa as a kid and that’s why they do it for theirs. I’m starting to think all the parents who can’t believe had miserable childhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I actually think it’s more nuts that people can’t believe that children believe in Santa. Im gearing kids aren’t smart because they still believe and it’s ridiculous. Lots of parents remember the joy of Christmas and Santa as a kid and that’s why they do it for theirs. I’m starting to think all the parents who can’t believe had miserable childhoods.

I believe that kids believe in Santa. I don't believe that most fifth-graders still truly, fully believe in Santa, and I certainly don't believe that hearing that someone else doesn't think that Santa is real is going to traumatize a kid or ruin all the magic of Christmas or whatever the obsessed parents on here think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I actually think it’s more nuts that people can’t believe that children believe in Santa. Im gearing kids aren’t smart because they still believe and it’s ridiculous. Lots of parents remember the joy of Christmas and Santa as a kid and that’s why they do it for theirs. I’m starting to think all the parents who can’t believe had miserable childhoods.

That is a completely rational and proportional reaction.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually think it’s more nuts that people can’t believe that children believe in Santa. Im gearing kids aren’t smart because they still believe and it’s ridiculous. Lots of parents remember the joy of Christmas and Santa as a kid and that’s why they do it for theirs. I’m starting to think all the parents who can’t believe had miserable childhoods.

I believe that kids believe in Santa. I don't believe that most fifth-graders still truly, fully believe in Santa, and I certainly don't believe that hearing that someone else doesn't think that Santa is real is going to traumatize a kid or ruin all the magic of Christmas or whatever the obsessed parents on here think.

The issue isn't fifth-graders. It's first graders reading the book, or parents reading aloud to even younger kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Since we are talking about outing Santa... I thought I would warn people that Judy Blume's book Super Fudge totally talks about how Santa isn't real and only "babies" believe it is real. The 4 year old in the book say this.

Judy Blume- who was raised Jewish: Said that she can't imagine anyone being upset about the book, because all children know Santa isn't real......sigh.....

Wow, OP. Blame her Judaism. That’s not prejudicial at all. It couldn’t be any other reason.

I’m Jewish, and guess what? A Christian told me that Santa wasn’t real.

When you were 4?

Is your kid reading Super Fudge at 4?

I had older siblings so I pretty much never believed in Santa or the Tooth Fairy. If you pin so much importance on your kid believing a fairy tale, then yeah, you can't really be mad when the inevitable happens ...

I had older siblings so I believed in Santa and the Tooth Fairy the longest. Older siblings can take responsibility for keeping the magic alive, being in on the secret.

possibly, but you can't expect the rest of the world (including books written FORTY years ago!) to be responsible for "keeping the magic alive." You need to homeschool if you expect that level of control.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually think it’s more nuts that people can’t believe that children believe in Santa. Im gearing kids aren’t smart because they still believe and it’s ridiculous. Lots of parents remember the joy of Christmas and Santa as a kid and that’s why they do it for theirs. I’m starting to think all the parents who can’t believe had miserable childhoods.

I believe that kids believe in Santa. I don't believe that most fifth-graders still truly, fully believe in Santa, and I certainly don't believe that hearing that someone else doesn't think that Santa is real is going to traumatize a kid or ruin all the magic of Christmas or whatever the obsessed parents on here think.

The issue isn't fifth-graders. It's first graders reading the book, or parents reading aloud to even younger kids.

Parents reading a book aloud can exercise a little censorship if they desire.

A first grader who is precocious enough to be reading this book very likely knows the deal on Santa already.

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Anonymous wrote:Since we are talking about outing Santa... I thought I would warn people that Judy Blume's book Super Fudge totally talks about how Santa isn't real and only "babies" believe it is real. The 4 year old in the book say this.

Judy Blume- who was raised Jewish: Said that she can't imagine anyone being upset about the book, because all children know Santa isn't real......sigh.....

Wow, OP. Blame her Judaism. That’s not prejudicial at all. It couldn’t be any other reason.

I’m Jewish, and guess what? A Christian told me that Santa wasn’t real.

When you were 4?

Is your kid reading Super Fudge at 4?

I had older siblings so I pretty much never believed in Santa or the Tooth Fairy. If you pin so much importance on your kid believing a fairy tale, then yeah, you can't really be mad when the inevitable happens ...

I had older siblings so I believed in Santa and the Tooth Fairy the longest. Older siblings can take responsibility for keeping the magic alive, being in on the secret.

possibly, but you can't expect the rest of the world (including books written FORTY years ago!) to be responsible for "keeping the magic alive." You need to homeschool if you expect that level of control.

Umm, this thread is about one book, which is well-known as a Santa-outing book. Pointing it out for those who are unaware isn't prejudicial. It's just advice to parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since we are talking about outing Santa... I thought I would warn people that Judy Blume's book Super Fudge totally talks about how Santa isn't real and only "babies" believe it is real. The 4 year old in the book say this.

Judy Blume- who was raised Jewish: Said that she can't imagine anyone being upset about the book, because all children know Santa isn't real......sigh.....

Another holiday favorite- attacking the Jews for not playing their part in protecting Christian children from hearing a single thing about Santa, notwithstanding the onslaught of Christmas in popular culture.

BTW- Superfudge is a book for middle to late ES students. And, another PSA- Judy Blume’s books talk about other unpleasant topics you may want to shield your children from: racism (Iggie’s house) bullying (Blubber), anti-Semitism (Starring Sally J Freedman).

Lest we not forget about masturbation (Then Again, Maybe I Won't and Deenie). Pearl clutchers beware!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I actually think it’s more nuts that people can’t believe that children believe in Santa. Im gearing kids aren’t smart because they still believe and it’s ridiculous. Lots of parents remember the joy of Christmas and Santa as a kid and that’s why they do it for theirs. I’m starting to think all the parents who can’t believe had miserable childhoods.

i have an alternative take. parents who are so invested in protecting their children from age-appropriate information in order to preserve the "magic" of a single day are having miserable parenthoods and are trying to compensate with Christmas.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually think it’s more nuts that people can’t believe that children believe in Santa. Im gearing kids aren’t smart because they still believe and it’s ridiculous. Lots of parents remember the joy of Christmas and Santa as a kid and that’s why they do it for theirs. I’m starting to think all the parents who can’t believe had miserable childhoods.

I believe that kids believe in Santa. I don't believe that most fifth-graders still truly, fully believe in Santa, and I certainly don't believe that hearing that someone else doesn't think that Santa is real is going to traumatize a kid or ruin all the magic of Christmas or whatever the obsessed parents on here think.

The issue isn't fifth-graders. It's first graders reading the book, or parents reading aloud to even younger kids.

Parents reading a book aloud can exercise a little censorship if they desire.

A first grader who is precocious enough to be reading this book very likely knows the deal on Santa already.

No, not really.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Since we are talking about outing Santa... I thought I would warn people that Judy Blume's book Super Fudge totally talks about how Santa isn't real and only "babies" believe it is real. The 4 year old in the book say this.

Judy Blume- who was raised Jewish: Said that she can't imagine anyone being upset about the book, because all children know Santa isn't real......sigh.....

The book is narrated by a fifth-grade boy, and is intended for older elementary students. If, by fourth or fifth grade, your child has not ever heard anyone say that Santa isn't real, then you have other issues.

My kid read it in second. He still pretends to believe.

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Anonymous wrote:Since we are talking about outing Santa... I thought I would warn people that Judy Blume's book Super Fudge totally talks about how Santa isn't real and only "babies" believe it is real. The 4 year old in the book say this.

Judy Blume- who was raised Jewish: Said that she can't imagine anyone being upset about the book, because all children know Santa isn't real......sigh.....

Wow, OP. Blame her Judaism. That’s not prejudicial at all. It couldn’t be any other reason.

I’m Jewish, and guess what? A Christian told me that Santa wasn’t real.

When you were 4?

Is your kid reading Super Fudge at 4?

I had older siblings so I pretty much never believed in Santa or the Tooth Fairy. If you pin so much importance on your kid believing a fairy tale, then yeah, you can't really be mad when the inevitable happens ...

I had older siblings so I believed in Santa and the Tooth Fairy the longest. Older siblings can take responsibility for keeping the magic alive, being in on the secret.

possibly, but you can't expect the rest of the world (including books written FORTY years ago!) to be responsible for "keeping the magic alive." You need to homeschool if you expect that level of control.

Umm, this thread is about one book, which is well-known as a Santa-outing book. Pointing it out for those who are unaware isn't prejudicial. It's just advice to parents.

No, it's an anti-semitic complaint couched as "advice" to parents.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually think it’s more nuts that people can’t believe that children believe in Santa. Im gearing kids aren’t smart because they still believe and it’s ridiculous. Lots of parents remember the joy of Christmas and Santa as a kid and that’s why they do it for theirs. I’m starting to think all the parents who can’t believe had miserable childhoods.

I believe that kids believe in Santa. I don't believe that most fifth-graders still truly, fully believe in Santa, and I certainly don't believe that hearing that someone else doesn't think that Santa is real is going to traumatize a kid or ruin all the magic of Christmas or whatever the obsessed parents on here think.

The issue isn't fifth-graders. It's first graders reading the book, or parents reading aloud to even younger kids.

Parents reading a book aloud can exercise a little censorship if they desire.

A first grader who is precocious enough to be reading this book very likely knows the deal on Santa already.

No, not really.

rigghht. in this little corner of DCUM, our "advanced learners" somehow regress to age-inappropriate behavior. LARLA IS READING AT A SIXTH GRADE LEVEL BUT DONT YOU DARE RUIN SANTA!

[Anonymous]

Yep. I forgot about this, and discovered it while reading aloud to my son when he was about 5. The funny thing is that DH and I were both in the bed with him (I don't recall who was reading) and whoever was reading managed to edit on the spot to save the secret and we looked at each other the whole time with huge eyes.

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my kids, k and 3rd, listed to it on audio tape this summer. They heard it but never said anything. I am sure they explained it away as the character's flawed point of view. If they want to belive (mine do) they will. This is probably dorment inside them somewhere and will grow into a seed of doubt when they are ready to give santa up.