DA should play v ECNL

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Anonymous wrote:DA teams should play ECNL teams, says Anson Dorrance, legendary UNC women's head coach. Great article in Soccer America about it.
https://www.socceramerica.com/publications/article/80479/anson-dorrance-on-the-usas-u-17-womens-world-cup.html

This winter, FCV should play BRYC at the St. James. Add in Mclean, VDA, Spirit. Get US Soccer, UVA, VA Tech, Georgetown, Mason, Maryland, William & Mary, CNU, etc. coaches to come scout the local talent. St. James can get some publicity from it and showcase the new facility.

If any club leadership or coaches are listening, make it happen!

Hear hear!

And just to throw in a second idea, another thread has been talking about rel/pro. What if teams could be rel/pro between the DA and ECNL? Let something of value be at stake.

You understand that promotion relegation requires a hierarchy right? And if one of the leagues was determined to be the best league then Anson Dorance does not care about seeing games between teams in the two leagues. You understand this right?

I do. I like the idea of collecting all the teams and putting the stronger ones in one league together and the weaker ones in another. There are DA teams that can beat ECNL teams quite solidly, and there are ECNL teams that could beat DA teams just as easily.

I think it would be great to watch a ECNL team play a DA team without re-entry.

I don't personally care as long as they both follow the same re-entry rules. Either once per half like ECNL and the younger DA teams, or none.

It kinda matters.

If you don't think no re-entry does not fundamentally change game management, player management and fitness management then games between ECNL and DA following DA sub rules will not end well for most ECNL teams.

You assume that all ECNL coaches follow a model where they're trying to equalize playing time, or they're freely subbing.
Not all clubs at all levels.
Plus, if you establish what the rules are going to be ahead of time, so clubs can prepare appropriately, I don't think its as big a deal as you're trying to make it.

If clubs have to prepare appropriately then it fundamentally does matter.

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Of course it matters and anyone intelligent knows it. I’ve seen ECNL clubs sub to win so much it makes your head spin, with clown car subbing out practically the whole team so they can all sprint around like crazed gazelles for quarters of the game and stay fresh. Works well when you are even and have depth. Quantity over quality.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it matters and anyone intelligent knows it. I’ve seen ECNL clubs sub to win so much it makes your head spin, with clown car subbing out practically the whole team so they can all sprint around like crazed gazelles for quarters of the game and stay fresh. Works well when you are even and have depth. Quantity over quality.

So these ECNL clubs, they've been the only ones able to sub this way during games? The other team didn't have that option?
It also works well when you have better players and more of them.

Sounds like a DA parent who realized after dropping tens of thousands of dollars for a D1 full is getting milk money from a D3 school.
So sorry for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it matters and anyone intelligent knows it. I’ve seen ECNL clubs sub to win so much it makes your head spin, with clown car subbing out practically the whole team so they can all sprint around like crazed gazelles for quarters of the game and stay fresh. Works well when you are even and have depth. Quantity over quality.

So these ECNL clubs, they've been the only ones able to sub this way during games? The other team didn't have that option?
It also works well when you have better players and more of them.

Sounds like a DA parent who realized after dropping tens of thousands of dollars for a D1 full is getting milk money from a D3 school.
So sorry for you.

You do t understand the point or the difference in the subbing rules between the two leagues. It’s ok.

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Yes, he doesn't get it and doesn't appear to be conversant in high level soccer and the effective tactic of subbing out a deep bench of above average players to keep fresh players on the field to run.

Maybe he's bitter about the D3 milk money he's getting for his star ECNL DD.

So sorry for him.

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It's a double edged sword.

The sub rules are one reason why some of the top clubs moved back to ECNL this year. They said that it's bad for player development because it limits game minutes for players. Also it does not match college rules.

But it does help prep players for international play. The DA cares about the 20 girls nationally in each age group that will make the NT. A cynic would say the rest are cannon fodder for them.

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A cynic would argue that politics are the reason why some of those clubs moved back to ECNL. And they would be correct.

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Anonymous wrote:A cynic would argue that politics are the reason why some of those clubs moved back to ECNL. And they would be correct.

Perhaps - but it happened. Including the very best of the bunch such as LAFC Slammers - their 18/19 DA National Champion.

Now ECNL can offer the best competition on the national stage, attract top D1 scouts, and offer college friendly programming such as sub rules and showcases with multiple games per day.

I get why DA parents are upset. They thought they would have the clear top tier but instead they may be in the second tier.

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Anonymous wrote:A cynic would argue that politics are the reason why some of those clubs moved back to ECNL. And they would be correct.

Perhaps - but it happened. Including the very best of the bunch such as LAFC Slammers - their 18/19 DA National Champion.

Now ECNL can offer the best competition on the national stage, attract top D1 scouts, and offer college friendly programming such as sub rules and showcases with multiple games per day.

I get why DA parents are upset. They thought they would have the clear top tier but instead they may be in the second tier.

Second tier does not include 95% of the NT players, but nice try. I get it, there are lots of nostalgic ECNLers who don’t want to lose their grip on the reins of power. The problem is you’ve been around for 10 years and all of the fault you want to pin on the DA actual falls back to ECNL when focusing on the u20 and u17 GNTs. Born and bred in ECNL land.

A few clubs don’t make or break DA either, especially those who left last year. Curious, how can the slammers be 2019 “DA champion” when they left after the 17/18 season?

Answer: you are full of it.

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Anonymous wrote:A cynic would argue that politics are the reason why some of those clubs moved back to ECNL. And they would be correct.

Perhaps - but it happened. Including the very best of the bunch such as LAFC Slammers - their 18/19 DA National Champion.

Now ECNL can offer the best competition on the national stage, attract top D1 scouts, and offer college friendly programming such as sub rules and showcases with multiple games per day.

I get why DA parents are upset. They thought they would have the clear top tier but instead they may be in the second tier.

Second tier does not include 95% of the NT players, but nice try. I get it, there are lots of nostalgic ECNLers who don’t want to lose their grip on the reins of power. The problem is you’ve been around for 10 years and all of the fault you want to pin on the DA actual falls back to ECNL when focusing on the u20 and u17 GNTs. Born and bred in ECNL land.

A few clubs don’t make or break DA either, especially those who left last year. Curious, how can the slammers be 2019 “DA champion” when they left after the 17/18 season?

Answer: you are full of it.

Ah but it might be second tier if the overall talent is lower. That's the issue. DA will definitely include the NT talent. US Soccer will move them to DA. But what if the competition is poor? Then DA becomes the new ODP.

That very issue could be happening in the DMV where WS, FCV and ARL are turning out to be not as strong as McLean, Loudoun, Bethesda. Both locally and in the level of play in their division.

You are correct Slammers were 17/18 Champion. US Soccer downplayed that news on their site once they accounced they were leaving. It's all about the show.

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Anonymous wrote:A cynic would argue that politics are the reason why some of those clubs moved back to ECNL. And they would be correct.

Perhaps - but it happened. Including the very best of the bunch such as LAFC Slammers - their 18/19 DA National Champion.

Now ECNL can offer the best competition on the national stage, attract top D1 scouts, and offer college friendly programming such as sub rules and showcases with multiple games per day.

I get why DA parents are upset. They thought they would have the clear top tier but instead they may be in the second tier.

Second tier does not include 95% of the NT players, but nice try. I get it, there are lots of nostalgic ECNLers who don’t want to lose their grip on the reins of power. The problem is you’ve been around for 10 years and all of the fault you want to pin on the DA actual falls back to ECNL when focusing on the u20 and u17 GNTs. Born and bred in ECNL land.

A few clubs don’t make or break DA either, especially those who left last year. Curious, how can the slammers be 2019 “DA champion” when they left after the 17/18 season?

Answer: you are full of it.

Ah but it might be second tier if the overall talent is lower. That's the issue. DA will definitely include the NT talent. US Soccer will move them to DA. But what if the competition is poor? Then DA becomes the new ODP.

That very issue could be happening in the DMV where WS, FCV and ARL are turning out to be not as strong as McLean, Loudoun, Bethesda. Both locally and in the level of play in their division.

You are correct Slammers were 17/18 Champion. US Soccer downplayed that news on their site once they accounced they were leaving. It's all about the show.

This is your opinion, on the area clubs. There isn't a track record yet in the younger ages to make that detemination. The older ages are legacy ECNL, so there really can't be a comparison there. Most of those kids wouldn't have any benefit to switching. 2005 and younger will be the only place to start a comparison, which won't be ready for several years after several competitions between groups.

Again, you are still full of it.

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Anonymous wrote:A cynic would argue that politics are the reason why some of those clubs moved back to ECNL. And they would be correct.

Perhaps - but it happened. Including the very best of the bunch such as LAFC Slammers - their 18/19 DA National Champion.

Now ECNL can offer the best competition on the national stage, attract top D1 scouts, and offer college friendly programming such as sub rules and showcases with multiple games per day.

I get why DA parents are upset. They thought they would have the clear top tier but instead they may be in the second tier.

Second tier does not include 95% of the NT players, but nice try. I get it, there are lots of nostalgic ECNLers who don’t want to lose their grip on the reins of power. The problem is you’ve been around for 10 years and all of the fault you want to pin on the DA actual falls back to ECNL when focusing on the u20 and u17 GNTs. Born and bred in ECNL land.

A few clubs don’t make or break DA either, especially those who left last year. Curious, how can the slammers be 2019 “DA champion” when they left after the 17/18 season?

Answer: you are full of it.

Ah but it might be second tier if the overall talent is lower. That's the issue. DA will definitely include the NT talent. US Soccer will move them to DA. But what if the competition is poor? Then DA becomes the new ODP.

That very issue could be happening in the DMV where WS, FCV and ARL are turning out to be not as strong as McLean, Loudoun, Bethesda. Both locally and in the level of play in their division.

You are correct Slammers were 17/18 Champion. US Soccer downplayed that news on their site once they accounced they were leaving. It's all about the show.

This is your opinion, on the area clubs. There isn't a track record yet in the younger ages to make that detemination. The older ages are legacy ECNL, so there really can't be a comparison there. Most of those kids wouldn't have any benefit to switching. 2005 and younger will be the only place to start a comparison, which won't be ready for several years after several competitions between groups.

Again, you are still full of it.

More denial. There is a track record in the younger ages between these clubs. The ECNL clubs are stronger. Even the DA club parents know that. That's why they are recruiting so hard for these players to come over. The question is not who has the best talent, the question is whether the talent moves or not.

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Anonymous wrote:A cynic would argue that politics are the reason why some of those clubs moved back to ECNL. And they would be correct.

Perhaps - but it happened. Including the very best of the bunch such as LAFC Slammers - their 18/19 DA National Champion.

Now ECNL can offer the best competition on the national stage, attract top D1 scouts, and offer college friendly programming such as sub rules and showcases with multiple games per day.

I get why DA parents are upset. They thought they would have the clear top tier but instead they may be in the second tier.

Second tier does not include 95% of the NT players, but nice try. I get it, there are lots of nostalgic ECNLers who don’t want to lose their grip on the reins of power. The problem is you’ve been around for 10 years and all of the fault you want to pin on the DA actual falls back to ECNL when focusing on the u20 and u17 GNTs. Born and bred in ECNL land.

A few clubs don’t make or break DA either, especially those who left last year. Curious, how can the slammers be 2019 “DA champion” when they left after the 17/18 season?

Answer: you are full of it.

Ah but it might be second tier if the overall talent is lower. That's the issue. DA will definitely include the NT talent. US Soccer will move them to DA. But what if the competition is poor? Then DA becomes the new ODP.

That very issue could be happening in the DMV where WS, FCV and ARL are turning out to be not as strong as McLean, Loudoun, Bethesda. Both locally and in the level of play in their division.

You are correct Slammers were 17/18 Champion. US Soccer downplayed that news on their site once they accounced they were leaving. It's all about the show.

This is your opinion, on the area clubs. There isn't a track record yet in the younger ages to make that detemination. The older ages are legacy ECNL, so there really can't be a comparison there. Most of those kids wouldn't have any benefit to switching. 2005 and younger will be the only place to start a comparison, which won't be ready for several years after several competitions between groups.

Again, you are still full of it.

More denial. There is a track record in the younger ages between these clubs. The ECNL clubs are stronger. Even the DA club parents know that. That's why they are recruiting so hard for these players to come over. The question is not who has the best talent, the question is whether the talent moves or not.

Some does and some does not. Stinks having both these leagues. One needs to go. No one cares which one except for the employees.

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Anonymous wrote:A cynic would argue that politics are the reason why some of those clubs moved back to ECNL. And they would be correct.

Perhaps - but it happened. Including the very best of the bunch such as LAFC Slammers - their 18/19 DA National Champion.

Now ECNL can offer the best competition on the national stage, attract top D1 scouts, and offer college friendly programming such as sub rules and showcases with multiple games per day.

I get why DA parents are upset. They thought they would have the clear top tier but instead they may be in the second tier.

Second tier does not include 95% of the NT players, but nice try. I get it, there are lots of nostalgic ECNLers who don’t want to lose their grip on the reins of power. The problem is you’ve been around for 10 years and all of the fault you want to pin on the DA actual falls back to ECNL when focusing on the u20 and u17 GNTs. Born and bred in ECNL land.

A few clubs don’t make or break DA either, especially those who left last year. Curious, how can the slammers be 2019 “DA champion” when they left after the 17/18 season?

Answer: you are full of it.

I live in MA. Every girl on the YNT's (U15. U17) from our State plays for FC Stars, who left DA after one season. The club's top players did not want to give up HS soccer. For the year they had both ECNL and GDA teams, many of the best players opted for ECNL.

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Anonymous wrote:A cynic would argue that politics are the reason why some of those clubs moved back to ECNL. And they would be correct.

Perhaps - but it happened. Including the very best of the bunch such as LAFC Slammers - their 18/19 DA National Champion.

Now ECNL can offer the best competition on the national stage, attract top D1 scouts, and offer college friendly programming such as sub rules and showcases with multiple games per day.

I get why DA parents are upset. They thought they would have the clear top tier but instead they may be in the second tier.

Second tier does not include 95% of the NT players, but nice try. I get it, there are lots of nostalgic ECNLers who don’t want to lose their grip on the reins of power. The problem is you’ve been around for 10 years and all of the fault you want to pin on the DA actual falls back to ECNL when focusing on the u20 and u17 GNTs. Born and bred in ECNL land.

A few clubs don’t make or break DA either, especially those who left last year. Curious, how can the slammers be 2019 “DA champion” when they left after the 17/18 season?

Answer: you are full of it.

I live in MA. Every girl on the YNT's (U15. U17) from our State plays for FC Stars, who left DA after one season. The club's top players did not want to give up HS soccer. For the year they had both ECNL and GDA teams, many of the best players opted for ECNL.

Correction--forgot about an outstanding player on U15 YNT who plays for South Shore Select--they don't have ECNL or GDA.