New thread for the OIG request for 3 years of residency data for all schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools have every incentive to keep warm bodies in the seats so they can continue getting funds for each child.

If the OIG really makes a meaningful impact and roots out fraud, I think we will see some degree of school consolidation and closing down of certain fly-by-night charters.

Agreed - expect charter leaders to fight this tooth and nail. Lots of city planners have no idea where all the kids have been coming from - even with the gentrifiers baby boom.

One of my biggest issues is that the fraud completely screws up city planning. How are we to open more schools to meet demand when we don't even know where the demand is needed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools have every incentive to keep warm bodies in the seats so they can continue getting funds for each child.

If the OIG really makes a meaningful impact and roots out fraud, I think we will see some degree of school consolidation and closing down of certain fly-by-night charters.

Agreed - expect charter leaders to fight this tooth and nail. Lots of city planners have no idea where all the kids have been coming from - even with the gentrifiers baby boom.

One of my biggest issues is that the fraud completely screws up city planning. How are we to open more schools to meet demand when we don't even know where the demand is needed?

Even without fraud facilities planning would be screwed up.

[Anonymous]

+1. DCPS sucks at planning to manage capacity at high-demand schools. It's not hard to find evidence of this at elementary schools where Maryland address cheaters are hardly seen. E.g. Janney had a big renovation just a few years ago, but new classroom trailers will be used in the fall because the school is already out of classroom space. Brent just got 2 classroom trailers on its small playground (without room for any more) with no major renovation scheduled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1. DCPS sucks at planning to manage capacity at high-demand schools. It's not hard to find evidence of this at elementary schools where Maryland address cheaters are hardly seen. E.g. Janney had a big renovation just a few years ago, but new classroom trailers will be used in the fall because the school is already out of classroom space. Brent just got 2 classroom trailers on its small playground (without room for any more) with no major renovation scheduled.

This is nuts. DCPS needs to get rid of sibling preference for any OOB student at high-demand, over capacity schools. The Eaton expansion will likely be at capacity by the time the kids return.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1. DCPS sucks at planning to manage capacity at high-demand schools. It's not hard to find evidence of this at elementary schools where Maryland address cheaters are hardly seen. E.g. Janney had a big renovation just a few years ago, but new classroom trailers will be used in the fall because the school is already out of classroom space. Brent just got 2 classroom trailers on its small playground (without room for any more) with no major renovation scheduled.

And yet, Janney has made 2 offers to K OOB students and 1 offer to a 3rd grade student on its waitlist (per MSDC, by June).

The principal apparently doesn't agree that the school is 'out of classroom space.'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1. DCPS sucks at planning to manage capacity at high-demand schools. It's not hard to find evidence of this at elementary schools where Maryland address cheaters are hardly seen. E.g. Janney had a big renovation just a few years ago, but new classroom trailers will be used in the fall because the school is already out of classroom space. Brent just got 2 classroom trailers on its small playground (without room for any more) with no major renovation scheduled.

Are you sure about this? I thought Janney reduced the #of PreK classes and is reducing the # of 5th grade classes to accommodate space constraints.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1. DCPS sucks at planning to manage capacity at high-demand schools. It's not hard to find evidence of this at elementary schools where Maryland address cheaters are hardly seen. E.g. Janney had a big renovation just a few years ago, but new classroom trailers will be used in the fall because the school is already out of classroom space. Brent just got 2 classroom trailers on its small playground (without room for any more) with no major renovation scheduled.

And yet, Janney has made 2 offers to K OOB students and 1 offer to a 3rd grade student on its waitlist (per MSDC, by June).

The principal apparently doesn't agree that the school is 'out of classroom space.'

Those could be early stages spots though, right?

[Anonymous]

They just need to end OOB lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools have every incentive to keep warm bodies in the seats so they can continue getting funds for each child.

If the OIG really makes a meaningful impact and roots out fraud, I think we will see some degree of school consolidation and closing down of certain fly-by-night charters.

Agreed - expect charter leaders to fight this tooth and nail. Lots of city planners have no idea where all the kids have been coming from - even with the gentrifiers baby boom.

A lot of more mediocre charters stay afloat padded by these cheaters from MD. It would be so amazing if they really manage to pull an Ellington on them all! Close them down, make room (literally - make buildings available) for the better schools to expand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools have every incentive to keep warm bodies in the seats so they can continue getting funds for each child.

If the OIG really makes a meaningful impact and roots out fraud, I think we will see some degree of school consolidation and closing down of certain fly-by-night charters.

Agreed - expect charter leaders to fight this tooth and nail. Lots of city planners have no idea where all the kids have been coming from - even with the gentrifiers baby boom.

A lot of more mediocre charters stay afloat padded by these cheaters from MD. It would be so amazing if they really manage to pull an Ellington on them all! Close them down, make room (literally - make buildings available) for the better schools to expand.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools have every incentive to keep warm bodies in the seats so they can continue getting funds for each child.

If the OIG really makes a meaningful impact and roots out fraud, I think we will see some degree of school consolidation and closing down of certain fly-by-night charters.

Agreed - expect charter leaders to fight this tooth and nail. Lots of city planners have no idea where all the kids have been coming from - even with the gentrifiers baby boom.

A lot of more mediocre charters stay afloat padded by these cheaters from MD. It would be so amazing if they really manage to pull an Ellington on them all! Close them down, make room (literally - make buildings available) for the better schools to expand.

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And so do the mediocre to bad DCPS schools.

Honestly i think at least 15% of students don't live in DC.

[Anonymous]

I know this has been mentioned, but why were tax records ruled out for residency proof? Isn't the bottom line that if you pay DC taxes, you're a resident? Or no? I'm sure if some are exempt they still have to file; or they could be in another city system/backup method to verify.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1. DCPS sucks at planning to manage capacity at high-demand schools. It's not hard to find evidence of this at elementary schools where Maryland address cheaters are hardly seen. E.g. Janney had a big renovation just a few years ago, but new classroom trailers will be used in the fall because the school is already out of classroom space. Brent just got 2 classroom trailers on its small playground (without room for any more) with no major renovation scheduled.

And yet, Janney has made 2 offers to K OOB students and 1 offer to a 3rd grade student on its waitlist (per MSDC, by June).

The principal apparently doesn't agree that the school is 'out of classroom space.'

I think I can provide some context for why these sorts of offers happen. Let's say that the "normal" cohort size for a school is 70 kids/grade, so a school has 3 classrooms/grade. Suddenly, there's a spike, and you've got 78 kids for a year. The principal creates a 4th classroom for that grade and then needs to pull a few kids off the waitlist to fill them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not just DCPS, I know residency cheaters at Breakthrough, Bridges and Bethune.

OIG's request asked OSSE for info on every public school student -- charters and DCPS.

Breakthrough and Shepherd had high percentages of problematic residency documents in the 2017-18 audit.

Will these schools still have these problems?

I know for a fact that Breakthrough has changed their enrollment process. Any error on the form means you have to complete a new form. 3 if the issues were Froms filled out incorrectly. They also only have 100 kids so their percentage would be higher because of the size of the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1. DCPS sucks at planning to manage capacity at high-demand schools. It's not hard to find evidence of this at elementary schools where Maryland address cheaters are hardly seen. E.g. Janney had a big renovation just a few years ago, but new classroom trailers will be used in the fall because the school is already out of classroom space. Brent just got 2 classroom trailers on its small playground (without room for any more) with no major renovation scheduled.

And yet, Janney has made 2 offers to K OOB students and 1 offer to a 3rd grade student on its waitlist (per MSDC, by June).

The principal apparently doesn't agree that the school is 'out of classroom space.'

I'm so tired of idiotic posts like this.

Janey had a bunch of 3rd grade classrooms with 22 and one with 21 students. So they made one offer to give a kid a better shot at life.

It does not affect overcrowding at the classroom level. They could not move all 21 3rd graders into other classes.