Compromsie Solution for Illegal Immigrants

[Anonymous]

Everyone wants a better life for their family. That fact alone is not grounds for immigration.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

Step 2: ANYONE associated with MS-13 is also deported.

Step 3: Anyone who has not completed high school and is 21+ is also deported. They are drains on our society.

Step 4: Fortify the border so that no additional illegal immigrants come in (and particularly to keep the newly deported criminal aliens from crossing bwck over).

In return, ALL remaining illegal immigrants will be granted permanent resident status, with a card that allows them to be legally employed and pay income taxes. There will be no voting privileges, but they are free to come out of the shadows.

A few questions.

--who determines using what criteria that there is an "association" with MS-13?

--on what basis do you conclude that not having completed high school is a drain on society?

Answers:

- Congress can create a law defining MS-13 gang association. And let's err on the side of caution - even MS-13 tattoos should be enlighten of kick them out.
- High school dropouts are more likely to commit crime, be impoverished, and collect welfare benefits.

NP.

What about former gang members who are tattooed but have left the gang?

HS dropouts may also be more likely to fill "safety-net"-type jobs that American citizens don't seem to want: low-wage, seasonal, hourly. If they are working in a job and contributing, does their HS resume matter?

Unfortunately, some "good" illegal aliens* may be caught up in this, but remember - they shouldn't have been here in the first place - and it's more important to Americans' interests that we err on the more aggressive side and get the "loser" types out. What's happening is that liberals are more concerned about the interests' of illegal aliens than the good of American society, and we see that in their efforts to "protect" the illegals. Enough is enough.

*I've gone back to using the term illegal alien, which is technically correct, because liberals are conflating illegal with legal immigrants and failing to distinguish between the two in discussions. We solve this by getting the technically erroneous word "immigrant" out of discussion involving people who crossed the border illegally.

You are a frightening and hideous human being! They’re people...with families who are desperately looking for a better life. America’s drug appetite has destroyed their country.

I never said they weren't human beings. Just like a liberal to start slinging insults when someone disagrees with their stance on illegal aliens.

And just because they want better for their family doesn't entitle them to break our laws in coming to this country. (Although I see you blamed America for their problems. Just like a liberal to cast America as the "bad" one.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

Step 2: ANYONE associated with MS-13 is also deported.

Step 3: Anyone who has not completed high school and is 21+ is also deported. They are drains on our society.

Step 4: Fortify the border so that no additional illegal immigrants come in (and particularly to keep the newly deported criminal aliens from crossing bwck over).

In return, ALL remaining illegal immigrants will be granted permanent resident status, with a card that allows them to be legally employed and pay income taxes. There will be no voting privileges, but they are free to come out of the shadows.

And businesses should face fiercer consequences if employing illegal immigrants. Businesses employing them is the reason they come over.

Also remaining illegals should only be granted perm status if they have no prior scuffles with the law and have been here a significant amount of time say 20 years or more.

[Anonymous]

No compromise. Watch the aggressiveness - do you want this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlDpIiKMyvM

[Anonymous]

Trump tweeted DACA is dead. He blames the Dems but we all know that’s stupid.

[Anonymous]

I think this is a decent plan overall and most reasonable democrats and republicans could agree to it. Get rid of the gang affiliated and criminals, grant a one time, permanent legal status for the rest (with no way to convert to citizenship later), and fortify the border. I still don’t agree with the border wall because it has “expensive government boondoggle waste of taxpayer money” written all over it though, but there are different ways of border protection. The permanent legal status would be given ONE TIME ONLY to illegal immigrants who are already in the country as of a certain date. All later arrivals would be subject to deportation.

[Anonymous]

Trump is tweeting and his tweets expose his sheer ignorance and will to be divisive on this issue.

I agree with the overarching premise of the thread, but I want to know what SPECIFIC changes or legislative initiative the President is asking for?

The wall is stupid. Border Patrol prefers to use drones and other monitoring devices, and the fact is, there aren't hordes of Latinos pouring over the border. It just doesn't work that way.

Additionally, with respect to the drugs, our opioid issue is much worse than anything else right now, and that is on our legal pharacuetical industry, not illegal drugs pouring over the border as Trump would suggest.

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Anonymous wrote:No need to repeal the 14th amendment. It's simply being misapplied.

", and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,"

Why is the comma in front of the and important? The meaning doesn't seem to change to me.

Not PP but with the commas it can be interpreted as the people in the bolded clause being different people as "all persons born or naturalized" because the commas create separate clauses. Meaning you could interpret it as 2 groups being granted the rights vis a vis being 'citizens' -- people are born or naturalized citizens, and those who reside here and are subject to the laws here.

"all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the States wherein they reside."

No this is clearly not how English works. An "and" is an "and", and does not take on the meaning of "or" just because you placed a comma in front of it. The entire clause falls apart in terms of making sense if the meaning is interpreted as proposed. Very clearly, being born or naturalized in the US are not enough for citizenship if the person choose to not be subject to US jurisdiction, such as by renouncing their citizenship. The act of renouncing citizenship is specifically for breaking subjecthood, which is what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means. If the clause is to be interpreted in the proposed manner, then any US born or naturalized citizen will be citizens forever, which is clearly not the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a decent plan overall and most reasonable democrats and republicans could agree to it. Get rid of the gang affiliated and criminals, grant a one time, permanent legal status for the rest (with no way to convert to citizenship later), and fortify the border. I still don’t agree with the border wall because it has “expensive government boondoggle waste of taxpayer money” written all over it though, but there are different ways of border protection. The permanent legal status would be given ONE TIME ONLY to illegal immigrants who are already in the country as of a certain date. All later arrivals would be subject to deportation.

I could go for that, but with one additional caveat: Illegals who are eventually converted to citizenship have a "restricted" citizenship: no votes, and no taxpayer entitlement programs. Yes, it's a secondary form of citizenship, but if they want "full cititzenship," they have to go back and do it the right way - like so many millions of others have done. Otherwise, it's a real slap in the face to immigrants who obeyed our laws.

Rather than call this citizenship, though, I'd prefer to just call it permanent legal residence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

HA! You think policy makers care what the people want? Prison systems haul in billions of dollars, as well as all the public salaries and pensions attached to it. It's a $ maker - that's *all* it's about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How's this:

Step 1: All criminal aliens in jail are deported. (We have a space crisis in America's prisons, so why are we wasting resources on criminals who shouldn't be here in the first place?)

HA! You think policy makers care what the people want? Prison systems haul in billions of dollars, as well as all the public salaries and pensions attached to it. It's a $ maker - that's *all* it's about.

Also good luck getting State Dept. idiots to negotiate expelling all these foreigners.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is a decent plan overall and most reasonable democrats and republicans could agree to it. Get rid of the gang affiliated and criminals, grant a one time, permanent legal status for the rest (with no way to convert to citizenship later), and fortify the border. I still don’t agree with the border wall because it has “expensive government boondoggle waste of taxpayer money” written all over it though, but there are different ways of border protection. The permanent legal status would be given ONE TIME ONLY to illegal immigrants who are already in the country as of a certain date. All later arrivals would be subject to deportation.

I could go for that, but with one additional caveat: Illegals who are eventually converted to citizenship have a "restricted" citizenship: no votes, and no taxpayer entitlement programs. Yes, it's a secondary form of citizenship, but if they want "full cititzenship," they have to go back and do it the right way - like so many millions of others have done. Otherwise, it's a real slap in the face to immigrants who obeyed our laws.

Rather than call this citizenship, though, I'd prefer to just call it permanent legal residence.

We already have permanent resident status, AKA green card. Lets just use the mechanism that we already have in place for this sort of thing. Not all green card holders are eligible for citizenship status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump is tweeting and his tweets expose his sheer ignorance and will to be divisive on this issue.

I agree with the overarching premise of the thread, but I want to know what SPECIFIC changes or legislative initiative the President is asking for?

The wall is stupid. Border Patrol prefers to use drones and other monitoring devices, and the fact is, there aren't hordes of Latinos pouring over the border. It just doesn't work that way.

Additionally, with respect to the drugs, our opioid issue is much worse than anything else right now, and that is on our legal pharacuetical industry, not illegal drugs pouring over the border as Trump would suggest.

He is truly the dumbest an alive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is a decent plan overall and most reasonable democrats and republicans could agree to it. Get rid of the gang affiliated and criminals, grant a one time, permanent legal status for the rest (with no way to convert to citizenship later), and fortify the border. I still don’t agree with the border wall because it has “expensive government boondoggle waste of taxpayer money” written all over it though, but there are different ways of border protection. The permanent legal status would be given ONE TIME ONLY to illegal immigrants who are already in the country as of a certain date. All later arrivals would be subject to deportation.

I could go for that, but with one additional caveat: Illegals who are eventually converted to citizenship have a "restricted" citizenship: no votes, and no taxpayer entitlement programs. Yes, it's a secondary form of citizenship, but if they want "full cititzenship," they have to go back and do it the right way - like so many millions of others have done. Otherwise, it's a real slap in the face to immigrants who obeyed our laws.

Rather than call this citizenship, though, I'd prefer to just call it permanent legal residence.

which we already have

[Anonymous]

Democratic leaders chose the two birds in the bush instead of the bird in the hand.

There is nothing to negotiate. Deal with it in committee after the election. You broke it, you own it.