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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No need to repeal the 14th amendment. It's simply being misapplied.

", and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,"[/quote]

Why is the comma in front of the and important? The meaning doesn't seem to change to me. [/quote]
Not PP but [i]with [/i]the commas it can be interpreted as the people in the bolded clause being different people as "all persons born or naturalized" because the commas create separate clauses. Meaning you could interpret it as 2 groups being granted the rights vis a vis being 'citizens' -- people are born or naturalized citizens, and those who reside here and are subject to the laws here.

"all persons born or naturalized in the United States[b], and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,[/b] are citizens of the United States and the States wherein they reside."[/quote]

No this is clearly not how English works. An "and" is an "and", and does not take on the meaning of "or" just because you placed a comma in front of it. The entire clause falls apart in terms of making sense if the meaning is interpreted as proposed. Very clearly, being born or naturalized in the US are not enough for citizenship if the person choose to not be subject to US jurisdiction, such as by renouncing their citizenship. The act of renouncing citizenship is specifically for breaking subjecthood, which is what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means. If the clause is to be interpreted in the proposed manner, then any US born or naturalized citizen will be citizens forever, which is clearly not the case. [/quote]

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