Are private schools immoral

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah click-bait

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/12/progressives-are-undermining-public-schools/548084/

I am a moderate republican and I actually kind of agree with her points

If you call yourself a liberal/progressive and don't go to your neighborhood school, or go private or charter instead. You are a hypocrite

It's why I'm not a liberal. At the end of the day you send your kid to the best school.... anyone who doesn't is kidding themselves

"This" is the reason you are not liberal? Doubtful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Segregation has to do more with class than race now. My husband and I are Latinos and our two kids look stereotypically Latino (brown hair, brown eyes, tan skin). We are middle class and both have graduate degrees. I don't think any white families have a problem with us being at our predominantly white school. I don't send my kids to a predominately Latino school because we haven't found one that doesn't have a majority of kids who live in poverty. My kids pick up vocabulary and concepts being around other kids with educated parents.

THIS. I do not send my child to our zoned school because the majority of kids who attend are poor and the administration values test scores over learning. So yes, we chose a school that offers a better curriculum and a more diverse student body (some wealthy, most middle class, some poor). If I had it my way, every child would have that opportunity. But the systemic changes needed are far too large for any one person or any one community to fix on their own.

Did you attend your local zoned school before making that choice?

Met with the principal one-on-one. All she could talk about was test scores. I didn't know if it was a district thing (maybe some parents like that?). So I visited a few other area public schools to see how they 'felt'; discussions there focused on curriculum, activities, parental involvement. Which would you choose?

You are exactly the kind of white parent that Hannah-Jones is talking about. The principal of a majority minority school tells you that kids do well at that school, as defined by test scores, and you decide that school is too focused on testing. Whereas majority white schools have the freedom to sell themselves based on other criteria because no one is worried about test scores at a majority white school. Even if the scores are lowish, you just tell yourself that it is because they aren't teaching to the test.

So you avoid your local public, the school that your neighbors use, because it "isn't a good fit." This is the problem. I'm so glad that we're talking about it now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Segregation has to do more with class than race now. My husband and I are Latinos and our two kids look stereotypically Latino (brown hair, brown eyes, tan skin). We are middle class and both have graduate degrees. I don't think any white families have a problem with us being at our predominantly white school. I don't send my kids to a predominately Latino school because we haven't found one that doesn't have a majority of kids who live in poverty. My kids pick up vocabulary and concepts being around other kids with educated parents.

THIS. I do not send my child to our zoned school because the majority of kids who attend are poor and the administration values test scores over learning. So yes, we chose a school that offers a better curriculum and a more diverse student body (some wealthy, most middle class, some poor). If I had it my way, every child would have that opportunity. But the systemic changes needed are far too large for any one person or any one community to fix on their own.

Did you attend your local zoned school before making that choice?

Met with the principal one-on-one. All she could talk about was test scores. I didn't know if it was a district thing (maybe some parents like that?). So I visited a few other area public schools to see how they 'felt'; discussions there focused on curriculum, activities, parental involvement. Which would you choose?

You are exactly the kind of white parent that Hannah-Jones is talking about. The principal of a majority minority school tells you that kids do well at that school, as defined by test scores, and you decide that school is too focused on testing. Whereas majority white schools have the freedom to sell themselves based on other criteria because no one is worried about test scores at a majority white school. Even if the scores are lowish, you just tell yourself that it is because they aren't teaching to the test.

So you avoid your local public, the school that your neighbors use, because it "isn't a good fit." This is the problem. I'm so glad that we're talking about it now.

Thank you for saying that so well. Parents are obsessed with a school's GS "score" to the point that they will only move to boundaries with high "scores" but then dismiss schools for taking test scores seriously. You know why private schools don't have to take test scores seriously? Because no one ever knows how their kids perform so they can totally control their own image and marketing. Parents can simply assume all privates are better, without ever considering real performance data.

[Anonymous]

I'm on the flip side of things. I live in a school cluster that is a majority Asian, and the culture of the school feels way too competitive. So I've sent my kid to a small private school that feels more middle of the road to me. I know it's completely racist, in that I prefer what I feel is an academic pace more in line with what I know as a white American. Most of the families in the neighborhood are immigrants, and there is high pressure on the kids to excel. I should aspire to that, I suppose. But I don't.

We are moving to the Clarksburg High cluster soon, mostly to get out of this rat race here in North Potomac. Whites will still be a minority in the school, but the overall ethnic and economic composition is vastly different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm on the flip side of things. I live in a school cluster that is a majority Asian, and the culture of the school feels way too competitive. So I've sent my kid to a small private school that feels more middle of the road to me. I know it's completely racist, in that I prefer what I feel is an academic pace more in line with what I know as a white American. Most of the families in the neighborhood are immigrants, and there is high pressure on the kids to excel. I should aspire to that, I suppose. But I don't.

We are moving to the Clarksburg High cluster soon, mostly to get out of this rat race here in North Potomac. Whites will still be a minority in the school, but the overall ethnic and economic composition is vastly different.

You should read this article, about white families fleeing majority Asian neighborhoods/schools because they can't hack the competition: https://psmag.com/news/ghosts-of-white-people-past-witnessing-white-flight-from-an-asian-ethnoburb

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Segregation has to do more with class than race now. My husband and I are Latinos and our two kids look stereotypically Latino (brown hair, brown eyes, tan skin). We are middle class and both have graduate degrees. I don't think any white families have a problem with us being at our predominantly white school. I don't send my kids to a predominately Latino school because we haven't found one that doesn't have a majority of kids who live in poverty. My kids pick up vocabulary and concepts being around other kids with educated parents.

THIS. I do not send my child to our zoned school because the majority of kids who attend are poor and the administration values test scores over learning. So yes, we chose a school that offers a better curriculum and a more diverse student body (some wealthy, most middle class, some poor). If I had it my way, every child would have that opportunity. But the systemic changes needed are far too large for any one person or any one community to fix on their own.

Exactly. My husband and I are first gen college grads from lower middle class families. We live in Bethesda and send our kids to private primarily to have smaller classes and more focused attention from teachers, but as a bonus there is more diversity at the private than at our local public. Plus that diversity includes a very large group of highly successful black families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Segregation has to do more with class than race now. My husband and I are Latinos and our two kids look stereotypically Latino (brown hair, brown eyes, tan skin). We are middle class and both have graduate degrees. I don't think any white families have a problem with us being at our predominantly white school. I don't send my kids to a predominately Latino school because we haven't found one that doesn't have a majority of kids who live in poverty. My kids pick up vocabulary and concepts being around other kids with educated parents.

THIS. I do not send my child to our zoned school because the majority of kids who attend are poor and the administration values test scores over learning. So yes, we chose a school that offers a better curriculum and a more diverse student body (some wealthy, most middle class, some poor). If I had it my way, every child would have that opportunity. But the systemic changes needed are far too large for any one person or any one community to fix on their own.

Did you attend your local zoned school before making that choice?

Met with the principal one-on-one. All she could talk about was test scores. I didn't know if it was a district thing (maybe some parents like that?). So I visited a few other area public schools to see how they 'felt'; discussions there focused on curriculum, activities, parental involvement. Which would you choose?

You are exactly the kind of white parent that Hannah-Jones is talking about. The principal of a majority minority school tells you that kids do well at that school, as defined by test scores, and you decide that school is too focused on testing. Whereas majority white schools have the freedom to sell themselves based on other criteria because no one is worried about test scores at a majority white school. Even if the scores are lowish, you just tell yourself that it is because they aren't teaching to the test.

So you avoid your local public, the school that your neighbors use, because it "isn't a good fit." This is the problem. I'm so glad that we're talking about it now.

Thank you for saying that so well. Parents are obsessed with a school's GS "score" to the point that they will only move to boundaries with high "scores" but then dismiss schools for taking test scores seriously. You know why private schools don't have to take test scores seriously? Because no one ever knows how their kids perform so they can totally control their own image and marketing. Parents can simply assume all privates are better, without ever considering real performance data.

The other piece of this is that PP didn't send her child to their neighborhood school for a single day. So, based on one conversation with the principal, which I assume happened after PP had already make up her mind about sending her snowflake to a child with poor children, she decided the school was "focused on test scores rather than learning."

That's a pretty big accusation for having set foot in the school for all of 30 minutes, an EXACTLY what the OP was getting at. I was amazed when the author said white parents at her mostly Black public school were "demanding" that white kids be kept together all through elementary school, but maybe I shouldn't be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm on the flip side of things. I live in a school cluster that is a majority Asian, and the culture of the school feels way too competitive. So I've sent my kid to a small private school that feels more middle of the road to me. I know it's completely racist, in that I prefer what I feel is an academic pace more in line with what I know as a white American. Most of the families in the neighborhood are immigrants, and there is high pressure on the kids to excel. I should aspire to that, I suppose. But I don't.

We are moving to the Clarksburg High cluster soon, mostly to get out of this rat race here in North Potomac. Whites will still be a minority in the school, but the overall ethnic and economic composition is vastly different.

You should read this article, about white families fleeing majority Asian neighborhoods/schools because they can't hack the competition: https://psmag.com/news/ghosts-of-white-people-past-witnessing-white-flight-from-an-asian-ethnoburb

I’m that PP and I agree. It’s racist. It’s a competitive culture that I don’t like. Clarksburg is more reflective of the county as a whole. My kid can be who he is there. He will find someone to fit in with.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Liberals have no trouble living with double standards and hypocrisy. This is just one example.

- another moderate R

I mean, I'd rather be aligned with the group that SAYS they want equality than the group that SAYS everything after the 10th amendment is horseshit, but I'll agree with you about the hypocrisy. Democrats are halfway there. Now they (we) just need to live their (our) values. Which...I actually do.

Ummm, do conservatives say they don't want equality for all? They are the ones trying to foster improvement through competition in schools. You may not agree with the method, but stop with the "liberals are the only ones who care about the downtrodden." I see a lot of liberal racism in MCPS through low expectations and promotion of victimhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Liberals have no trouble living with double standards and hypocrisy. This is just one example.

- another moderate R

I mean, I'd rather be aligned with the group that SAYS they want equality than the group that SAYS everything after the 10th amendment is horseshit, but I'll agree with you about the hypocrisy. Democrats are halfway there. Now they (we) just need to live their (our) values. Which...I actually do.

Ummm, do conservatives say they don't want equality for all? They are the ones trying to foster improvement through competition in schools. You may not agree with the method, but stop with the "liberals are the only ones who care about the downtrodden." I see a lot of liberal racism in MCPS through low expectations and promotion of victimhood.

Every single aspect of conservative public policy is meant to ensure white supremacy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Keep up. The author of that article indicts all whites who send their kids to private and charter schools, not white liberals or white conservatives. All whites. Do conservatives really think it's somehow morally superior of them just not to believe in racial equality in the first place? "Don't blame me," they said, "we never thought integration was going to work in the first place."

I love you.

Great intellectual analysis from both of you. That's just what all conservatives say in our secret meetings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Liberals have no trouble living with double standards and hypocrisy. This is just one example.

- another moderate R

I mean, I'd rather be aligned with the group that SAYS they want equality than the group that SAYS everything after the 10th amendment is horseshit, but I'll agree with you about the hypocrisy. Democrats are halfway there. Now they (we) just need to live their (our) values. Which...I actually do.

Ummm, do conservatives say they don't want equality for all? They are the ones trying to foster improvement through competition in schools. You may not agree with the method, but stop with the "liberals are the only ones who care about the downtrodden." I see a lot of liberal racism in MCPS through low expectations and promotion of victimhood.

Every single aspect of conservative public policy is meant to ensure white supremacy.

Use a real argument of policy.

[Anonymous]

I see the point and it is somewhat true.

But, Republicans are immoral because they don't even vote to help the poor and working poor.

If Democrats & Republicans living in cities pull their kids from public schools then it harms those schools. But, you know what harms them more? A republican congress that guts everything in their lives from housing to health care to environmental contamination to funding for education and after-school and anti-poverty programs.

[Anonymous]

I send my child to private school because the public school failed her for 6 years. She has learning disabilities that they failed to acknowledge and once they were forced to acknowledge them, they did not remediate or even follow the "easy" parts of the IEP.

Once the schools start living by the federal laws (IDEA and ADA), I will consider going back.

Hypocrite? I don't think so. I can let my child fail and become a problem for society or I can make sure she gets what she needs to succeed. The public school system did not do its job, so I have to pay to have it done for them.

[Anonymous]

So you found a private school that was a) willing to take a kid with an IEP and b) trained with learning specialists to serve her? Wow. I've never heard of a private school that serves sped kids.