Grandma and Guns

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people don't even know US fatal gun accidents involving kids are way down

Could Americans' lack of knowledge on this subject be related to the fact that Congress hasn't allowed the CDC to fund gun violence since 1996?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/04/gun-violence-research-has-been-shut-down-for-20-years/?utm_term=.6dde278ec851

Nonsense. the FBI, National Institutes of Health, National academies of Science and in fact the CDC spend millions and millions. Mike Bloomberg gun ban lobby spends tens and tens of millions now funding the pro gun control researchers the CDC got caught wrongly funding.

The CDC made a huge mess They were giving millions and millions to third party "researchers" who were actively lobbying and working directly with gun ban lobby groups and promulgating junk science.
look a the specious claim gun owning homes are more dangerous. in fact gun owning homes of non criminals are about 20% safer from criminal violence than homes with no guns. CDC paid for four studies, not one of which bothered to parse people selling meth, dealing other drugs and thus targets for robbery, gang members etc who were "gun owners" and where 99% of the shootings were occurring, with normal law abiding gun owners. If you look at the millions of dollars worth of junk research from the 1990's before their paying of lobbies working with gun ban groups was ended, virtually all that CDC bought third party science predicted gun murder would rise -- when it fell 64% int he past 25 years.

DC has hundred of murders, gun crimes etc and not one of them from the thousands of legal gun owners. The CDC never paid for a single third party study (the thing that is banned now) that ven bothered to control for the variable that is the well documented risk factor (and it is not guns but criminals in your home).

why do you think 90% of those of US in law enforcement do not support more gun laws/bans promoted by types such as Bloomberg's fronts? We see what is really going on every day. A small groups of people, "super predators" with very long arrest recrods is committing almost all of the knife, beating, gun assaults and murders. IN a city like DC or Baltimore eight out of ten murderers have more than ten arrests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stick to your guns (sorry - couldn't resist).

Grandchild doesn't go to grandma's house, and grandma doesn't bring gun to yours (I'm hoping she doesn't carry it in her purse).

Find the stats on how many children are accidentally shot or who accidentally shoot an adult.

Also check how many drown or die in car crashes, then don't let he drive them or take them to a pool. then worry about the gun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Following the death of my stepfather my mother purchased a gun. She lives in a very safe neighborhood full of affluent families. She also has a dog and installed an alarm system a few months before she got the gun. Additionally, she did not grow up around guns. For those reasons, my siblings and I opposed her getting a gun in the first place. She disagreed and as is her right she got one. Since having one she does not practice gun safety. My sister, who lives out of state, has on at least two separate occasions gone to take a nap and discovered that the gun is loaded and in the bed. The last time this happened was over thanksgiving. I also noticed that it was under her bed once. Also loaded.

I am expecting her first grandchild, which she is very excited about. When my sister discovered the gun I told my mom that I would not have any of my future children at her house until she gets rid of the gun. She ignored me. I jus think it would be one thing if she were a responsible gun owner but over the years that she's had the gun she has consistently demonstrated that she can't be trusted to put the gun in the gun safe. I feel for her in that I'm sure part of the reason why she wants to have the gun is that she feels safer. However, I don't think that it actually keeps her safe. The gun is a revolver and my mom has done very minimal hours at a gun range. The odds of her actually hitting anyone with a handgun in an emergency seem very slim to me.

If I can't take my kids to her house then so be it. But I am concerned she will just say that she got rid of it and not actually do so. Just like she said she would keep it in the gun safe and didn't do that either.

Advice?

I don't know where this thread is gone, but I'd like to answer the question posed. I don't think this is a gun issue at all. If you can't trust someone to do what they say they will do with respect to your wishes regarding safety, then you can't leave your kids there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stick to your guns (sorry - couldn't resist).

Grandchild doesn't go to grandma's house, and grandma doesn't bring gun to yours (I'm hoping she doesn't carry it in her purse).

Find the stats on how many children are accidentally shot or who accidentally shoot an adult.

Also check how many drown or die in car crashes, then don't let he drive them or take them to a pool. then worry about the gun.

The problem isn't that grandma is an unsafe driver. The problem is that grandma is an irresponsible gun owner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stick to your guns (sorry - couldn't resist).

Grandchild doesn't go to grandma's house, and grandma doesn't bring gun to yours (I'm hoping she doesn't carry it in her purse).

Find the stats on how many children are accidentally shot or who accidentally shoot an adult.

Also check how many drown or die in car crashes, then don't let he drive them or take them to a pool. then worry about the gun.

The problem isn't that grandma is an unsafe driver. The problem is that grandma is an irresponsible gun owner.

I would worry more about unsafe drivers, or people who allow criminals to live in their homes. We had a parent on our school listserve suggest that any gun owner be identified by others so that kids wound not play with their kids. That never made it anywhere but another mom who works for in law enforcement offered to run background checks by address and we found half a dozen homes where there were a parent or older brother with arrest records for assault for theft etc and it was those kid's homes that got boycotted. Great thing is arrest records are public.

[Anonymous]

Why don't you take the gun to a gunsmith while granny is watching "The Golden Girls," and have them modify/remove the firing pin?

There are a lot of people who shouldn't own guns, and she is definitely one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stick to your guns (sorry - couldn't resist).

Grandchild doesn't go to grandma's house, and grandma doesn't bring gun to yours (I'm hoping she doesn't carry it in her purse).

Find the stats on how many children are accidentally shot or who accidentally shoot an adult.

Yes, make sure she doesn’t have it in her car or purse when she visit you. I’m not anti-gun. DH owns two. I just know toddlers have been shot reaching into a purse or car console.

[Anonymous]

I am totally pro responsible gun ownership - she is not and a she is a huge liability. I would never let my kids go to her house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Get her one of the panic buttons that she can wear around her neck. Just in case she has a fall and can't get up, or there's an intruder or something.

Yeah, good way to make sure emergency services are there withing 24 hours to draw a chalk line around her.

[Anonymous]

Better idea re: gun safe.

Get one yourself that grandma doesn’t know the code to and insist gun lives there if/when you’re in the house. She can have it back when you leave.

Same as when she visits you - I’d personally go through her purse every time if she’s that lax about gun safety.

Only concern is if she buys herself a second gun?

[Anonymous]

I would simply remove the gun the next time I was over at her house, and dispose of it. It doesn't sound like she keeps very close tabs on it.