VA In-State Admissions Rumors Re High School Quotas

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can people please stop spreading the lie that it's harder to get into UVA in-state than out-of-state?

I have not seen any data that separates in-state from OOS for GPA or middle 50% test scores. It is not in the UVA common data set. Please share a source for that data if anyone knows where it is. Otherwise nobody knows if it is a lie or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2017 UVA Admissions

In-State Apps - 10,938 (4,348 Admit), 40%
Out of State Apps - 25,841 (5,710 Admit), 22%

What about mid 50% test scores and average GPAs for in-state versus out of state students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can people please stop spreading the lie that it's harder to get into UVA in-state than out-of-state?

I have not seen any data that separates in-state from OOS for GPA or middle 50% test scores. It is not in the UVA common data set. Please share a source for that data if anyone knows where it is. Otherwise nobody knows if it is a lie or not.

http://research.schev.edu/enrollment/b12_report.asp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2017 UVA Admissions

In-State Apps - 10,938 (4,348 Admit), 40%
Out of State Apps - 25,841 (5,710 Admit), 22%

What about mid 50% test scores and average GPAs for in-state versus out of state students?

http://research.schev.edu/enrollment/b12_report.asp

Shows that the SAT scores for ENROLLED students are higher for OOS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2017 UVA Admissions

In-State Apps - 10,938 (4,348 Admit), 40%
Out of State Apps - 25,841 (5,710 Admit), 22%

What about mid 50% test scores and average GPAs for in-state versus out of state students?

http://research.schev.edu/enrollment/b12_report.asp

Shows that the SAT scores for ENROLLED students are higher for OOS

Are you saying the admitted pool is weaker than the enrolled pool? That would mean kids with the weak scores went to other schools? Wouldn't it be the opposite? That the admitted group would include the superstar kid who turned UVA down to go somewhere else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can people please stop spreading the lie that it's harder to get into UVA in-state than out-of-state?

I have not seen any data that separates in-state from OOS for GPA or middle 50% test scores. It is not in the UVA common data set. Please share a source for that data if anyone knows where it is. Otherwise nobody knows if it is a lie or not.

I do have that somewhere. Someone else located it and posted it a similar thread about instate vs. OSS last month. I'll try to find it. I made a point of printing out the stats because I had never seen the breakdown by VA University before. It's not in a googleable document. Let me get thru turkey day. Yes, stats for in-state are higher than for OOS. Not by much but they are there in the report broken down by university.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can people please stop spreading the lie that it's harder to get into UVA in-state than out-of-state?

I have not seen any data that separates in-state from OOS for GPA or middle 50% test scores. It is not in the UVA common data set. Please share a source for that data if anyone knows where it is. Otherwise nobody knows if it is a lie or not.

http://research.schev.edu/enrollment/b12_report.asp

Yes, this is it ^^. Thank you. FOr future reference is this google-able?

[Anonymous]

Found the speech PP said they took down because it was so controversial. When they mention rank, they say it's just for schools that REPORT rank. So even if admissions could estimate a rank, it looks like they only use reported rank.

http://president.virginia.edu/new-student-convocation


http://president.virginia.edu/prepared-remarks-new-student-convocation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, this is it ^^. Thank you. FOr future reference is this google-able?

It's the State Council of Higher Education. The government puts out tons of reports. All the college ones are on that website.

http://research.schev.edu/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp, you are describing private school counseling practices and applying them to public schools. What school does your child attend? At FCPS schools, the college counselor is essentially just a resource position. He plays zero role in actual school selection or application execution. The guidance counselors are basically just there to deal with schedule changes and administrative stuff, but they also are responsible for writing a recommendation for the student, often based on a cheat sheet without ever having met that student.

No one at the school is deciding which school a child should or shouldn't apply to, nor are they supporting or sabotaging applications as they see fit.

I know that at private schools, it is common for the college counselor to pick and choose who to present to each top school, but that doesn't happen in public. There just isn't the time or energy to deal with it. Students select the schools and are entirely in charge of the process.

I strongly disagree. When you go in and meet with the guidance counselor, if you say your DS wants to apply to Harvard and UVA, the counselor looks at your child's record and pulls up Naviance to show you exactly what your child's chances are coming from that particular high school, competing against students in the same class. If the college counselor is doing her job job, she will try to provide realistic assessment and direct you and your child to schools that are safeties, solid choices and reaches. They are not going to kill themselves trying to get your child in Harvard when they have 500 other students who need their time, as well. They are also responsible for reviewing the essay, arranging for and compiling the letters of recommendation, as well as test taking advice, putting the whole package together and sending it by email to the selected schools. Their job is to making reasonable suggestions and matches. They don't want their time wasted on applications that will go nowhere.

Are you describing a private school or FCPS? Because it's quite clear that you do not have a child in FCPS. This isn't AT ALL the way it works. The student decides where to apply. Looking at Naviance is up to the students/parents, not the counselor. The counselor simply writes one letter of recommendation for each student, and their one letter is sent to all schools the student is applying to. They never see the essay (unless a student specifically asks the counselor to review it, which we never have). They certainly don't "arrange for and compile the letters of recommendation." That's entirely up to the student and the counselor never even sees the teacher LOR.

Are you the poster who constantly posts these lies about how FCPS college counseling works?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp, you are describing private school counseling practices and applying them to public schools. What school does your child attend? At FCPS schools, the college counselor is essentially just a resource position. He plays zero role in actual school selection or application execution. The guidance counselors are basically just there to deal with schedule changes and administrative stuff, but they also are responsible for writing a recommendation for the student, often based on a cheat sheet without ever having met that student.

No one at the school is deciding which school a child should or shouldn't apply to, nor are they supporting or sabotaging applications as they see fit.

I know that at private schools, it is common for the college counselor to pick and choose who to present to each top school, but that doesn't happen in public. There just isn't the time or energy to deal with it. Students select the schools and are entirely in charge of the process.

I strongly disagree. When you go in and meet with the guidance counselor, if you say your DS wants to apply to Harvard and UVA, the counselor looks at your child's record and pulls up Naviance to show you exactly what your child's chances are coming from that particular high school, competing against students in the same class. If the college counselor is doing her job job, she will try to provide realistic assessment and direct you and your child to schools that are safeties, solid choices and reaches. They are not going to kill themselves trying to get your child in Harvard when they have 500 other students who need their time, as well. They are also responsible for reviewing the essay, arranging for and compiling the letters of recommendation, as well as test taking advice, putting the whole package together and sending it by email to the selected schools. Their job is to making reasonable suggestions and matches. They don't want their time wasted on applications that will go nowhere.

What school did your kids attend and how many decades ago was it? You really have no idea about how this all works. In FCPS, they write a recommendation and upload it to Naviance. Teachers upload their recommendations to Naviance. No counselor is gathering documents and nothing is emailed. It's all done in Naviance. The kid does all the work of "arranging" for recommendations. English teachers do more essay editing than guidance counselors.

Precisely. PP has no idea what s/he is talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, this is it ^^. Thank you. FOr future reference is this google-able?

It's the State Council of Higher Education. The government puts out tons of reports. All the college ones are on that website.

http://research.schev.edu/

Thank you. This subject comes up so frequently that it's nice to have a solid source to turn to. I knew what it looked like because another DCUMer had posted it but not how to pull it up. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp, you are describing private school counseling practices and applying them to public schools. What school does your child attend? At FCPS schools, the college counselor is essentially just a resource position. He plays zero role in actual school selection or application execution. The guidance counselors are basically just there to deal with schedule changes and administrative stuff, but they also are responsible for writing a recommendation for the student, often based on a cheat sheet without ever having met that student.

No one at the school is deciding which school a child should or shouldn't apply to, nor are they supporting or sabotaging applications as they see fit.

I know that at private schools, it is common for the college counselor to pick and choose who to present to each top school, but that doesn't happen in public. There just isn't the time or energy to deal with it. Students select the schools and are entirely in charge of the process.

I strongly disagree. When you go in and meet with the guidance counselor, if you say your DS wants to apply to Harvard and UVA, the counselor looks at your child's record and pulls up Naviance to show you exactly what your child's chances are coming from that particular high school, competing against students in the same class. If the college counselor is doing her job job, she will try to provide realistic assessment and direct you and your child to schools that are safeties, solid choices and reaches. They are not going to kill themselves trying to get your child in Harvard when they have 500 other students who need their time, as well. They are also responsible for reviewing the essay, arranging for and compiling the letters of recommendation, as well as test taking advice, putting the whole package together and sending it by email to the selected schools. Their job is to making reasonable suggestions and matches. They don't want their time wasted on applications that will go nowhere.

Are you describing a private school or FCPS? Because it's quite clear that you do not have a child in FCPS. This isn't AT ALL the way it works. The student decides where to apply. Looking at Naviance is up to the students/parents, not the counselor. The counselor simply writes one letter of recommendation for each student, and their one letter is sent to all schools the student is applying to. They never see the essay (unless a student specifically asks the counselor to review it, which we never have). They certainly don't "arrange for and compile the letters of recommendation." That's entirely up to the student and the counselor never even sees the teacher LOR.

Are you the poster who constantly posts these lies about how FCPS college counseling works?

Yes, Langley High. Why so nasty?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp, you are describing private school counseling practices and applying them to public schools. What school does your child attend? At FCPS schools, the college counselor is essentially just a resource position. He plays zero role in actual school selection or application execution. The guidance counselors are basically just there to deal with schedule changes and administrative stuff, but they also are responsible for writing a recommendation for the student, often based on a cheat sheet without ever having met that student.

No one at the school is deciding which school a child should or shouldn't apply to, nor are they supporting or sabotaging applications as they see fit.

I know that at private schools, it is common for the college counselor to pick and choose who to present to each top school, but that doesn't happen in public. There just isn't the time or energy to deal with it. Students select the schools and are entirely in charge of the process.

I strongly disagree. When you go in and meet with the guidance counselor, if you say your DS wants to apply to Harvard and UVA, the counselor looks at your child's record and pulls up Naviance to show you exactly what your child's chances are coming from that particular high school, competing against students in the same class. If the college counselor is doing her job job, she will try to provide realistic assessment and direct you and your child to schools that are safeties, solid choices and reaches. They are not going to kill themselves trying to get your child in Harvard when they have 500 other students who need their time, as well. They are also responsible for reviewing the essay, arranging for and compiling the letters of recommendation, as well as test taking advice, putting the whole package together and sending it by email to the selected schools. Their job is to making reasonable suggestions and matches. They don't want their time wasted on applications that will go nowhere.

Are you describing a private school or FCPS? Because it's quite clear that you do not have a child in FCPS. This isn't AT ALL the way it works. The student decides where to apply. Looking at Naviance is up to the students/parents, not the counselor. The counselor simply writes one letter of recommendation for each student, and their one letter is sent to all schools the student is applying to. They never see the essay (unless a student specifically asks the counselor to review it, which we never have). They certainly don't "arrange for and compile the letters of recommendation." That's entirely up to the student and the counselor never even sees the teacher LOR.

Are you the poster who constantly posts these lies about how FCPS college counseling works?

Yes, Langley High. Why so nasty?

Ok, this is ridiculous. I'm also a Langley parent, and what you describe *does not* occur there. The counselor does not review the essay, unless requested to do so. The counselor does not arrange for and compile LOR, with the exception of the counselor's own LOR. The student is entirely responsible for teacher LORs. They send their recs to any school the student is applying to, period.

It's really odd that you're spreading so much misinformation about the whole process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2017 UVA Admissions

In-State Apps - 10,938 (4,348 Admit), 40%
Out of State Apps - 25,841 (5,710 Admit), 22%

What about mid 50% test scores and average GPAs for in-state versus out of state students?

http://research.schev.edu/enrollment/b12_report.asp

Shows that the SAT scores for ENROLLED students are higher for OOS

I'm not sure I get your point. It's comparing enrolled in-state to enrolled OOS, so it's apples to apples. The instate enrolled kids have higher SAT scores.