The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election

[Anonymous]

New poster here. I believe Browder's story about his dealings with Putin and the oligarchs. But I skimmed through his book earlier this summer, and the same thought kept occurring to me. He didn't have the success he had in Moscow without being thoroughly corrupt himself.

Both things can be true - that Putin is a murderous and election-meddling thug who should be stopped AND that Browder is seeking vengeance for having his lawyer/friend killed and his assets stolen. His book made clear that he is certainly an egomaniac.

Why do I think all this? Because I worked in Moscow throughout the 90s. By 1995 (a year before Browder ever showed up), you couldn't even sign a contract to buy candy without being pressured for serious kick-backs. I was asked to fold the cost of new Land Rovers into the contract and have them delivered to the decision-makers in the Russian organizations. Our proposals were disqualified based on technicalities because we hadn't paid the bribes. The big corporations all hired middlemen to handle all the corruption for them and then pay "commissions" for representational services.

I was just a small-time nothing who eventually had to leave because I wouldn't play by the new rules. So no way is Browder virtuous in all this.

All the same, I'm grateful he pushed for the Magnitsky Act. His massive ego has helped to raise awareness and maybe something will come of it.

[Anonymous]

"The movie's director, Andrei Nekrasov, has a record as a staunch Putin critic, having among other things made a damning film about the assassination/poisoning of former intelligence officer Alxander Litvinenko. He has told reporters he began his Magnitsky project intending to tell it from Browder's point of view, even envisioning Browder as narrator, but became convinced the facts didn't support that narrative.

There's plenty of evidence that Russians are very good at convincing.

It's plausible that Browder is not entirely innocent in all this. It's NOT plausible that Trump is entirely innocent. That's the cost of kicking ethics to curb and obsfucating private dealings and finances when you're president. Being so obviously dumb makes it even more expensive.

Can you think of a better stooge for Putin? Who else would go anywhere near this mess unless it was to pay for their own stupidity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Russian film is available on-line. Parry's article cited above says the following in his July 13 article:

"From searches that I did on Wednesday, Nekrasov’s film was not available on Amazon although a pro-Magnitsky documentary was. I did find a streaming service that appeared to have the film available."

from a Google search, it also looks like the film is available on YouTube.


so no, Komrade, you are NOT being censored. That's what we like about America. That little thing called Free Speech. You and your Kremlin cohorts are certainly free to try to get people to buy into your version of how Sergei Magnitsky "accidentally" died in prison, just as Mr. Browder can make his case as well.

If you actually look it youtube, all the sites claim the film was deleted or that you need to click on some link to a very sketchy site.

If I'm wrong, please provide a working link for the film.

And given that USSR collapsed decades ago, calling anyone "Komrade" makes you sound delusional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New poster here. I believe Browder's story about his dealings with Putin and the oligarchs. But I skimmed through his book earlier this summer, and the same thought kept occurring to me. He didn't have the success he had in Moscow without being thoroughly corrupt himself.

Both things can be true - that Putin is a murderous and election-meddling thug who should be stopped AND that Browder is seeking vengeance for having his lawyer/friend killed and his assets stolen. His book made clear that he is certainly an egomaniac.

Why do I think all this? Because I worked in Moscow throughout the 90s. By 1995 (a year before Browder ever showed up), you couldn't even sign a contract to buy candy without being pressured for serious kick-backs. I was asked to fold the cost of new Land Rovers into the contract and have them delivered to the decision-makers in the Russian organizations. Our proposals were disqualified based on technicalities because we hadn't paid the bribes. The big corporations all hired middlemen to handle all the corruption for them and then pay "commissions" for representational services.

I was just a small-time nothing who eventually had to leave because I wouldn't play by the new rules. So no way is Browder virtuous in all this.

All the same, I'm grateful he pushed for the Magnitsky Act. His massive ego has helped to raise awareness and maybe something will come of it.

You're so sane and informed, are you sure you belong here?

Browder penned a pro-Putin op-ed in The Moscow Times in 2004:

http://old.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/making-the-case-for-putin/233487.html

These kinds of guys will do and say anything to get money and power.

[Anonymous]

You recall in his prepared testimony that he said he liked and supported Putin in 2004. If you'd read it, you would have noticed that. But instead you are trolling, poating meaningless sh*t meant to discredit Browder.

Shame on you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fox News isn't talking about this. The main stream media outlets haven't covered it near enough. People need to share this statement to as many voters (regardless of party) as they can.

Actually Fox News interviewed this guy in its 7 pm program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You recall in his prepared testimony that he said he liked and supported Putin in 2004. If you'd read it, you would have noticed that. But instead you are trolling, poating meaningless sh*t meant to discredit Browder.

Shame on you.

+100

Browder admitted in his testimony that he liked Putin in the early days, as Putin was supportive of foreign direct investment. No surprise he penned a pro-Putin op-ed, when Putin was still nominally respecting the rule of law.

Putin went fully corrupt, according to Browder, sometime in late 2004 or early 2005.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You recall in his prepared testimony that he said he liked and supported Putin in 2004. If you'd read it, you would have noticed that. But instead you are trolling, poating meaningless sh*t meant to discredit Browder.

Shame on you.

+100

Browder admitted in his testimony that he liked Putin in the early days, as Putin was supportive of foreign direct investment. No surprise he penned a pro-Putin op-ed, when Putin was still nominally respecting the rule of law.

Putin went fully corrupt, according to Browder, sometime in late 2004 or early 2005.

+1.

[Anonymous]

And yet still no evidence of any criminal wrongdoing by any Trumps... Keep trying.

[Anonymous]

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As someone a bit familiar with Russia and finance, who paid full price for "Red Notice" when it came out and eagerly read it, I think this just might not be the case. Not only is a Browder a player in a game where lying is almost de rigueur, he's also renounced his American citizenship. Without explicitly saying he's wrong, I'd hope thoughtful people looked just a bit askance at his narrative.


For one, a known Putin critic and filmaker named Andrei Nekrasov attempted to make a docudrama of the Browder story, starting from the assumption that Browder was in the right. In researching the story, Nekrasov became increasingly of the mind that Browder himself was deceitful in regards to the Magnitsky story and that the truth lay somewhere outsider Browder's narrative. Nekrasov completed his film as a documentary, "The Magnitsky Act: Behind the Scenes" and was hounded by Browder's lawyers so much that distribution became impossible, blocking a premiere showing at the European Parliament. The film was shown once at the Newseum, but it remains nearly impossible to find.

More here: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/13/how-russia-gate-met-the-magnitsky-myth/

Like so much of this power and money stuff, almost all involved are shameless liars with enormous stakes. Thoughtful and pro-social people should be suspicious.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/449419/donald-trump-jr-meeting-magnitsky-act-propaganda

The Russian attorney at the Kushner/Manafort/Junior meeting, Veselnitskaya was instrumental in arranging a screening of the film at the Newseum in Washington, D.C

But thanks for sharing, Komrade.

I love DCUM, you get the most mindless information from predictable functionaries and you get it for free: no money goes directly from me to Jeff Bezos, though who knows whether AWS is here?

You still need to explain why the film can't be found on-line. That little fact is more than a bit revealing.

And the mask falls. Troll, troll, troll.

I guess my low opinion of most posters' reasoning is well warranted. Thanks for providing confirmation.

Nobody cares about your opinion, sorry. Not everyone desperately craves approval like Trump.

[Anonymous]

And he is on right now on Fox News.

He doesn't have any good things to say about fusion gps, maybe that's why he doesn't get any coverage in MSM.

[Anonymous]

TODAY, WHO is playing this music?


The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.



Think about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And yet still no evidence of any criminal wrongdoing by any Trumps... Keep trying.

Where are you getting this BS, Boris?

There is tons of evidence that the POTUS has broken many laws, starting with the emoluments clause and nepotism. But the scum Republicans refuse to impeach him. Only Robert Mueller and his team know the full extent of Trump's crimes, but they are not revealing what they know until their investigations are complete. Unless you work for Mueller or the NY AG, you don't know what you are talking about.

But of course, you're a troll. Of course you know you're posting lies.

[Anonymous]

I'm sorry, huh?

[Anonymous]

Meant that huh? For the communist poster. Huh?