The importance of the Magnitsky Act in understanding why Russia meddled in the election

[Anonymous]

I wonder if the tweets of today are meant to distract from this?

[Anonymous]

Everything is meant to distract from this.

People need to share this story with everyone they know, regardless of political affiliation. We need to focus as Americans on the foreign threat, then go back to arguing among ourselves on domestic policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everything is meant to distract from this.

People need to share this story with everyone they know, regardless of political affiliation. We need to focus as Americans on the foreign threat, then go back to arguing among ourselves on domestic policy.

ICAM. OP, thank you for starting this thread. Very important and compelling article. POTUS, his son and other designees are in bed with an extremely powerful, wealthy, vicious, murderous cohort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I met Browder back in 2010. He spoke at my graduate school about the Magnitsky case and gave a fantastic presentation. The man is the real deal, he's been doggedly pursuing Putin for over a decade.

I admire his tenacity and honesty. It's refreshing.

As someone a bit familiar with Russia and finance, who paid full price for "Red Notice" when it came out and eagerly read it, I think this just might not be the case. Not only is a Browder a player in a game where lying is almost de rigueur, he's also renounced his American citizenship. Without explicitly saying he's wrong, I'd hope thoughtful people looked just a bit askance at his narrative.


For one, a known Putin critic and filmaker named Andrei Nekrasov attempted to make a docudrama of the Browder story, starting from the assumption that Browder was in the right. In researching the story, Nekrasov became increasingly of the mind that Browder himself was deceitful in regards to the Magnitsky story and that the truth lay somewhere outsider Browder's narrative. Nekrasov completed his film as a documentary, "The Magnitsky Act: Behind the Scenes" and was hounded by Browder's lawyers so much that distribution became impossible, blocking a premiere showing at the European Parliament. The film was shown once at the Newseum, but it remains nearly impossible to find.

More here: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/13/how-russia-gate-met-the-magnitsky-myth/

Like so much of this power and money stuff, almost all involved are shameless liars with enormous stakes. Thoughtful and pro-social people should be suspicious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, Browder says that two people in the "inconsequential" June 9 2016 meeting at Trump tower -- lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and ex Soviet intelligence guy Rinat Akmetshin -- were hired by the Russian Government to repeal the Magnitsky Act, which has the potential to freeze Putin's ill-gotten $200 billion secreted away in the West.

Here's what he says about Rinat:

Through HRAGI, Rinat Akhmetshin, a former Soviet intelligence officer naturalised as an American citizen, was hired to lead the Magnitsky repeal effort. Mr. Akhmetshin has been involved in a number of similar campaigns where he’s been accused of various unethical and potentially illegal actions like computer hacking.

Since he's an American, can't he be subpoenaed to testify before Congress?

Ugh! Could this get any uglier?

Actually it will get much uglier Follow the money trail to the US lobby shops who were in turn hired by the Russians to lobby for repeal of the Magnitsky Act and see which party was involved.

Don't keep me in suspense! Where does the money trail lead? Link, please?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


As someone a bit familiar with Russia and finance, who paid full price for "Red Notice" when it came out and eagerly read it, I think this just might not be the case. Not only is a Browder a player in a game where lying is almost de rigueur, he's also renounced his American citizenship. Without explicitly saying he's wrong, I'd hope thoughtful people looked just a bit askance at his narrative.


For one, a known Putin critic and filmaker named Andrei Nekrasov attempted to make a docudrama of the Browder story, starting from the assumption that Browder was in the right. In researching the story, Nekrasov became increasingly of the mind that Browder himself was deceitful in regards to the Magnitsky story and that the truth lay somewhere outsider Browder's narrative. Nekrasov completed his film as a documentary, "The Magnitsky Act: Behind the Scenes" and was hounded by Browder's lawyers so much that distribution became impossible, blocking a premiere showing at the European Parliament. The film was shown once at the Newseum, but it remains nearly impossible to find.

More here: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/13/how-russia-gate-met-the-magnitsky-myth/

Like so much of this power and money stuff, almost all involved are shameless liars with enormous stakes. Thoughtful and pro-social people should be suspicious.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/449419/donald-trump-jr-meeting-magnitsky-act-propaganda

The Russian attorney at the Kushner/Manafort/Junior meeting, Veselnitskaya was instrumental in arranging a screening of the film at the Newseum in Washington, D.C

But thanks for sharing, Komrade.

[Anonymous]

So was Trump running for the presidency all a conspiracy from the start? Was he just put in place to lift this act and keep Putin whole? Obviously his reward would be money. Have the American people been bamboozled?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


As someone a bit familiar with Russia and finance, who paid full price for "Red Notice" when it came out and eagerly read it, I think this just might not be the case. Not only is a Browder a player in a game where lying is almost de rigueur, he's also renounced his American citizenship. Without explicitly saying he's wrong, I'd hope thoughtful people looked just a bit askance at his narrative.


For one, a known Putin critic and filmaker named Andrei Nekrasov attempted to make a docudrama of the Browder story, starting from the assumption that Browder was in the right. In researching the story, Nekrasov became increasingly of the mind that Browder himself was deceitful in regards to the Magnitsky story and that the truth lay somewhere outsider Browder's narrative. Nekrasov completed his film as a documentary, "The Magnitsky Act: Behind the Scenes" and was hounded by Browder's lawyers so much that distribution became impossible, blocking a premiere showing at the European Parliament. The film was shown once at the Newseum, but it remains nearly impossible to find.

More here: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/13/how-russia-gate-met-the-magnitsky-myth/

Like so much of this power and money stuff, almost all involved are shameless liars with enormous stakes. Thoughtful and pro-social people should be suspicious.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/449419/donald-trump-jr-meeting-magnitsky-act-propaganda

The Russian attorney at the Kushner/Manafort/Junior meeting, Veselnitskaya was instrumental in arranging a screening of the film at the Newseum in Washington, D.C

But thanks for sharing, Komrade.

I love DCUM, you get the most mindless information from predictable functionaries and you get it for free: no money goes directly from me to Jeff Bezos, though who knows whether AWS is here?

You still need to explain why the film can't be found on-line. That little fact is more than a bit revealing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


As someone a bit familiar with Russia and finance, who paid full price for "Red Notice" when it came out and eagerly read it, I think this just might not be the case. Not only is a Browder a player in a game where lying is almost de rigueur, he's also renounced his American citizenship. Without explicitly saying he's wrong, I'd hope thoughtful people looked just a bit askance at his narrative.


For one, a known Putin critic and filmaker named Andrei Nekrasov attempted to make a docudrama of the Browder story, starting from the assumption that Browder was in the right. In researching the story, Nekrasov became increasingly of the mind that Browder himself was deceitful in regards to the Magnitsky story and that the truth lay somewhere outsider Browder's narrative. Nekrasov completed his film as a documentary, "The Magnitsky Act: Behind the Scenes" and was hounded by Browder's lawyers so much that distribution became impossible, blocking a premiere showing at the European Parliament. The film was shown once at the Newseum, but it remains nearly impossible to find.

More here: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/13/how-russia-gate-met-the-magnitsky-myth/

Like so much of this power and money stuff, almost all involved are shameless liars with enormous stakes. Thoughtful and pro-social people should be suspicious.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/449419/donald-trump-jr-meeting-magnitsky-act-propaganda

The Russian attorney at the Kushner/Manafort/Junior meeting, Veselnitskaya was instrumental in arranging a screening of the film at the Newseum in Washington, D.C

But thanks for sharing, Komrade.

I love DCUM, you get the most mindless information from predictable functionaries and you get it for free: no money goes directly from me to Jeff Bezos, though who knows whether AWS is here?

You still need to explain why the film can't be found on-line. That little fact is more than a bit revealing.

No, YOU need to explain yourself. Why are you promoting a propaganda film? Who is paying YOU? Are you in America? Are you a Russian?

The film is propaganda. If it's not available online, perhaps there's a reason?? Why isn't it on YouTube? Has it been banned in the USA?

If you know the truth, then post links to respected news sources.

You are a Russian troll, so I know you can't. Take your BS elsewhere, Boris.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


As someone a bit familiar with Russia and finance, who paid full price for "Red Notice" when it came out and eagerly read it, I think this just might not be the case. Not only is a Browder a player in a game where lying is almost de rigueur, he's also renounced his American citizenship. Without explicitly saying he's wrong, I'd hope thoughtful people looked just a bit askance at his narrative.


For one, a known Putin critic and filmaker named Andrei Nekrasov attempted to make a docudrama of the Browder story, starting from the assumption that Browder was in the right. In researching the story, Nekrasov became increasingly of the mind that Browder himself was deceitful in regards to the Magnitsky story and that the truth lay somewhere outsider Browder's narrative. Nekrasov completed his film as a documentary, "The Magnitsky Act: Behind the Scenes" and was hounded by Browder's lawyers so much that distribution became impossible, blocking a premiere showing at the European Parliament. The film was shown once at the Newseum, but it remains nearly impossible to find.

More here: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/13/how-russia-gate-met-the-magnitsky-myth/

Like so much of this power and money stuff, almost all involved are shameless liars with enormous stakes. Thoughtful and pro-social people should be suspicious.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/449419/donald-trump-jr-meeting-magnitsky-act-propaganda

The Russian attorney at the Kushner/Manafort/Junior meeting, Veselnitskaya was instrumental in arranging a screening of the film at the Newseum in Washington, D.C

But thanks for sharing, Komrade.

I love DCUM, you get the most mindless information from predictable functionaries and you get it for free: no money goes directly from me to Jeff Bezos, though who knows whether AWS is here?

You still need to explain why the film can't be found on-line. That little fact is more than a bit revealing.

And the mask falls. Troll, troll, troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


As someone a bit familiar with Russia and finance, who paid full price for "Red Notice" when it came out and eagerly read it, I think this just might not be the case. Not only is a Browder a player in a game where lying is almost de rigueur, he's also renounced his American citizenship. Without explicitly saying he's wrong, I'd hope thoughtful people looked just a bit askance at his narrative.


For one, a known Putin critic and filmaker named Andrei Nekrasov attempted to make a docudrama of the Browder story, starting from the assumption that Browder was in the right. In researching the story, Nekrasov became increasingly of the mind that Browder himself was deceitful in regards to the Magnitsky story and that the truth lay somewhere outsider Browder's narrative. Nekrasov completed his film as a documentary, "The Magnitsky Act: Behind the Scenes" and was hounded by Browder's lawyers so much that distribution became impossible, blocking a premiere showing at the European Parliament. The film was shown once at the Newseum, but it remains nearly impossible to find.

More here: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/13/how-russia-gate-met-the-magnitsky-myth/

Like so much of this power and money stuff, almost all involved are shameless liars with enormous stakes. Thoughtful and pro-social people should be suspicious.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/449419/donald-trump-jr-meeting-magnitsky-act-propaganda

The Russian attorney at the Kushner/Manafort/Junior meeting, Veselnitskaya was instrumental in arranging a screening of the film at the Newseum in Washington, D.C

But thanks for sharing, Komrade.

I love DCUM, you get the most mindless information from predictable functionaries and you get it for free: no money goes directly from me to Jeff Bezos, though who knows whether AWS is here?

You still need to explain why the film can't be found on-line. That little fact is more than a bit revealing.

No, YOU need to explain yourself. Why are you promoting a propaganda film? Who is paying YOU? Are you in America? Are you a Russian?

The film is propaganda. If it's not available online, perhaps there's a reason?? Why isn't it on YouTube? Has it been banned in the USA?

If you know the truth, then post links to respected news sources.

You are a Russian troll, so I know you can't. Take your BS elsewhere, Boris.

I'm promoting free speech, dumbass. Doesn't blocking a film and tagging it as "propaganda" strike you as a bit, I dunno, Soviet?

I've only said that there are doubters to Browder's narrative. This is not to say I think the other parties involved are trustworthy.

I've you want to beat the drum about "respected news sources", please realize the link I posted earlier is by Robert Parry, who broke the Iran-Contra story back in the eighties. His website is also the favorite place for former intelligence professionals who write pieces critical of the dominant narrative, a practice that they began back when Colin Powell tried to offer a flimsy case for "Iraq has WMDs" as a "slam-dunk" before the UN.

If you want more from a "respected news source', consider Matt Taibbi, a Russian speaker with experience working in Moscow for a publication eventually shuttered by Putin:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-russia-russiagate-magnitsky-affair-linked-again-w492290


Other than saying the film has been largely banned, the only thing I'm relatively sure of is that those involved, as in usually the case with power and money, are almost entirely untrustworthy. As Taibbi writes:

"The movie's director, Andrei Nekrasov, has a record as a staunch Putin critic, having among other things made a damning film about the assassination/poisoning of former intelligence officer Alxander Litvinenko. He has told reporters he began his Magnitsky project intending to tell it from Browder's point of view, even envisioning Browder as narrator, but became convinced the facts didn't support that narrative.

What that means is hard to say. But add it to the long list of factors that make the Magnitsky/Browder case a very difficult one to unwind.

What's not in dispute is that the anti-Magnitsky lobbyists have in recent years used singularly revolting tactics. Veselnitskaya and her clients at Prevezon among other things created an organization called the Human Rights Accountability Global Initiative Foundation, whose long-winded title is a sarcastic echo of the formal name of the Magnitsky Act."

One last thing: it's very common on DCUM to read functionaries like you blindly repeating establishment narratives. I sincerely hope for your sake you get a seven-figure income to push this stuff. If you don't make that kind of income, I'm happy to brand you as a palace eunuch and a sucker.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


As someone a bit familiar with Russia and finance, who paid full price for "Red Notice" when it came out and eagerly read it, I think this just might not be the case. Not only is a Browder a player in a game where lying is almost de rigueur, he's also renounced his American citizenship. Without explicitly saying he's wrong, I'd hope thoughtful people looked just a bit askance at his narrative.


For one, a known Putin critic and filmaker named Andrei Nekrasov attempted to make a docudrama of the Browder story, starting from the assumption that Browder was in the right. In researching the story, Nekrasov became increasingly of the mind that Browder himself was deceitful in regards to the Magnitsky story and that the truth lay somewhere outsider Browder's narrative. Nekrasov completed his film as a documentary, "The Magnitsky Act: Behind the Scenes" and was hounded by Browder's lawyers so much that distribution became impossible, blocking a premiere showing at the European Parliament. The film was shown once at the Newseum, but it remains nearly impossible to find.

More here: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/13/how-russia-gate-met-the-magnitsky-myth/

Like so much of this power and money stuff, almost all involved are shameless liars with enormous stakes. Thoughtful and pro-social people should be suspicious.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/449419/donald-trump-jr-meeting-magnitsky-act-propaganda

The Russian attorney at the Kushner/Manafort/Junior meeting, Veselnitskaya was instrumental in arranging a screening of the film at the Newseum in Washington, D.C

But thanks for sharing, Komrade.

I love DCUM, you get the most mindless information from predictable functionaries and you get it for free: no money goes directly from me to Jeff Bezos, though who knows whether AWS is here?

You still need to explain why the film can't be found on-line. That little fact is more than a bit revealing.

And the mask falls. Troll, troll, troll.

I guess my low opinion of most posters' reasoning is well warranted. Thanks for providing confirmation.

[Anonymous]

The Russian film is available on-line. Parry's article cited above says the following in his July 13 article:

"From searches that I did on Wednesday, Nekrasov’s film was not available on Amazon although a pro-Magnitsky documentary was. I did find a streaming service that appeared to have the film available."

from a Google search, it also looks like the film is available on YouTube.


so no, Komrade, you are NOT being censored. That's what we like about America. That little thing called Free Speech. You and your Kremlin cohorts are certainly free to try to get people to buy into your version of how Sergei Magnitsky "accidentally" died in prison, just as Mr. Browder can make his case as well.

[Anonymous]

This video from 2009 (3 years before the Magnitsky Act) is interesting. It's appalling how long this all went on.

[Anonymous]

And continues to go on.