Wilson in 10 years?

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Anonymous wrote:Um, the diversity is not a nice bonus to white parents! It's a legal obligation towards black kids. There was a school district in Mississippi that was forced to consolidated high schools and jr highs due to having an all-white school. So DCPS correctly and appropriately will be cautious about taking any measures that will result in the most academically advanced high school and jr high becoming all-white. Obviously the current Justice Department is not likely to take action in this way, but it's a little nuts to think that DCPS will consciously take policy steps that will result in re-segregation.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/14/us/cleveland-mississippi-school-desegregation-settlement/index.html

I totally disagree with this. Limiting the feeder rights of OOB students or revising the feeder patterns is not even close to "resegregation," and there's no way it would lead to Deal being "all white." Deal would remain one of the most racially diverse schools in the city. There is no way any of the proposals being considered leads to a federal lawsuit against DCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:One other thing to consider is that if Wilson ever goes all IB, that's a tremendous loss of enrollment. Part of what makes Wilson so successful now is the large number of students- so they can offer lots of great classss plus advanced maths, physics, languages etc. Even if you counter with "well if we could just become all IB upper income white kids therefore we will attract more iB parents who currently send their kids private" the demographic projections don't bear this out. No matter how you slice those numbers, the HS pop of IB families is dropping, not growing enough to fill those empty OOB seats. So whenever people complain about OOB kids ruining Wilson, I thank god for them because if not for OOB Wilson would have died on the vine a long time ago.

I don't know what numbers you are referring to (and I've scrutinized them) but there is no evidence of this - at the rising 5th grade level at just Janney, Murch & Lafayette there are 375 students and that is just a fraction of the IB population and Deal is already almost as big as Wilson.

Sure some of the kids from the adjacent 3 schools will go private but most won't.

The loss of Wilson going all IB would be in diversity so for that reason I hope it doesn't happen but there is a crush of in-boundary kids bound for Wilson over the next 4-5 years.

Diversity is a nice bonus. But not at the cost of overcrowding. There are lots of other opportunities to surround your child with diversity: sports, clubs, church, etc. Ward 3 parents who absolutely need diversity in schools should have no trouble lotterying into EOTP schools.

I think diversity is more than a "bonus" and consider it a fact of life my kids (and others) should be exposed to and my sense is most WOTP parents are open minded enough to agree - after all most of us could buy our way out of diversity if we so choose.

But there are a large number of OOB students at Wilson so there is no reason diversity needs to come at the expense of overcrowding - like everything else it is a question of whether there is enough political courage to actually enforce the paper boundaries the school has but that has been discussed elsewhere in this thead and others.

Without the OOB students Wilson would be segregated. If you end OOB rights you will lose diversity and it will still be overcrowded.

The only solution that solves both problems is re-routing at least 2 current schools from the feeder pattern and replacing with one feeder that is mostly minority.

Those schools are the source of most of Wilson's behavior problems. Jettison them!

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I don't see anyone in MoCo getting their panties in a knot that Whitman has no kids from Briggs Chaney. Schools tend to fill from their localities and when parents invest in a school, whether through high taxes of expensive property purchases, sweat equity/volunteering or both, they expect results... not social engineering.

BTW, why is it that South Asians and East Asians never count as "diversity" in majority-Black DC?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see anyone in MoCo getting their panties in a knot that Whitman has no kids from Briggs Chaney. Schools tend to fill from their localities and when parents invest in a school, whether through high taxes of expensive property purchases, sweat equity/volunteering or both, they expect results... not social engineering.

BTW, why is it that South Asians and East Asians never count as "diversity" in majority-Black DC?

The reason that Montgomery County's magnet programs are in the eastern and southern parts of the county is to integrate what were headed to becoming majority minority schools (e.g. Blair). The DC problem is that Wilson has virtually all the white / wealthy students and every other high school is majority minority and poor.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see anyone in MoCo getting their panties in a knot that Whitman has no kids from Briggs Chaney. Schools tend to fill from their localities and when parents invest in a school, whether through high taxes of expensive property purchases, sweat equity/volunteering or both, they expect results... not social engineering.

BTW, why is it that South Asians and East Asians never count as "diversity" in majority-Black DC?

There are routinely star fights about resources for schools but Montgomery county is politically powerful in Maryland - vs ward 3 not being politically powerful in D.C.'S larger dynamics. So Whitman parents maintain what they pay for in taxes house values and political contributions. But they also leave the school management alone for the most part since it's not seen as a choice or option. Btw few few Whitman families choose Blair even if they got in. All that said the college patterns of similar kids at Wilson end up very similar to Whitman kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see anyone in MoCo getting their panties in a knot that Whitman has no kids from Briggs Chaney. Schools tend to fill from their localities and when parents invest in a school, whether through high taxes of expensive property purchases, sweat equity/volunteering or both, they expect results... not social engineering.

BTW, why is it that South Asians and East Asians never count as "diversity" in majority-Black DC?

There are routinely star fights about resources for schools but Montgomery county is politically powerful in Maryland - vs ward 3 not being politically powerful in D.C.'S larger dynamics. So Whitman parents maintain what they pay for in taxes house values and political contributions. But they also leave the school management alone for the most part since it's not seen as a choice or option. Btw few few Whitman families choose Blair even if they got in. All that said the college patterns of similar kids at Wilson end up very similar to Whitman kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see anyone in MoCo getting their panties in a knot that Whitman has no kids from Briggs Chaney. Schools tend to fill from their localities and when parents invest in a school, whether through high taxes of expensive property purchases, sweat equity/volunteering or both, they expect results... not social engineering.

BTW, why is it that South Asians and East Asians never count as "diversity" in majority-Black DC?

There are routinely star fights about resources for schools but Montgomery county is politically powerful in Maryland - vs ward 3 not being politically powerful in D.C.'S larger dynamics. So Whitman parents maintain what they pay for in taxes house values and political contributions. But they also leave the school management alone for the most part since it's not seen as a choice or option. Btw few few Whitman families choose Blair even if they got in. All that said the college patterns of similar kids at Wilson end up very similar to Whitman kids.

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[Anonymous]

Proof that Wilson and Whitman kids have similar college patterns please?

[Anonymous]

Proof also please that most Whitman bound students turn down the Blair magnet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Proof also please that most Whitman bound students turn down the Blair magnet.

NP. But read the MD boards for confirmation. Many Whitman pyramid students stay at their home schools because of sports or distance or they don't want to be in a science magnet program (similar to students who choose Wilson over Walls or Banneker).

The Blair program succeeds in attracting a lot of talented students from all over the county to that school and significantly improving its scores. Keep in mind the magnet program is very small (~150 per grade). There is a regular high school program at Blair which most kids are on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Proof also please that most Whitman bound students turn down the Blair magnet.

NP. But read the MD boards for confirmation. Many Whitman pyramid students stay at their home schools because of sports or distance or they don't want to be in a science magnet program (similar to students who choose Wilson over Walls or Banneker).

The Blair program succeeds in attracting a lot of talented students from all over the county to that school and significantly improving its scores. Keep in mind the magnet program is very small (~150 per grade). There is a regular high school program at Blair which most kids are on.

. Your post confuses me. Are you saying the Whitman students apply to the magnet and are admitted, but choose not to attend because they don't really want to be in a science magnet??? Then why do they apply in the first place?

Also, Last time I checked, the magnet was roughly 100 students, not 150. Has it grown?

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Anonymous wrote:One other thing to consider is that if Wilson ever goes all IB, that's a tremendous loss of enrollment. Part of what makes Wilson so successful now is the large number of students- so they can offer lots of great classss plus advanced maths, physics, languages etc. Even if you counter with "well if we could just become all IB upper income white kids therefore we will attract more iB parents who currently send their kids private" the demographic projections don't bear this out. No matter how you slice those numbers, the HS pop of IB families is dropping, not growing enough to fill those empty OOB seats. So whenever people complain about OOB kids ruining Wilson, I thank god for them because if not for OOB Wilson would have died on the vine a long time ago.

I don't know what numbers you are referring to (and I've scrutinized them) but there is no evidence of this - at the rising 5th grade level at just Janney, Murch & Lafayette there are 375 students and that is just a fraction of the IB population and Deal is already almost as big as Wilson.

Sure some of the kids from the adjacent 3 schools will go private but most won't.

The loss of Wilson going all IB would be in diversity so for that reason I hope it doesn't happen but there is a crush of in-boundary kids bound for Wilson over the next 4-5 years.

Diversity is a nice bonus. But not at the cost of overcrowding. There are lots of other opportunities to surround your child with diversity: sports, clubs, church, etc. Ward 3 parents who absolutely need diversity in schools should have no trouble lotterying into EOTP schools.

I think diversity is more than a "bonus" and consider it a fact of life my kids (and others) should be exposed to and my sense is most WOTP parents are open minded enough to agree - after all most of us could buy our way out of diversity if we so choose.

But there are a large number of OOB students at Wilson so there is no reason diversity needs to come at the expense of overcrowding - like everything else it is a question of whether there is enough political courage to actually enforce the paper boundaries the school has but that has been discussed elsewhere in this thead and others.

Without the OOB students Wilson would be segregated. If you end OOB rights you will lose diversity and it will still be overcrowded.

The only solution that solves both problems is re-routing at least 2 current schools from the feeder pattern and replacing with one feeder that is mostly minority.

Those schools are the source of most of Wilson's behavior problems. Jettison them!

What schools are you talking about jettisoning?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Proof that Wilson and Whitman kids have similar college patterns please?

Google is your friend http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Magazine/September-October-2016/The-College-Chart/

http://www.wilsonhs.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=127999&type=d&termREC_ID=&pREC_ID=566585

and check out college confidential.

As an Ivy grad - sending my kids to Wilson & went to HS in Mont Co, would rather have my kids applying from Wilson than Whitman...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Um, the diversity is not a nice bonus to white parents! It's a legal obligation towards black kids. There was a school district in Mississippi that was forced to consolidated high schools and jr highs due to having an all-white school. So DCPS correctly and appropriately will be cautious about taking any measures that will result in the most academically advanced high school and jr high becoming all-white. Obviously the current Justice Department is not likely to take action in this way, but it's a little nuts to think that DCPS will consciously take policy steps that will result in re-segregation.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/14/us/cleveland-mississippi-school-desegregation-settlement/index.html

I totally disagree with this. Limiting the feeder rights of OOB students or revising the feeder patterns is not even close to "resegregation," and there's no way it would lead to Deal being "all white." Deal would remain one of the most racially diverse schools in the city. There is no way any of the proposals being considered leads to a federal lawsuit against DCPS.

We're talking about Wilson, not Deal.

Deal is only 63% IB. Take away those OOB, and it would look quite different demogaphically. As it is, Deal is 46% White, 30% Black, 13% Latino, 5% Asian and 5% multi-racial.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One other thing to consider is that if Wilson ever goes all IB, that's a tremendous loss of enrollment. Part of what makes Wilson so successful now is the large number of students- so they can offer lots of great classss plus advanced maths, physics, languages etc. Even if you counter with "well if we could just become all IB upper income white kids therefore we will attract more iB parents who currently send their kids private" the demographic projections don't bear this out. No matter how you slice those numbers, the HS pop of IB families is dropping, not growing enough to fill those empty OOB seats. So whenever people complain about OOB kids ruining Wilson, I thank god for them because if not for OOB Wilson would have died on the vine a long time ago.

I don't know what numbers you are referring to (and I've scrutinized them) but there is no evidence of this - at the rising 5th grade level at just Janney, Murch & Lafayette there are 375 students and that is just a fraction of the IB population and Deal is already almost as big as Wilson.

Sure some of the kids from the adjacent 3 schools will go private but most won't.

The loss of Wilson going all IB would be in diversity so for that reason I hope it doesn't happen but there is a crush of in-boundary kids bound for Wilson over the next 4-5 years.

Diversity is a nice bonus. But not at the cost of overcrowding. There are lots of other opportunities to surround your child with diversity: sports, clubs, church, etc. Ward 3 parents who absolutely need diversity in schools should have no trouble lotterying into EOTP schools.

I think diversity is more than a "bonus" and consider it a fact of life my kids (and others) should be exposed to and my sense is most WOTP parents are open minded enough to agree - after all most of us could buy our way out of diversity if we so choose.

But there are a large number of OOB students at Wilson so there is no reason diversity needs to come at the expense of overcrowding - like everything else it is a question of whether there is enough political courage to actually enforce the paper boundaries the school has but that has been discussed elsewhere in this thead and others.

Without the OOB students Wilson would be segregated. If you end OOB rights you will lose diversity and it will still be overcrowded.

The only solution that solves both problems is re-routing at least 2 current schools from the feeder pattern and replacing with one feeder that is mostly minority.

That's ridiculous. There are plenty of black people who live IB for Wilson.