If you are Muslim (or raised Muslim) and drink...

[Anonymous]

To poster on 7/12/2017 at 16:42 or any other Muslim:

I'm not Muslim, so that's an interesting insight into Muslims in Amerika.

What percentage of the Muslims you personally know would you say regularly practice the Five Pillars, read the Qur'an, have read the Life of Muhammad, and study ahadeeth such as Bukhari or Abu Muslim?

If a non-theistic Kufaar asked them who Hanifa, Malik, Shaf'i and Hanbal were would they even know what he was talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am Muslim and did drink socially for a couple of years. I would censor pics online (rather, avoid taking pics while imbibing). Almost all of the Muslims I know that drink or smoke (or wear revealing clothes) are similar.

OP here, and I have tended to do the same, as do most of those Muslims I know who drink, although I'm kind of tired of the censoring. It's kind of absurd - we all do it... and know many of our peers do... but why the censoring? Because of one or two aunties/uncles?

Your social media only has 1-2 aunties/uncles who'd judge? For me it would be my parents, every real aunt/uncle/much older cousin, and then the various aunties/uncles who aren't real family. IDK if my family is overly conservative or not; most of the older gen prays 5 times/day but no one does hijab etc., everyone wears American clothing etc. Not worth it to me. I can do what I do without pics - I rarely post pics anyway so I certainly wouldn't with drinks in hand.

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Disinterested observer here.

At what point do American Muslims, who may have been born here, so identify with Western ways,

and in practice distance themselves from what Islam calls you to do (for example, the Five Pillars)

that you are Muslim in name only? If that is the case, if your behavior is indistinguishable from your secular humanist friends,

why not end the charade by leaving Islam?

You could ask the same of many, many christians here too. Why not end the charade that is Christianity? People believe and practice on a spectrum. And the cultural aspects of religion are deeply ingrained. I don't believe in God but Christmas is a huge, fun, loving family holiday for me. Many Muslims who have stopped daily prayer, for example, feel the same way. Same for many secular Jews. In fact, I think it's less likely someone from a religious minority such as Judaism or Islam would ever completely disinherit their religious roots. The rituals and identity are such an ingrained part of family life.

[Anonymous]

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Disinterested observer here.

At what point do American Muslims, who may have been born here, so identify with Western ways,

and in practice distance themselves from what Islam calls you to do (for example, the Five Pillars)

that you are Muslim in name only? If that is the case, if your behavior is indistinguishable from your secular humanist friends,

why not end the charade by leaving Islam?



Why not end the charade that is Christianity?


Nice attempted deflection. It isn't the belief system that's the charade. It's the pretense people who haven't the integrity to practice what they preach who are the charade.

One needs to be deeply uninformed about Islam and Western culture to think they're identical. That they value the same things. If a Muslim who chooses to live in the West and has adapted Western values so identifies with the West, why not leave Islam?

I doubt an enraged Salafist would decapitate anyone in suburban DC.

When you speak of "it's a cultural thing," Islam at its root is a nomadic pre-literate Bedouin Arab culture that advanced itself by Jihad.

It acquired the civilizational advantages of Roman/Greco Christian "Byzantium" and Zoroastrian Persia, both cultures orders of magnitude more advanced than theirs, by ** conquest. **

Now wait for the apologist "scholarship" deluge.