The higher the demand, the lower the percent of economically disadvantaged students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are solidly middle-class and comfortable and went to ivy leagues for higher education and our kids attend a charter school that is more than 50% low SES. Our kids are thriving and are academically on par or above with kids of our friends - most of whom are solidly middle-class like us or very high SES. Our friends "marvel" at how well are kids are doing and I give credit to the school all the time, plus the fact that we are very engaged parents. Despite this, most of our circle would never consider sending their kids to our school. They prefer to pay for private when they strike out at one of the schools that has a much higher percentage of high SES students and a higher percentage of white students. There is honesty around this and it is known that our values do not align with theirs on this. We are happy and interestingly, they are the ones who complain all the time and struggle to cope with learning and behavior issues at their schools. But if you see black and brown and low income as "not good" then educational segregation will just continue and the charter school system is not immune.

+1

We have a similar experience at our EOTP DCPS.

This has got to be elementary level. Come talk to us in 8-9th grade.

[Anonymous]

Another factor is that high SES families will move to MOCO or NOVA if they don't have a good school in DC. Some schools are higher SES than they would have been because families stay in the city because they got into them. That's part of why looking at a school's differential in SES for high grades versus lower grades can sometimes tell you about whether high SES families thinks it's good enough in higher grades to stay in the city for.

Of course, whether it has a good middle school track is another factor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are solidly middle-class and comfortable and went to ivy leagues for higher education and our kids attend a charter school that is more than 50% low SES. Our kids are thriving and are academically on par or above with kids of our friends - most of whom are solidly middle-class like us or very high SES. Our friends "marvel" at how well are kids are doing and I give credit to the school all the time, plus the fact that we are very engaged parents. Despite this, most of our circle would never consider sending their kids to our school. They prefer to pay for private when they strike out at one of the schools that has a much higher percentage of high SES students and a higher percentage of white students. There is honesty around this and it is known that our values do not align with theirs on this. We are happy and interestingly, they are the ones who complain all the time and struggle to cope with learning and behavior issues at their schools. But if you see black and brown and low income as "not good" then educational segregation will just continue and the charter school system is not immune.

+1

We have a similar experience at our EOTP DCPS.

This has got to be elementary level. Come talk to us in 8-9th grade.

Mine are elementary level. I've also seen enough kids of friends go through 8th (it's an education campus) to have a decent idea of what it's like. Not so much at 9th / the neighborhood high school. But there are other test-in options at the high school level

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are solidly middle-class and comfortable and went to ivy leagues for higher education and our kids attend a charter school that is more than 50% low SES. Our kids are thriving and are academically on par or above with kids of our friends - most of whom are solidly middle-class like us or very high SES. Our friends "marvel" at how well are kids are doing and I give credit to the school all the time, plus the fact that we are very engaged parents. Despite this, most of our circle would never consider sending their kids to our school. They prefer to pay for private when they strike out at one of the schools that has a much higher percentage of high SES students and a higher percentage of white students. There is honesty around this and it is known that our values do not align with theirs on this. We are happy and interestingly, they are the ones who complain all the time and struggle to cope with learning and behavior issues at their schools. But if you see black and brown and low income as "not good" then educational segregation will just continue and the charter school system is not immune.

+1

We have a similar experience at our EOTP DCPS.

This has got to be elementary level. Come talk to us in 8-9th grade.

Mine are elementary level. I've also seen enough kids of friends go through 8th (it's an education campus) to have a decent idea of what it's like. Not so much at 9th / the neighborhood high school. But there are other test-in options at the high school level

When is your EC shifting to a MS? Aren't they all on that path now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are solidly middle-class and comfortable and went to ivy leagues for higher education and our kids attend a charter school that is more than 50% low SES. Our kids are thriving and are academically on par or above with kids of our friends - most of whom are solidly middle-class like us or very high SES. Our friends "marvel" at how well are kids are doing and I give credit to the school all the time, plus the fact that we are very engaged parents. Despite this, most of our circle would never consider sending their kids to our school. They prefer to pay for private when they strike out at one of the schools that has a much higher percentage of high SES students and a higher percentage of white students. There is honesty around this and it is known that our values do not align with theirs on this. We are happy and interestingly, they are the ones who complain all the time and struggle to cope with learning and behavior issues at their schools. But if you see black and brown and low income as "not good" then educational segregation will just continue and the charter school system is not immune.

+1

We have a similar experience at our EOTP DCPS.

This has got to be elementary level. Come talk to us in 8-9th grade.

Mine are elementary level. I've also seen enough kids of friends go through 8th (it's an education campus) to have a decent idea of what it's like. Not so much at 9th / the neighborhood high school. But there are other test-in options at the high school level

When is your EC shifting to a MS? Aren't they all on that path now?

In a couple of years, so we'll see what the MS is like. But I won't rule it out the same way many posters here seem to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are solidly middle-class and comfortable and went to ivy leagues for higher education and our kids attend a charter school that is more than 50% low SES. Our kids are thriving and are academically on par or above with kids of our friends - most of whom are solidly middle-class like us or very high SES. Our friends "marvel" at how well are kids are doing and I give credit to the school all the time, plus the fact that we are very engaged parents. Despite this, most of our circle would never consider sending their kids to our school. They prefer to pay for private when they strike out at one of the schools that has a much higher percentage of high SES students and a higher percentage of white students. There is honesty around this and it is known that our values do not align with theirs on this. We are happy and interestingly, they are the ones who complain all the time and struggle to cope with learning and behavior issues at their schools. But if you see black and brown and low income as "not good" then educational segregation will just continue and the charter school system is not immune.

+1

We have a similar experience at our EOTP DCPS.

This has got to be elementary level. Come talk to us in 8-9th grade.

Mine are elementary level. I've also seen enough kids of friends go through 8th (it's an education campus) to have a decent idea of what it's like. Not so much at 9th / the neighborhood high school. But there are other test-in options at the high school level

When is your EC shifting to a MS? Aren't they all on that path now?

In a couple of years, so we'll see what the MS is like. But I won't rule it out the same way many posters here seem to.

I respect you for keeping an open mind but countless others have been in a similar situation before. The stats don't lie almost everyone with any means leaves or goes private or gets lucky and goes to a very small amount of charters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are solidly middle-class and comfortable and went to ivy leagues for higher education and our kids attend a charter school that is more than 50% low SES. Our kids are thriving and are academically on par or above with kids of our friends - most of whom are solidly middle-class like us or very high SES. Our friends "marvel" at how well are kids are doing and I give credit to the school all the time, plus the fact that we are very engaged parents. Despite this, most of our circle would never consider sending their kids to our school. They prefer to pay for private when they strike out at one of the schools that has a much higher percentage of high SES students and a higher percentage of white students. There is honesty around this and it is known that our values do not align with theirs on this. We are happy and interestingly, they are the ones who complain all the time and struggle to cope with learning and behavior issues at their schools. But if you see black and brown and low income as "not good" then educational segregation will just continue and the charter school system is not immune.

+1

We have a similar experience at our EOTP DCPS.

This has got to be elementary level. Come talk to us in 8-9th grade.

Mine are elementary level. I've also seen enough kids of friends go through 8th (it's an education campus) to have a decent idea of what it's like. Not so much at 9th / the neighborhood high school. But there are other test-in options at the high school level

When is your EC shifting to a MS? Aren't they all on that path now?

In a couple of years, so we'll see what the MS is like. But I won't rule it out the same way many posters here seem to.

I respect you for keeping an open mind but countless others have been in a similar situation before. The stats don't lie almost everyone with any means leaves or goes private or gets lucky and goes to a very small amount of charters.

I'd give people benefit of the doubt that it was for a good reason. But there's probably a number of other people who just make different decisions. They're probably the same people who told me that I'd never have my kids in elementary grades EOTP, and they turned out to be wrong.
I just can't see doing something because that's what other people did.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
From the data, it would seem that as a school raises in profile and its waitlist increases in size, that waitlist would have a greater percent of higher SES students. The result is that the percent disadvantaged will continue to decrease year-by-year for that school.

Yes and no.

Cap City used to have a much higher percentage of high SES students than they do now. Then other charters emerged, they expanded to middle and high school and moved to Ward 4. These things can absolutely change over time.

The MS/HS expansion didn't hurt them. It just didn't help them. What hurt them was the many new charters more willing to server higher SES interests, and of course leaving Ward 1 for Ward 4 (though to be fair there was never any future for athletics at the Ward 1 location - and sports/teams/clubs/activities matter SO much at that age.

[Anonymous]

OP - I would love to see the raw data from which you estimated. For instance - Two Rivers has 50%+ economically disadvantaged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP - I would love to see the raw data from which you estimated. For instance - Two Rivers has 50%+ economically disadvantaged.

OP here. I just took the waitlist data and cross-referenced with the percent economically disadvantaged, as reported in the Equity Reports.
The 200-500 / 100-200 / 50-100 are the total amount of schools. The 0-50 is a random selection of schools.

200-500 Waitlist PK3 Waitlist Disadvantaged % Average Disadvantaged % for 200-500 WL
LAMB 643 27.8 37.8
Mundo Verde 531 35.3
DC Bilingual 406 82.9
Creative Minds DC Bilingual 394 22.8
Yu Ying 389 11.4
Two Rivers 4th 370 50.8
Elsie Stokes Span 344 52.9
Lee Montessori 258 36.5
Inspired Teaching 245 20.4

100-200 Waitlist PK3 Waitlist Disadvantaged % Average Disadvantaged % for 100-200 WL
Two Rivers Young 183 50.8 54.35
E.L. Hayes 173 66.7
Shining Stars 147 50
Bridges 128 64.9
Capital City PCS 120 67
AppleTree LincolnPark 120 26.7

50-100 PK3 Disadvantaged % Average Disadvantaged % for 50-100 WL
MMB 16th 93 99.5 86
AppleTree CoHeights 82 68.4
CenterCity Brightwood 53 76.6

0-50 Waitlist PK3 Disadvantaged % Average Disadvantaged % for 10 randomly selected 0-50 Waitlist
[10 randomly selected]
Center City Capital Hill 8 68.4 90.81
DC Prep Edgewood 4 76.9
Friendship PCS Blow Pierce 1 100
KIPP Discover 5 100
Hope Tolson 0 80.6
Center City Petworth 26 83.7
Meridian PCS 10 98.9
DC Scholars 6 100
Idea PCS 3 100
Achievement Wahler 38 99.6

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately, that did not format well.

The first number is the amount of kids on PK3 waitlist, second is % economically disadvantaged, and for the first line of each category the 3rd number is the average for all schools.

[Anonymous]

easier to read:

200-500 Waitlist ------------------ PK3 Waitlist ---------------------Disadvantaged % ---------------------- Average Disadvantaged % for 200-500 WL

LAMB ------------------------------643 -------------------------------27.8 -------------------------------------37.8
Mundo Verde ----------------------531------------------------------- 35.3
DC Bilingual ----------------------406-------------------------------- 82.9
Creative Minds DC Bilingual -----394-------------------------------- 22.8
Yu Ying ---------------------------389 --------------------------------11.4
Two Rivers 4th -------------------370-------------------------------- 50.8
Elsie Stokes Span ----------------344-------------------------------- 52.9
Lee Montessori -------------------258-------------------------------- 36.5
Inspired Teaching ----------------245-------------------------------- 20.4

100-200 Waitlist ----------------PK3 Waitlist -----------------------Disadvantaged % ------------------------Average Disadvantaged % for 100-200 WL
Two Rivers Young ---------------183 --------------------------------50.8 --------------------------------------54.35
E.L. Hayes -----------------------173 --------------------------------66.7
Shining Stars --------------------147-------------------------------- 50
Bridges --------------------------128 ---------------------------------64.9
Capital City PCS -----------------120 ---------------------------------67
AppleTree LincolnPark ----------120 ---------------------------------26.7

50-100 Waitlist -----------------PK3 Waitlist ---------------------Disadvantaged % ------------------Average Disadvantaged % for 50-100 WL
MMB 16th -----------------------93 -------------------------------99.5 ---------------------------------86
AppleTree CoHeights -----------82 -------------------------------68.4
CenterCity Brightwood ---------53 -------------------------------76.6

0-50 Waitlist -------------------PK3 Waitlist ---------------------Disadvantaged % -------------------Average Disadvantaged % for 10 randomly selected 0-50 Waitlist
[10 randomly selected]
Center City Capital Hill ---------8 --------------------------------68.4 ---------------------------------90.81
DC Prep Edgewood -------------4 --------------------------------76.9
Friendship PCS Blow Pierce ----1 --------------------------------100
KIPP Discover -------------------5 --------------------------------100
Hope Tolson ---------------------0 --------------------------------80.6
Center City Petworth -----------26 -------------------------------83.7
Meridian PCS -------------------10 --------------------------------98.9
DC Scholars ---------------------6 ---------------------------------100
Idea PCS ------------------------3 ---------------------------------100
Achievement Wahler -----------38 --------------------------------99.6

[Anonymous]

So - the problem with trying to use the PreK3 waiting list as the benchmark comparison is that The demographics for PreK3 tend not to look anything like the upper elementary grades at many of the schools. The language immersion schools are somewhat of an exception to this. So, at my school - which is one of those listed above - the PreK3 demographics are that it is a pretty small percentage of lower SES and if only the PreK3 students were looked at, the school would not qualify as a Title I school. But, by the time you get to second grade that has changed entirely and the school is solidly Title I. And, most of the families who have left did not do so because of behavior issues at the school or concerns regarding the academics - there are no real complaints on that front. It comes down to a "grass is greener" mentality, which, unfortunately, does seem to be driven by issues of race and class.

[Anonymous]

Some of those numbers are pretty shocking. Yu Ying at less than 12% economically disadvantaged? Wow!

What is the percentage of students in DC that are economically disadvantaged?

What is Yu Ying's plan to diversify economically? Are they doing outreach?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of those numbers are pretty shocking. Yu Ying at less than 12% economically disadvantaged? Wow!

What is the percentage of students in DC that are economically disadvantaged?

What is Yu Ying's plan to diversify economically? Are they doing outreach?

as a whole, I believe about 45% are economically disadvantaged. of course, for the public schools there is a segregation based on inbound location. i.e. upper NW very privileged and SE highly disadvantaged.

the goal of the charter system is to provide quality education to students - as stated by the charter laws. there are some exceptions, but economic diversity is essential to improving the system as a whole.

how can the charter system not be seen as a failure if less than 10% of the schools are in any way economically diverse...