Does Janney fund classroom aides?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These teachers have a choice. They can select to be employed by DCPS or not.

It is not as if the Janney PTA is limiting their ability for employment. Janney PTA offered a position, they accepted. They know what DCPS offers - it is not a secret.

What? So confused. The teachers work for DCPS. Always have and always will.

No. The lead teachers work for DCPS. The ELL and special education/reading specialists work for DCPS. The other extra teachers for 1st-5th are hired by the Janney PTA.

I know, that is what I was saying too. But the PP before you (maybe it's you) seemed to imply that all teachers have a choice about who they work for.

[Anonymous]

This is not a molehill. It's a significant equity issue. Class sizes are the same size in these schools as others tht can't afford aides for every class.

And no, Title I funds don't even things out. Title I funds go toward things that students at Janney or Murch simply don't need -- like additional social workers and psychologists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is not a molehill. It's a significant equity issue. Class sizes are the same size in these schools as others tht can't afford aides for every class.

And no, Title I funds don't even things out. Title I funds go toward things that students at Janney or Murch simply don't need -- like additional social workers and psychologists.

Before you freak out too much, with the exception of Mann, there are not aides in every classroom. Janney for instance, has 2 aides to spread among all 5 first grade classes. No aides in the upper grades. And remember that title 1 funding keeps those schools class sizes much smaller across the board.

[Anonymous]

Go look at the actual funding that each school gets from DC. It is fascinating.

After you look at the real money - start a conversation about equity in funding from DCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go look at the actual funding that each school gets from DC. It is fascinating.

After you look at the real money - start a conversation about equity in funding from DCPS.

Why don't you tell us your conclusions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These teachers have a choice. They can select to be employed by DCPS or not.

It is not as if the Janney PTA is limiting their ability for employment. Janney PTA offered a position, they accepted. They know what DCPS offers - it is not a secret.

What? So confused. The teachers work for DCPS. Always have and always will.

No. The lead teachers work for DCPS. The ELL and special education/reading specialists work for DCPS. The other extra teachers for 1st-5th are hired by the Janney PTA.

We've been thinking about this for our school. How does the benefits for the hires work? And are there insurance issues that need to be addressed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These teachers have a choice. They can select to be employed by DCPS or not.

It is not as if the Janney PTA is limiting their ability for employment. Janney PTA offered a position, they accepted. They know what DCPS offers - it is not a secret.

What? So confused. The teachers work for DCPS. Always have and always will.

No. The lead teachers work for DCPS. The ELL and special education/reading specialists work for DCPS. The other extra teachers for 1st-5th are hired by the Janney PTA.

We've been thinking about this for our school. How does the benefits for the hires work? And are there insurance issues that need to be addressed?

PTA would have to be willing to provide all of that, as well as manage sick leave, maternity and so forth. Typically benefits cost about 35% of the salary.

IMO this is a fairness/employment issue vis a vis the other school staff. Even if you can offer insurance, a PTA is unlikely to offer any sort of parity in terms of retirement benefits, professional development and so forth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These teachers have a choice. They can select to be employed by DCPS or not.

It is not as if the Janney PTA is limiting their ability for employment. Janney PTA offered a position, they accepted. They know what DCPS offers - it is not a secret.

What? So confused. The teachers work for DCPS. Always have and always will.

No. The lead teachers work for DCPS. The ELL and special education/reading specialists work for DCPS. The other extra teachers for 1st-5th are hired by the Janney PTA.

We've been thinking about this for our school. How does the benefits for the hires work? And are there insurance issues that need to be addressed?

PTA would have to be willing to provide all of that, as well as manage sick leave, maternity and so forth. Typically benefits cost about 35% of the salary.

IMO this is a fairness/employment issue vis a vis the other school staff. Even if you can offer insurance, a PTA is unlikely to offer any sort of parity in terms of retirement benefits, professional development and so forth.

Classroom aids are basically administrative, giving teacher more time to teach. They handle non-teaching tasks for teachers like photocopying, cutting starts out, stuffing folders, walking kids to resources classes, and stuff a parent volunteer in the classroom could do, etc. They are not teachers. They don't do professional development. They do not work the same hours as teachers.

[Anonymous]

"Classroom aids are basically administrative, giving teacher more time to teach. They handle non-teaching tasks for teachers like photocopying, cutting starts out, stuffing folders, walking kids to resources classes, and stuff a parent volunteer in the classroom could do, etc. They are not teachers. They don't do professional development. They do not work the same hours as teachers."

WTF is wrong with you? That is 100% false. No, they are not "aides," and yes, they do teach the students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go look at the actual funding that each school gets from DC. It is fascinating.

After you look at the real money - start a conversation about equity in funding from DCPS.

Why don't you tell us your conclusions?

http://dcpsdatacenter.com/assets/docs/pdfs/fy17initialallocation_Janney%20ES.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Classroom aids are basically administrative, giving teacher more time to teach. They handle non-teaching tasks for teachers like photocopying, cutting starts out, stuffing folders, walking kids to resources classes, and stuff a parent volunteer in the classroom could do, etc. They are not teachers. They don't do professional development. They do not work the same hours as teachers."

WTF is wrong with you? That is 100% false. No, they are not "aides," and yes, they do teach the students.

Actually this is consistent with my observation of K and First aides.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Classroom aids are basically administrative, giving teacher more time to teach. They handle non-teaching tasks for teachers like photocopying, cutting starts out, stuffing folders, walking kids to resources classes, and stuff a parent volunteer in the classroom could do, etc. They are not teachers. They don't do professional development. They do not work the same hours as teachers."

WTF is wrong with you? That is 100% false. No, they are not "aides," and yes, they do teach the students.

Nothing is wrong with me. This is the description of the PTA aids at our school. If they act as teachers at yours, then you do have a problem. I hope you are complying with the collective bargaining agreement!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Classroom aids are basically administrative, giving teacher more time to teach. They handle non-teaching tasks for teachers like photocopying, cutting starts out, stuffing folders, walking kids to resources classes, and stuff a parent volunteer in the classroom could do, etc. They are not teachers. They don't do professional development. They do not work the same hours as teachers."

WTF is wrong with you? That is 100% false. No, they are not "aides," and yes, they do teach the students.

Nothing is wrong with me. This is the description of the PTA aids at our school. If they act as teachers at yours, then you do have a problem. I hope you are complying with the collective bargaining agreement!

NP-if your PTA teachers or aids aren't abiding by the CBA, these could be at risk all over the city. As you can see from the other thread the lack of a contract between WTU and DCPS is coming to a head.

It is NOT ok for PTAs to pay for extra people to teach kids during school hours. It just isn't.

[Anonymous]

Nothing is wrong with me. This is the description of the PTA aids at our school. If they act as teachers at yours, then you do have a problem. I hope you are complying with the collective bargaining agreement"

Why are you commenting about school that isn't Janney in a thread about Janney? The question was about Janney. If your school has a different system, that's great for you, but hasn't nothing to do with this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nothing is wrong with me. This is the description of the PTA aids at our school. If they act as teachers at yours, then you do have a problem. I hope you are complying with the collective bargaining agreement"

Why are you commenting about school that isn't Janney in a thread about Janney? The question was about Janney. If your school has a different system, that's great for you, but hasn't nothing to do with this thread.