This latest Time magazine cover pretty much summarizes the state of the Democratic party

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, the Democratic party is not the party of Clinton or Carter or even JFK. It most resembles the party of McGovern in 1972 and McGovern was destroyed by Nixon in that election.

We are headed in the same direction.

BS.

It is the truth and until the Democrats are destroyed repeatedly nothing will change. It took Nixon defeating McGovern by a landslide, Reagan defeating Carter and Mondale by landslides before the Democrats realized they were totally out of touch with the American people ...... and that is what gave birth to the Clinton presidency.

There are Democrats who feel that the way to win flyover country is for them to move there and increase the numbers. How about a simpler approach: figure out what those voters in flyover country want and see if one can respond to their needs. It was the message that Trump sold them. Whether he can deliver or not remains to be seen but his supporters to this point feel that at least he is trying even as he gets beaten down by the media and some in the establishment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, the Democratic party is not the party of Clinton or Carter or even JFK. It most resembles the party of McGovern in 1972 and McGovern was destroyed by Nixon in that election.

We are headed in the same direction.

BS.

It is the truth and until the Democrats are destroyed repeatedly nothing will change. It took Nixon defeating McGovern by a landslide, Reagan defeating Carter and Mondale by landslides before the Democrats realized they were totally out of touch with the American people ...... and that is what gave birth to the Clinton presidency.

There are Democrats who feel that the way to win flyover country is for them to move there and increase the numbers. How about a simpler approach: figure out what those voters in flyover country want and see if one can respond to their needs. It was the message that Trump sold them. Whether he can deliver or not remains to be seen but his supporters to this point feel that at least he is trying even as he gets beaten down by the media and some in the establishment.

Yup. Democrats are way too extreme these days. Trump is the new mainstream.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looking good Chuck: Gotta keep those hair plugs in the front in good shape because that's what the camera captures.

No fan of this President is allowed to make fun of anyone else's hair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One difference between Trump and Bill Clinton: Clinton did not say he wanted to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it!

Maybe not in those words, exactly. But here's Bill Clinton, in his own words, talking about illegal aliens taking our jobs, taking our welfare benefits, stressing out public services, and how we, as Americans, need to stop illegal aliens from entering the U.S.:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7AXizmhgi0

On C-Span. He recieved a standing ovation for his comments on stopping illegal aliens entering the U.S.

+100
I posted that clip on another thread and got no response from Democrats. Crickets. Bill Clinton's views on illegal immigration are the same as Trump's. And Democrats at the time applauded him. The Dem. party has gone way too far left in the subsequent years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One difference between Trump and Bill Clinton: Clinton did not say he wanted to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it!

Maybe not in those words, exactly. But here's Bill Clinton, in his own words, talking about illegal aliens taking our jobs, taking our welfare benefits, stressing out public services, and how we, as Americans, need to stop illegal aliens from entering the U.S.:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7AXizmhgi0

On C-Span. He recieved a standing ovation for his comments on stopping illegal aliens entering the U.S.

+100
I posted that clip on another thread and got no response from Democrats. Crickets. Bill Clinton's views on illegal immigration are the same as Trump's. And Democrats at the time applauded him. The Dem. party has gone way too far left in the subsequent years.

I agree. The party has gone too far left.

It has also failed to prioritize: the economy and working-class jobs should have come way before "transgender bathroom laws." One could argue that jobs were a greater priority, but that wouldn't be the PERCEPTION many voters were left with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One difference between Trump and Bill Clinton: Clinton did not say he wanted to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it!

Maybe not in those words, exactly. But here's Bill Clinton, in his own words, talking about illegal aliens taking our jobs, taking our welfare benefits, stressing out public services, and how we, as Americans, need to stop illegal aliens from entering the U.S.:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7AXizmhgi0

On C-Span. He recieved a standing ovation for his comments on stopping illegal aliens entering the U.S.

Just because Bill said it, it did not and does not make it true.

Anyhow, my prediction is as follows:

The current GOP coalition is made of A) real conservatives who want minimal government involvement in anything (think Cruz) and perfectly happy with Wall Street taking advantage of everyone else, and B) others who have no problem with government intervention and taking strong government action to limit profits of the financial elites as long as they are the beneficiaries and not "the other" (Muslim, immigrants, AA, whatever). Trump won the primaries mostly based on cohort B, by promising to "take care of them" with"amazing cheap government-sponsored Trumpcare", and making life for "the other" terrible. Cohort A went along because he was still better than a Democratic president, obviously, and because they don't care that much about minority rights etc.

You can see these two groups here on DCUM.

Now, his cabinet appointments and actions so far point to the fact that he is trying to appease group A by limiting/destroying government and group B by making life for minorities awful. This is going to work for a while, but eventually, group B will realize that making minorities miserable does not make them happy or any better economically.
Group B will then return where it belongs, the Democratic party, no matter what the immigration talk is, because they will see that immigration is really not a problem.
It's a fake problem created to distract them from the real abusers of the system, the 1%.

Trump is a necessary evil to this end.
Unless he manages to become a Dictator, which I hope not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, we can march and send letters to members of Congress and oppose Trump's nominees but the Democratic party today is flailing, leaderless, demoralized and impotent.

We are led in the House by several septuagenarians who have presided over the decline of the party to its current state. And with at least ten Democratic senators who are up for reelection in 2018 from states that Trump won we may not have hit bottom.

Barf. Doesn't he have any grandchildren to take up his time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One difference between Trump and Bill Clinton: Clinton did not say he wanted to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it!

Maybe not in those words, exactly. But here's Bill Clinton, in his own words, talking about illegal aliens taking our jobs, taking our welfare benefits, stressing out public services, and how we, as Americans, need to stop illegal aliens from entering the U.S.:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7AXizmhgi0

On C-Span. He recieved a standing ovation for his comments on stopping illegal aliens entering the U.S.

Just because Bill said it, it did not and does not make it true.

Anyhow, my prediction is as follows:

The current GOP coalition is made of A) real conservatives who want minimal government involvement in anything (think Cruz) and perfectly happy with Wall Street taking advantage of everyone else, and B) others who have no problem with government intervention and taking strong government action to limit profits of the financial elites as long as they are the beneficiaries and not "the other" (Muslim, immigrants, AA, whatever). Trump won the primaries mostly based on cohort B, by promising to "take care of them" with"amazing cheap government-sponsored Trumpcare", and making life for "the other" terrible. Cohort A went along because he was still better than a Democratic president, obviously, and because they don't care that much about minority rights etc.

You can see these two groups here on DCUM.

Now, his cabinet appointments and actions so far point to the fact that he is trying to appease group A by limiting/destroying government and group B by making life for minorities awful. This is going to work for a while, but eventually, group B will realize that making minorities miserable does not make them happy or any better economically.
Group B will then return where it belongs, the Democratic party, no matter what the immigration talk is, because they will see that immigration is really not a problem.
It's a fake problem created to distract them from the real abusers of the system, the 1%.

Trump is a necessary evil to this end.
Unless he manages to become a Dictator, which I hope not.

And I wanted to add one more thing: group B stuck with Reagan/Bill Clinton economics because the economy of the 80s and 90s (inlluding the bubble) allowed some level of prosperity to trickle down. We now live in a post-industrial society and in a gig-economy, and nothing can be done to "go back". In short order, people in group "B" will demand strong re-distributive policies, because that's the only thing left to do. After trying Trump-onomics for a little while that will become clear to enough folks.
Even the Koch brothers are afraid of a progressive revolution now, as a backlash to failed Trump promises to group B. You can't campaign like FDR, and govern like a ultra-right-wing Reagan without people getting really upset.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about this graphic from the Daily Kos showing the decline of the Democratic party? Not a pretty sight:

Time is on our side. Not so Trump

[Anonymous]

That map is pathetic. Perhaps another march will clean it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about this graphic from the Daily Kos showing the decline of the Democratic party? Not a pretty sight:

Time is on our side. Not so Trump

Maybe. The Dem party slogan is: We're not as bad as the other guy.

It's not exactly a triumph for the masses.

[Anonymous]

Price confirmed as Secretary of HHS at 2 am this morning by 52-47

So all of the efforts by Democrats to block yet another nominee ends up fruitless after endless pontification and grandstanding. To quote the Time cover: "Do Democrats matter?" Clearly not when it comes to confirmations ............

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One difference between Trump and Bill Clinton: Clinton did not say he wanted to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it!

Maybe not in those words, exactly. But here's Bill Clinton, in his own words, talking about illegal aliens taking our jobs, taking our welfare benefits, stressing out public services, and how we, as Americans, need to stop illegal aliens from entering the U.S.:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7AXizmhgi0

On C-Span. He recieved a standing ovation for his comments on stopping illegal aliens entering the U.S.

+100
I posted that clip on another thread and got no response from Democrats. Crickets. Bill Clinton's views on illegal immigration are the same as Trump's. And Democrats at the time applauded him. The Dem. party has gone way too far left in the subsequent years.

I agree. The party has gone too far left.

It has also failed to prioritize: the economy and working-class jobs should have come way before "transgender bathroom laws." One could argue that jobs were a greater priority, but that wouldn't be the PERCEPTION many voters were left with.

Too far left? LOL! The Democrats became the bankers' party with Bill Clinton. Obama's responses to the 2008 Financial Crisis were to watch out for the banks' interests at the expense of the rest of the population.

I somewhat agree on the bathroom laws, though. I think those are good ideas at heart, but the Democrats M.O. has been put identity politics issues out front to distract from the fact that they've become the party of professional class privilege. Cynical stuff!

[Anonymous]

Bill Clinton's winning slogan was "it's the economy stupid". I don't think "it's the bathrooms stupid" would have sold!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bill Clinton's winning slogan was "it's the economy stupid". I don't think "it's the bathrooms stupid" would have sold!

Times change, as do you vehicles for cynical distractions. Clinton's slogan might have been that, but his program was straight fealty to financiers. His 1992 fundtraising was heavily driven by a clique of Goldman Sachs partners and he subsequently gave them the Democratic party. He also gave them a chameleon-like sense of which way the identity politics winds were blowing.

Beating up on HRC and co. is fun, but the mess largely began with her husband.