Obama Booed at All Stars Game...

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631knZM9Uiw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAFCKmJcubU

Video of both - you decide.


I'm more than willing to concede that Bush can throw a better pitch. But, get the two guys on a basketball court and let's see who schools who. Or, even more importantly, let's see which of the two is better at deciding when to launch an invasion and which countries to invade. Let's see which one is more likely to appoint a guy who ran a horse association to be head of FEMA. I'm happy to put up with Obama's poor bowling and baseball skills in exchange for his competence in the skills that matter.





Why - just because Obama is black? If someone else had said that, someone would be crying racism.


Don't you watch television? What, do they not show footage of Obama playing basketball on Fox News? This is common knowledge. Your assumption that race is his only basketball qualification is, in itself, kind of racist.
Anonymous
And we should note, that if George W. Bush bet Obama he could beat Obama at mountain biking that Obama should not take that bet! Just because you're white doesn't mean you don't like white guy sports!
Anonymous


I'm more than willing to concede that Bush can throw a better pitch. But, get the two guys on a basketball court and let's see who schools who. Or, even more importantly, let's see which of the two is better at deciding when to launch an invasion and which countries to invade. Let's see which one is more likely to appoint a guy who ran a horse association to be head of FEMA. I'm happy to put up with Obama's poor bowling and baseball skills in exchange for his competence in the skills that matter.


Remind me again when Obama has had to decide "when to launch an invasion and which countries to invade". How about we reserve judgement and not assume he will do a better job until he actually has to do it.
jsteele
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Anonymous wrote:
Remind me again when Obama has had to decide "when to launch an invasion and which countries to invade". How about we reserve judgement and not assume he will do a better job until he actually has to do it.


Since Obama has been in office, there have been calls to attack both Iran and North Korea. He has apparently decided not too in each case.

More importantly, let's look back to 2002 and the run up to the Iraq invasion. At that time, Bush and his advisors were telling us that a war in Iraq would be short, would mostly be paid for by the Iraqis themselves, and would lead to the spread of democracy throughout the Middle East. In contrast, here is what Obama said:

"I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars."

Who had the more accurate predictions?

Anonymous
My recollection of the 'war on terror' (Iraq was part of this larger strategy) was that Bush said it would be a long, enduring haul. He said that repeatedly, over and over, no doubt concerned about our popcorn attention spans.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My recollection of the 'war on terror' (Iraq was part of this larger strategy) was that Bush said it would be a long, enduring haul. He said that repeatedly, over and over, no doubt concerned about our popcorn attention spans.

That's a new conflation of Saddam with Osama. Very inventive!
Anonymous
Not really. There was a 'Bush Doctrine' and a War on Terror and an argument that Iraq was part of that. There was never a promise that it would be 'easy' or 'short'. I personally think the invasion of Iraq was mis-prioritized, but the escalation of the conflict in Afghanistan perhaps even more so. Obama has not outlined a long-term strategic interest there, nor a strategy there, and we are presumably hoping to build 'democratic institutions' in a country with 2 percent literacy. If Obama was ready to haul a** out of Iraq when the going got tough, what's the best-case scenario for Afghanistan? By the way, my family has fought in all of these conflicts; I have nothing against a serious mission with long-term strategic benefits for the United States (unless it is described from the outset as humanitarian). However, when you send your loved one off you hope there is serious intent/plan/and backing. I am waiting for a big speech from our new Commander in Chief on this. We are engaged in a super-escalated war in the Afghanistan front. Where is he hiding out? How about rallying folks. In this country, you literally would not know we are at war. Except for the price tag, it is no skin of anyone's nose. Waiting for Obama to do more in Afghanistan than send in the Marines. Clearly, they are our most effective short-term force. Marines units are by design not a 'staying force'. What is Obama's next step there? What's the plan, Stan?
Anonymous
Nothing against 'humanitarian' either--just be clear about intent.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:... What is Obama's next step there? What's the plan, Stan?

To add enough troops to get across the message: "I'm the Man, Taliban!" 8)
Anonymous
Tee-hee. Hopefully they are not baseball fans
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My recollection of the 'war on terror' (Iraq was part of this larger strategy) was that Bush said it would be a long, enduring haul. He said that repeatedly, over and over, no doubt concerned about our popcorn attention spans.

I coulda popped about a billion bags of popcorn by now!
Anonymous
Apparently that's what people who thought he was promising a quick fix were doing...

By the way, where is the President putting the prisoners being captured in the current 'surge' in Afghanistan?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My recollection of the 'war on terror' (Iraq was part of this larger strategy) was that Bush said it would be a long, enduring haul. He said that repeatedly, over and over, no doubt concerned about our popcorn attention spans.


All I have to say to that is, "Mission Accomplished!"
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Not really. There was a 'Bush Doctrine' and a War on Terror and an argument that Iraq was part of that. There was never a promise that it would be 'easy' or 'short'. I personally think the invasion of Iraq was mis-prioritized, but the escalation of the conflict in Afghanistan perhaps even more so. Obama has not outlined a long-term strategic interest there, nor a strategy there, and we are presumably hoping to build 'democratic institutions' in a country with 2 percent literacy. If Obama was ready to haul a** out of Iraq when the going got tough, what's the best-case scenario for Afghanistan? By the way, my family has fought in all of these conflicts; I have nothing against a serious mission with long-term strategic benefits for the United States (unless it is described from the outset as humanitarian). However, when you send your loved one off you hope there is serious intent/plan/and backing. I am waiting for a big speech from our new Commander in Chief on this. We are engaged in a super-escalated war in the Afghanistan front. Where is he hiding out? How about rallying folks. In this country, you literally would not know we are at war. Except for the price tag, it is no skin of anyone's nose. Waiting for Obama to do more in Afghanistan than send in the Marines. Clearly, they are our most effective short-term force. Marines units are by design not a 'staying force'. What is Obama's next step there? What's the plan, Stan?

Oh sorry, I thought you were talking about Osama Bin Laden....still at large after all these years!
Anonymous
Funny
Anyhow, I think we can take a few guesses as to where HE's hiding out. We just don't have the political will to target him or Kim Jong Il. Look at the CIA kicking that around for the past decade--too bad they didn't go for it. Imagine all the people saved from starvation and slave camps, but the ACLU would have a freak out. Meanwhile, the president launches a massive secondary stage in the Afghan war whose goal is to use diplomatic strategies (mind you the Dept of State just had to advise him that not ALL his ambassadors could be 'friends of Obama'; some would actually have to be pulled from professional ranks--especially if so much is riding on his 'unclenched fist' diplomatic strategy)....
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