McMullin's NYT Op-Ed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now democrats are suddenly concerned about the Constitution. Well, this is a new wrinkle. I guess their handouts are about to be threatened!

Since the blue states subsidize the red, your handouts statement is comical. And Dems have been defending the constitution for quite a while now. Try reading some legal scholarship. Oh, wait, they don't post those on Infowars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it this way and it is an exaggerated analogy: if David Duke wrote an editorial about the hazards of multi-culturalism, I would not give his comments any consideration even if he cited some legitimate arguments.

This is not to compare McMullin to Duke but a critic has to have some basic credibility before one can take the individual's critique seriously.

I get your point, but I don't think it's an accurate analogy. McMullin, as I understand it, entered the race as a spoiler *because* he perceived Trump as a threat to the Constitution. It's not like this is his latest argument in a series of trying to discredit Trump. This op-ed sums up the entire reason he has opposed him from the start. If he were just a generic #NeverTrump-er, I would find your analogy more apt.

McMullin and other "never Trump" Republicans fundamental objection to Trump was that he was not a genuine conservative ..... and they are right about this. Trump has no fealty to any ideology which is both a strength and weakness. Their other concern was that he was not beholden to the "establishment" and special interests which made him less pliable.

His adherence or lack of adherence to the constitution was something that surfaced later.

That's not true. People were citing his lack of respect for the Constitution when he talked about a Muslim registry and threatened to ban the NYT.

[Anonymous]

I've been following Evan Mcmullin on Twitter since the election and I've been very impressed. I'm a democrat but I would seriously consider voting for him. To me, he comes across as honorable and a thinker like Obama.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've been following Evan Mcmullin on Twitter since the election and I've been very impressed. I'm a democrat but I would seriously consider voting for him. To me, he comes across as honorable and a thinker like Obama.

I wonder if you would have been as impressed with him had he not been opposed to Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Tough to take seriously someone whose expressed goal was to stop Trump.

Exactly.

Why is it so hard to read his words and respond to them. It doesn't necessarily matter what his motivations are. You can also read what he says and decide if you agree.

I'm assuming you both voted Trump, and so you don't see the problems with his Presidency. But many of us do. Dismiss us as haters if you will, it will not change the fact that Trump is not a typical candidate or politician. And that the underlying premise of McMillin's op-ed is true. No one knows what Trump will do, and so he is not accountable to anyone.

I am the first pp and I did not vote for Trump or Hillary - but when someone makes it their expressed goal to stop Trump it questions their basic objectivity.

I don't think McMullin is pretending to be objective here. He clearly perceives Trump as a threat to the Constitution and is proceeding from that premise. This is also why he ran as an independent. I agree with his premise, so I found his Op-Ed compelling. I recognize not everyone here agrees with me, but I'm surprised there isn't anyone else on DCUM who does.

Let me put it this way and it is an exaggerated analogy: if David Duke wrote an editorial about the hazards of multi-culturalism, I would not give his comments any consideration even if he cited some legitimate arguments.

This is not to compare McMullin to Duke but a critic has to have some basic credibility before one can take the individual's critique seriously.

so the only person who can criticize trump is someone who is not a critic of him.

do you guys even listen to yourselves? ludicrous.

[Anonymous]

Amazing how what was a civil discourse on this thread can go downhill so fast!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've been following Evan Mcmullin on Twitter since the election and I've been very impressed. I'm a democrat but I would seriously consider voting for him. To me, he comes across as honorable and a thinker like Obama.

I wonder if you would have been as impressed with him had he not been opposed to Trump.

Well, I'm not sure how to separate the two in this case. I'm sure you are right because you can't really square his principled vision and defense of the constitution with what Trump is doing. My hysteria about Trump is not about policy. It's everything else. I'm honestly jealous of Trump supporters. I wish I thought he was great and this was good for America. Instead, I've been in a state of constant anxiety since the election.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've been following Evan Mcmullin on Twitter since the election and I've been very impressed. I'm a democrat but I would seriously consider voting for him. To me, he comes across as honorable and a thinker like Obama.

I wonder if you would have been as impressed with him had he not been opposed to Trump.

Well, I'm not sure how to separate the two in this case. I'm sure you are right because you can't really square his principled vision and defense of the constitution with what Trump is doing. My hysteria about Trump is not about policy. It's everything else. I'm honestly jealous of Trump supporters. I wish I thought he was great and this was good for America. Instead, I've been in a state of constant anxiety since the election.

As I said, I did not vote for Trump and I have concerns about his adherence to the constitution. But at this point he has been elected president and I will give him a fair chance to implement his policies.

There is this endless criticism by liberals - and I am a liberal - of his cabinet appointments but for the most part he has been nominating people who will implement the policies that he said he would. He will appoint Supreme Court justices who are conservatives because he said he was going to do so. We may not like his choices because of their philosophy but that is an inevitable result of his election.

As Obama said, elections have consequences and Trump's election is no exception.

[Anonymous]

Very ironic a former CIA officer would claim to be interested in the rights of Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've been following Evan Mcmullin on Twitter since the election and I've been very impressed. I'm a democrat but I would seriously consider voting for him. To me, he comes across as honorable and a thinker like Obama.

I wonder if you would have been as impressed with him had he not been opposed to Trump.

Well, I'm not sure how to separate the two in this case. I'm sure you are right because you can't really square his principled vision and defense of the constitution with what Trump is doing. My hysteria about Trump is not about policy. It's everything else. I'm honestly jealous of Trump supporters. I wish I thought he was great and this was good for America. Instead, I've been in a state of constant anxiety since the election.

Exactly. Liberals/progressives/democratics are neurotic and anti-intellectual. Every policy difference or political disagreement is a matter for utter hysteria and paranoia. Witness all those people actually breaking out into tears and throwing temper tantrums when Hillary lost. What immaturity!

And you think you people should be running things?

LOL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been following Evan Mcmullin on Twitter since the election and I've been very impressed. I'm a democrat but I would seriously consider voting for him. To me, he comes across as honorable and a thinker like Obama.

I wonder if you would have been as impressed with him had he not been opposed to Trump.

Well, I'm not sure how to separate the two in this case. I'm sure you are right because you can't really square his principled vision and defense of the constitution with what Trump is doing. My hysteria about Trump is not about policy. It's everything else. I'm honestly jealous of Trump supporters. I wish I thought he was great and this was good for America. Instead, I've been in a state of constant anxiety since the election.

Many Trump voters don't think Trump is "great." Instead, they see someone who may actually get things done. I don't care for Trump much, but I voted for him for this reason. He's not a politician and I'm hoping he governs the way he's run his businesses. With common sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been following Evan Mcmullin on Twitter since the election and I've been very impressed. I'm a democrat but I would seriously consider voting for him. To me, he comes across as honorable and a thinker like Obama.

I wonder if you would have been as impressed with him had he not been opposed to Trump.

Well, I'm not sure how to separate the two in this case. I'm sure you are right because you can't really square his principled vision and defense of the constitution with what Trump is doing. My hysteria about Trump is not about policy. It's everything else. I'm honestly jealous of Trump supporters. I wish I thought he was great and this was good for America. Instead, I've been in a state of constant anxiety since the election.

Exactly. Liberals/progressives/democratics are neurotic and anti-intellectual. Every policy difference or political disagreement is a matter for utter hysteria and paranoia. Witness all those people actually breaking out into tears and throwing temper tantrums when Hillary lost. What immaturity!

And you think you people should be running things?

LOL

+1000
I have zero interest in this country being run by people who need safe spaces to process any slightly uncomfortable action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been following Evan Mcmullin on Twitter since the election and I've been very impressed. I'm a democrat but I would seriously consider voting for him. To me, he comes across as honorable and a thinker like Obama.

I wonder if you would have been as impressed with him had he not been opposed to Trump.

Well, I'm not sure how to separate the two in this case. I'm sure you are right because you can't really square his principled vision and defense of the constitution with what Trump is doing. My hysteria about Trump is not about policy. It's everything else. I'm honestly jealous of Trump supporters. I wish I thought he was great and this was good for America. Instead, I've been in a state of constant anxiety since the election.

I was just thinking that myself tonight.
I am not scared of normal conservative policies- don't like them but I am not scared.
I am scared of his authoritarian - follow my gut approach- unpredictability.
I have not posted any criticism about his appointments, except for Bannon- who is not an appointment and has a nationalistic economic plan as his ideal that would make FDR proud and Reagan turn in his grave.
The Goldman Sachs appointments are actually reassuring to me because they look like politics as usual...they are only amusing in the context of what he promised the little guy but not scary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been following Evan Mcmullin on Twitter since the election and I've been very impressed. I'm a democrat but I would seriously consider voting for him. To me, he comes across as honorable and a thinker like Obama.

I wonder if you would have been as impressed with him had he not been opposed to Trump.

Well, I'm not sure how to separate the two in this case. I'm sure you are right because you can't really square his principled vision and defense of the constitution with what Trump is doing. My hysteria about Trump is not about policy. It's everything else. I'm honestly jealous of Trump supporters. I wish I thought he was great and this was good for America. Instead, I've been in a state of constant anxiety since the election.

As I said, I did not vote for Trump and I have concerns about his adherence to the constitution. But at this point he has been elected president and I will give him a fair chance to implement his policies.

There is this endless criticism by liberals - and I am a liberal - of his cabinet appointments but for the most part he has been nominating people who will implement the policies that he said he would. He will appoint Supreme Court justices who are conservatives because he said he was going to do so. We may not like his choices because of their philosophy but that is an inevitable result of his election.

As Obama said, elections have consequences and Trump's election is no exception.

And therefore you shouldn't oppose policies and appointments you think are wrong? That's ridiculous. You're essentially saying that presidents should not be criticized. This isn't an autocracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been following Evan Mcmullin on Twitter since the election and I've been very impressed. I'm a democrat but I would seriously consider voting for him. To me, he comes across as honorable and a thinker like Obama.

I wonder if you would have been as impressed with him had he not been opposed to Trump.

Well, I'm not sure how to separate the two in this case. I'm sure you are right because you can't really square his principled vision and defense of the constitution with what Trump is doing. My hysteria about Trump is not about policy. It's everything else. I'm honestly jealous of Trump supporters. I wish I thought he was great and this was good for America. Instead, I've been in a state of constant anxiety since the election.

Exactly. Liberals/progressives/democratics are neurotic and anti-intellectual. Every policy difference or political disagreement is a matter for utter hysteria and paranoia. Witness all those people actually breaking out into tears and throwing temper tantrums when Hillary lost. What immaturity!

And you think you people should be running things?

LOL

+1000
I have zero interest in this country being run by people who need safe spaces to process any slightly uncomfortable action.

Who are the hysterics again? Because it isn't liberals who are making up conspiracy theories and bringing rifles to pizza restaurants.