So how do the coaches pick the kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Throwing this in here for anyone who needs to prepare a player coming in cold. We've been to several tryouts in the past 10 days (dear god, please let it stop), and the players were assessed in these kinds of activities:

1. Juggling (one kid got to 100 touches; maybe he made the team)

2. 1 v. 0 dribbling in a large circle with all the other players, doing moves called out by coaches

3. Athleticism tests such as sprints or agility routines with cones

4. And most important: small-sided or near small-sided scrimmages (e.g., 4 v. 4; 7 v. 7)

What's missing in my view is playing on a full field, but there hasn't been enough field space for that.

DS has received two offers but (of course!) nothing from the club he wants to play for the most.

I think this is a really good point. My kid is great on a small field but is overwhelmed on a full field.

Shit --our club only scrimmages in tryouts---so skills display/juggling/dribbling, or sprints etc.

My 10-year old is now up to 400+ juggles but none of his coaches over the last two years even know that he he is capable of this. He could do 10 at 8.

I agree with the pp that said it's mostly pre-selected. It definitely is at our club. Labeled and branded at 8 years old. That's it, unless you move to a different club to tryout and get a fresh set of eyes.

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Anonymous wrote:I was at a tryout for a travel club recently and was wondering this for my son who is trying out for the club for the first time. It was a zoo. I don't have a good sense of how many kids were there, but maybe 70? Probably 2/3 were with the club this year so trying out for team placement and the remaining 1/3 are trying out for the first time. I do not know how the coaches could possibly determine not only which kids make the club, but where to place them watching the 4X4 scrimmages for an hour or so. For the current players, they obviously know because they've been with the club all year, but how about the new kids? The kids had numbers but no one really seemed to be taking notes or anything. This is a fairly young age so it is hard to believe that they are getting recommendations from other coaches (most of which probably are rec) but the team placement of any "new" players who make the club has to be pretty random. (Although my son is big so it sounds like he had going for him...)

Which club was it? ...Just a few thoughts: The travel coaches know the rec coaches and the rec coaches will give recommendations and tell the travel coach any and all sorts of information on those kids. Our club measures newcomers on general stuff like: technique, attitude, speed, soccer 'smarts.' Because yes, it is hard to learn a lot about a kid you are just seeing for the first time (thus all those recommendations and info passed along really do help).

Don't want to say the club but it is a large one.

What you wrote makes sense, but I just didn't see how that was happening. There were 3-4 coaches wandering around 8 different scrimmages and no note taking. Only one of the coaches spent time at my son's scrimmage. The paperwork asked where my son played now, but no one ever asked the name of my son's (volunteer, parent) coach. I doubt they know him and that they contacted him. Perhaps I should have taken the initiative and asked for a recommendation from my son's current coach. Perhaps this tells me something about the club too.

Our club asks for zero input from Rec coaches for travel teams. My husband and I have coached 4 rec teams--K-2nd--fall, indoor winter and spring. We know the standouts. We know the troublemakers. We both played soccer college-level. I could easily assemble the teams. Nope. Nobody asked.

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Anonymous wrote:I was at a tryout for a travel club recently and was wondering this for my son who is trying out for the club for the first time. It was a zoo. I don't have a good sense of how many kids were there, but maybe 70? Probably 2/3 were with the club this year so trying out for team placement and the remaining 1/3 are trying out for the first time. I do not know how the coaches could possibly determine not only which kids make the club, but where to place them watching the 4X4 scrimmages for an hour or so. For the current players, they obviously know because they've been with the club all year, but how about the new kids? The kids had numbers but no one really seemed to be taking notes or anything. This is a fairly young age so it is hard to believe that they are getting recommendations from other coaches (most of which probably are rec) but the team placement of any "new" players who make the club has to be pretty random. (Although my son is big so it sounds like he had going for him...)

Which club was it? ...Just a few thoughts: The travel coaches know the rec coaches and the rec coaches will give recommendations and tell the travel coach any and all sorts of information on those kids. Our club measures newcomers on general stuff like: technique, attitude, speed, soccer 'smarts.' Because yes, it is hard to learn a lot about a kid you are just seeing for the first time (thus all those recommendations and info passed along really do help).

Don't want to say the club but it is a large one.

What you wrote makes sense, but I just didn't see how that was happening. There were 3-4 coaches wandering around 8 different scrimmages and no note taking. Only one of the coaches spent time at my son's scrimmage. The paperwork asked where my son played now, but no one ever asked the name of my son's (volunteer, parent) coach. I doubt they know him and that they contacted him. Perhaps I should have taken the initiative and asked for a recommendation from my son's current coach. Perhaps this tells me something about the club too.

Our club asks for zero input from Rec coaches for travel teams. My husband and I have coached 4 rec teams--K-2nd--fall, indoor winter and spring. We know the standouts. We know the troublemakers. We both played soccer college-level. I could easily assemble the teams. Nope. Nobody asked.

That's nuts! Sounds like a major missed opportunity. Our rec coaches (maybe not all, but the good, respected rec coaches) definitely share info with travel coaches -- on potential, attitude, thinking, etc.

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^^it also explains why a few teams seem to predominate the top teams. Look, all the rec coaches ha e their own children and their children's friends on their teams. My husband is brutally honest when giving an assessment but from the looks of the division by rec team many others are talking about their kids friends.

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I've coached with Loudoun and as far as I'm aware they don't talk to the Rec coaches, even ones who've coached travel. They send trainers out to do 3 developmental sessions with all of the rec players. You would think they'd be asking those trainers for info on players, but I know a couple of them very well and the league doesn't. Picking winners amongst 7 and 8 year olds is foolish, but I guess it lines the pockets well.

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Anonymous wrote:At the younger ages, they shouldn't be focused on playing on a full field. The focus should be on developing skills. Learn the skills and then they graduate to game tactics. I've head several reputable coaches say if it were up to them, the kids wouldn't play games until later. The focus should really be on training.

I've head this too. Is there a program around here that actually does it this way?

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Anonymous wrote:At the younger ages, they shouldn't be focused on playing on a full field. The focus should be on developing skills. Learn the skills and then they graduate to game tactics. I've head several reputable coaches say if it were up to them, the kids wouldn't play games until later. The focus should really be on training.

I've head this too. Is there a program around here that actually does it this way?

Little kids love games. Even if it's a skills development based-gotta have some games. If there are uniforms, little kids are even happier. No point to most kids unless there is an objective---street soccer has an objective. Kids aren't just dribbling through cones in most of the world. They'd burn out.

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13:34- this is to newly populate the youngest six travel and six developmental teams for the 2008 birthday kids. (u9) So the boys' travel tryouts got 145 boys for 60-ish slots because anyone can try out who signs up. For the later years with kids already in the system, those kids have to try out again with any new kids wishing to enter the system.

The coaches at developmental said they would hold more tryouts if they didn't find enough good kids for their 6 teams, which play each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Throwing this in here for anyone who needs to prepare a player coming in cold. We've been to several tryouts in the past 10 days (dear god, please let it stop), and the players were assessed in these kinds of activities:

1. Juggling (one kid got to 100 touches; maybe he made the team)

2. 1 v. 0 dribbling in a large circle with all the other players, doing moves called out by coaches

3. Athleticism tests such as sprints or agility routines with cones

4. And most important: small-sided or near small-sided scrimmages (e.g., 4 v. 4; 7 v. 7)

What's missing in my view is playing on a full field, but there hasn't been enough field space for that.

DS has received two offers but (of course!) nothing from the club he wants to play for the most.

I think this is a really good point. My kid is great on a small field but is overwhelmed on a full field.

Have the opposite problem, my kid is great on the large fiield not so much on th small. Just small so far at tryouts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At the younger ages, they shouldn't be focused on playing on a full field. The focus should be on developing skills. Learn the skills and then they graduate to game tactics. I've head several reputable coaches say if it were up to them, the kids wouldn't play games until later. The focus should really be on training.

I've head this too. Is there a program around here that actually does it this way?

All the younger kids are playing small sided - 7v7 or 8v8. So not a "full" field, but actually half. Plenty big for them.

US soccer issued new guidance last year, so U8 and below should be 4v4, U9-10 is 7v7 on a smaller field than currently (will be about 1/4 field), and U11-12 will be 9v9 on half-size fields

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the younger ages, they shouldn't be focused on playing on a full field. The focus should be on developing skills. Learn the skills and then they graduate to game tactics. I've head several reputable coaches say if it were up to them, the kids wouldn't play games until later. The focus should really be on training.

I've head this too. Is there a program around here that actually does it this way?

Just send your kid to a training program and not a club. HP Elite is a good one...Joga is another.

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Anonymous wrote:Coaches are generally arrogant, they think they can coach up any kid that is naturally athletic which means big and fast.

My son has played many travel sports.

At tryouts all the kids are preselected, meaning the coach already knows them or a coach has called the development coach and given a recommendation. Every single tryout he has gone to ... the whole team was already preselected and possibly 2 kids will stand out and get a chance. They are always big and fast.

My son actually came off the field once and said how sad it is to watch the really good kids try so hard and he knows they have no chance simply because they have not been given a recommendation or because the coach does not know them. He said, all these kids are not going to make the team and they are going to think they suck. It's really sad.

My son has always made the team he wanted to be on, because of a recommendation from a former coach.

We went to a tryout cold, because he wanted to see if he was a "standout" kid and he did not make the team, he emailed the coach and told him the names of former coaches and asked if a recommendation would help and he made 1 out of 3 teams due to his followup... but it was not the best team.

He is going to play D1 in college, BTW. So this "development" stuff ... tryouts, it is really a crap shoot.

This is interesting. My son recently tried out for travel baseball, and in the final group who made the team, there were about 5 from the same rec team. Turns out the coach of that team is also the travel coach! In a way, I can understand how this makes sense because how much of a sense can coaches get from a seeing kids briefly at the travel tryouts? Obviously, the rec coach is going to have a much better understanding of what the kids can do after seeing them at practice and game. But at the same time, it doesn't seem fair that the teams are already pretty much selected before they begin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was at a tryout for a travel club recently and was wondering this for my son who is trying out for the club for the first time. It was a zoo. I don't have a good sense of how many kids were there, but maybe 70? Probably 2/3 were with the club this year so trying out for team placement and the remaining 1/3 are trying out for the first time. I do not know how the coaches could possibly determine not only which kids make the club, but where to place them watching the 4X4 scrimmages for an hour or so. For the current players, they obviously know because they've been with the club all year, but how about the new kids? The kids had numbers but no one really seemed to be taking notes or anything. This is a fairly young age so it is hard to believe that they are getting recommendations from other coaches (most of which probably are rec) but the team placement of any "new" players who make the club has to be pretty random. (Although my son is big so it sounds like he had going for him...)

Which club was it? ...Just a few thoughts: The travel coaches know the rec coaches and the rec coaches will give recommendations and tell the travel coach any and all sorts of information on those kids. Our club measures newcomers on general stuff like: technique, attitude, speed, soccer 'smarts.' Because yes, it is hard to learn a lot about a kid you are just seeing for the first time (thus all those recommendations and info passed along really do help).

Don't want to say the club but it is a large one.

What you wrote makes sense, but I just didn't see how that was happening. There were 3-4 coaches wandering around 8 different scrimmages and no note taking. Only one of the coaches spent time at my son's scrimmage. The paperwork asked where my son played now, but no one ever asked the name of my son's (volunteer, parent) coach. I doubt they know him and that they contacted him. Perhaps I should have taken the initiative and asked for a recommendation from my son's current coach. Perhaps this tells me something about the club too.

Our club asks for zero input from Rec coaches for travel teams. My husband and I have coached 4 rec teams--K-2nd--fall, indoor winter and spring. We know the standouts. We know the troublemakers. We both played soccer college-level. I could easily assemble the teams. Nope. Nobody asked.

You can only get a recommendation from a well respected coach.

[Anonymous]

OP, I think this thread has gotten off topic. You said the level is between rec and travel. They're probably looking for basic skills, enthusiasm and a good attitude.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Is the kid coachable
2. Does the kid want to be there or the parent want the kid to be there
3. parents
4. speed and size

Good list generally, but why do you care about size, esp. for little kids?

Our U9 team has a ton of small kids and we are doing very, very well. We are beating most teams that have much larger kids (Have you seen Gunston?!). However, as they get older, I can see it becoming more important. Especially as the larger kids gain defensive skills, they will find it easier and easier to stop the small kids with good foot skills.

Size matters at older ages for goalkeepers and center backs, and to a lesser extent, in a few other positions. Athleticism, including strength, speed, and agility matter for all positions at high levels (though it's relative, because skilled players who make good decisions quickly don't need as much speed). Parents should be very leery of youth coaches who use size as a selection criterion. This is not to say that big kids can't be just as skilled as small player--the fetish some coaches have for short kids is just as silly.

Size only matters when all other things are equal.

The Gatorade National Soccer player of the year this year is 5'5" and 125 lbs. He is from Washington-Lee HS in Arlington. #sizedoesntmatter

Not so much in that sport when you are truly exceptional. Seeing as how no one else in Arlington is within 10000 miles of that truly exceptional level, yup, it matters.