AAP acceptance with "ok" scores and super low GBRS?

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What is GBRS?

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A form filled out by the teacher - Gifted Behaviors Rating Scale. You can see it here:
http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/packet/Fillable_AAPGBRSwithCommentary.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I would think (of course I don't know but going off score threads) if a child has scores under the pool benchmark they need a 14-16 GBRS. An 8-11 GBRS is only ok with scores in 140's and up.

My DS had 117 cog at and 127 Naglieri. 16 GBRS With thorough commentary. Was not admitted. Currently in 4th, and is pulled into AAP for math. Works well for him.

Honestly I'd love if we could just get AAP math. Math is my child's strong suit. Question, was your child not admitted just on first try or not admitted on first try and appeal??? I wonder if a 132 or higher WISC score would combat those numbers?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think (of course I don't know but going off score threads) if a child has scores under the pool benchmark they need a 14-16 GBRS. An 8-11 GBRS is only ok with scores in 140's and up.

My DS had 117 cog at and 127 Naglieri. 16 GBRS With thorough commentary. Was not admitted. Currently in 4th, and is pulled into AAP for math. Works well for him.

Honestly I'd love if we could just get AAP math. Math is my child's strong suit. Question, was your child not admitted just on first try or not admitted on first try and appeal??? I wonder if a 132 or higher WISC score would combat those numbers?

That is probably doable. Talk to the teacher now.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think (of course I don't know but going off score threads) if a child has scores under the pool benchmark they need a 14-16 GBRS. An 8-11 GBRS is only ok with scores in 140's and up.

My DS had 117 cog at and 127 Naglieri. 16 GBRS With thorough commentary. Was not admitted. Currently in 4th, and is pulled into AAP for math. Works well for him.

Honestly I'd love if we could just get AAP math. Math is my child's strong suit. Question, was your child not admitted just on first try or not admitted on first try and appeal??? I wonder if a 132 or higher WISC score would combat those numbers?

That is probably doable. Talk to the teacher now.

We did not appeal, nor did we do a WISC. My son also has ADHD and autism, and we were not sure the increased writing expectations were a good fit for him, even though his teachers had a very high opinion of him as shown by his GBRS. I think most schools offer advanced math now. Our neighborhood school is not LLIV or center, but DS started attending the center as a sibling transfer this year with his sister who is in 3rd AAP. I was quite pleased that after a beginning of the year assessment they decided to pull him into AAP for math.

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Unfortunately every year is different. A couple years ago a child need a 132 in 1 section only of the CogAT to be in the pool. Last year they need a 132 comp score to be in the pool. I would say this child with a 129 and a 9 is doing fairly well. They probably had a 132 in at least 1 section. I think this kids probable does just fine in AAP. However, there are kids with nearly perfect CogAT scores, IQs well above 140, who taught themselves multiplication etc by 1st grade also in AAP. There are kids that struggle and kids that already know it all. AAP's pace is fast and furious. It is designed for kids who need one explanation of a topic and on to the next. Anymore explanation of a topic and the majority, if not all of kids would be reading their novels under their desks out of extreme boredom (3rd graders). I would definitely say that it is true that your co-worker's kid is in AAP. From my experience the kids on the border do absolutely fine, probably need help from parents or a tutor a little (if any). My daughter has a couple friends whom scores were on the border. They stayed at her home school. They were always super bright, hard workers, but do not have the out right gifted personality characteristics of many gifted kids. I think they would have done just fine in my daughter's class. They would have not been the top kids and would it would not have been a breeze. I feel more kids could be included in AAP, in leveled classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately every year is different. A couple years ago a child need a 132 in 1 section only of the CogAT to be in the pool. Last year they need a 132 comp score to be in the pool. I would say this child with a 129 and a 9 is doing fairly well. They probably had a 132 in at least 1 section. I think this kids probable does just fine in AAP. However, there are kids with nearly perfect CogAT scores, IQs well above 140, who taught themselves multiplication etc by 1st grade also in AAP. There are kids that struggle and kids that already know it all. AAP's pace is fast and furious. It is designed for kids who need one explanation of a topic and on to the next. Anymore explanation of a topic and the majority, if not all of kids would be reading their novels under their desks out of extreme boredom (3rd graders). I would definitely say that it is true that your co-worker's kid is in AAP. From my experience the kids on the border do absolutely fine, probably need help from parents or a tutor a little (if any). My daughter has a couple friends whom scores were on the border. They stayed at her home school. They were always super bright, hard workers, but do not have the out right gifted personality characteristics of many gifted kids. I think they would have done just fine in my daughter's class. They would have not been the top kids and would it would not have been a breeze. I feel more kids could be included in AAP, in leveled classes.

So you have a few parents who shared their precise scores with you?

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The AAP is a paper test given over 3 days with the papers sitting out there in the class for over a month with no supervision. We find out kid's score abysmally low and think there has been foul play. We will do a WISC and the kid's referral is great in more ways than one --- but am wondering what this portends for future at the school and other tests .. there is pressure on the teachers and not all of them are standing up to it -- some are using it blatantly -- There should be a foolproof process if it is indeed an AAP program for the kids who are equipped to learn. I pay taxes and I want it to mean something even if we choose to cart the kid to private school.

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18:35- Have you had a couple gin and tonics? You seem really quite out of it. Honestly, if your kid scored "abysmally" low, maybe that means your kid should not be in AAP and not that there was "foul play". FWIW, I had 3 kids do NNAT/ COGAT and 3 extremely different results and I honestly think they were all on target.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think (of course I don't know but going off score threads) if a child has scores under the pool benchmark they need a 14-16 GBRS. An 8-11 GBRS is only ok with scores in 140's and up.

My DS had 117 cog at and 127 Naglieri. 16 GBRS With thorough commentary. Was not admitted. Currently in 4th, and is pulled into AAP for math. Works well for him.

Did the child have a good academic record. Just a good score + GBRS without a consistent academic record or ancillary talents we have been told is not enough. I wonder if this is actually an odd example of that. Conversely the kid with poor CogAT and poor GBRS could have add a record that is at odds with poor test performance. There are loopholes in the process that does not produce consistent results all around.

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Anonymous wrote:18:35- Have you had a couple gin and tonics? You seem really quite out of it. Honestly, if your kid scored "abysmally" low, maybe that means your kid should not be in AAP and not that there was "foul play". FWIW, I had 3 kids do NNAT/ COGAT and 3 extremely different results and I honestly think they were all on target.

That would seem obvious wouldn't it? The NNAT was fine - computer tested. CogAT is off the mark - tests left in class for over a month unsupervised. We have suspicions. FYI - Kid has an impeccable record otherwise. Why are you do quick to jump to conclusions??

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:18:35- Have you had a couple gin and tonics? You seem really quite out of it. Honestly, if your kid scored "abysmally" low, maybe that means your kid should not be in AAP and not that there was "foul play". FWIW, I had 3 kids do NNAT/ COGAT and 3 extremely different results and I honestly think they were all on target.

That would seem obvious wouldn't it? The NNAT was fine - computer tested. CogAT is off the mark - tests left in class for over a month unsupervised. We have suspicions. FYI - Kid has an impeccable record otherwise. Why are you do quick to jump to conclusions??

The CogAT wasn't off the mark. Your child just didn't perform well on it. If your child had, would you have still thought the school messed with his bad score to make it better? Until this year, all testing was done without computers. Oh, and how do you know how long the tests were left at the school and where they were left?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:18:35- Have you had a couple gin and tonics? You seem really quite out of it. Honestly, if your kid scored "abysmally" low, maybe that means your kid should not be in AAP and not that there was "foul play". FWIW, I had 3 kids do NNAT/ COGAT and 3 extremely different results and I honestly think they were all on target.

That would seem obvious wouldn't it? The NNAT was fine - computer tested. CogAT is off the mark - tests left in class for over a month unsupervised. We have suspicions. FYI - Kid has an impeccable record otherwise. Why are you do quick to jump to conclusions??

Former FCOS here. Tests are locked up with either a counselor or the asst principal (whomever oversees testing at your particular school) immediately after the testing ends. Where are you getting your (mis)information? You could really damage a teacher's reputation with your suspicions. In the realm of your world, could it be simply that your child did not do well on the CoGAT?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:18:35- Have you had a couple gin and tonics? You seem really quite out of it. Honestly, if your kid scored "abysmally" low, maybe that means your kid should not be in AAP and not that there was "foul play". FWIW, I had 3 kids do NNAT/ COGAT and 3 extremely different results and I honestly think they were all on target.

That would seem obvious wouldn't it? The NNAT was fine - computer tested. CogAT is off the mark - tests left in class for over a month unsupervised. We have suspicions. FYI - Kid has an impeccable record otherwise. Why are you do quick to jump to conclusions??

Former FCOS here. Tests are locked up with either a counselor or the asst principal (whomever oversees testing at your particular school) immediately after the testing ends. Where are you getting your (mis)information? You could really damage a teacher's reputation with your suspicions. In the realm of your world, could it be simply that your child did not do well on the CoGAT?

FCPS not FCOS

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Anonymous wrote:The AAP is a paper test given over 3 days with the papers sitting out there in the class for over a month with no supervision. We find out kid's score abysmally low and think there has been foul play. We will do a WISC and the kid's referral is great in more ways than one --- but am wondering what this portends for future at the school and other tests .. there is pressure on the teachers and not all of them are standing up to it -- some are using it blatantly -- There should be a foolproof process if it is indeed an AAP program for the kids who are equipped to learn. I pay taxes and I want it to mean something even if we choose to cart the kid to private school.

Whom do you think altered your child's test and why? Also, if you were in the classroom enough to see that the tests were left unsupervised for that period of time, why didn't you let the school administrators know? It is not uncommon for kids to do well on the NNAT but not the CogAT. My very good friend has told me multiple times that her DC almost "maxed out" on the NNAT but "bombed" the CogAT.