Prepping for entry into AAP

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Because kids who are prepped: (1) bloat the size of the program, and create a situations where parents argue it is not a true GT program and (2) slow the entire class down Because they cannot perform at the same level in an u prepped setting.

Far better to have bloated GT programs rather than bloated prisons. There is no downside to the habits of mental, intellectual, and academic prepping. If there are any issues, it's certainly not related to prepping but rather the goals, mission, and administration of the GT program. Far better to have a bloat of highly prepared and performing children than a society of poorly performing misfits!

So very, very true. What is it with this board that tries to devalue study and preparation....

I'm lost. Not prepping for AAP leads to people being destined for prison? if the parents weren't prepping their kids, they'd leading them down the wrong path? They wouldn't be involved with their kids? I'm missing the connection.

It's a spectrum. Everybody, no matter what level of gifts they are born with will do "better" with hard work, study, and preparation. It's not an AAP thing, it's a life thing.

On one end of the spectrum (AAP) if you're borderline, with hard work, study, and preparation you'll likely to have a better chance.

On the other end, the same hard work, study, and preparation will get you out of the troubled environments that lead, among other things, to prison.

90% of our kids are in the middle with no fear of either AAP or prison. Just saying, with hard work, study, and preparation you can do "better". And that's good.

It's not a new concept, for generations, it was the American way. Seems to be lost on some these days sadly.

[Anonymous]

No one said hard work wasn't important. However at least 2 posters equate GE with failing and incarceration.

[Anonymous]

BTW prepping such to give a leg up on others isn't necessarily hard work. Oh sure there is work involved, but it also does not give a true picture of aptitude compared to peers. I think in the old days, it would've been called cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BTW prepping such to give a leg up on others isn't necessarily hard work. Oh sure there is work involved, but it also does not give a true picture of aptitude compared to peers. I think in the old days, it would've been called cheating.

I didn't prep my kids but I don't get this. If a kid gets in and does fine and there aren't a limited number of spots, then WHO CARES? My kid is in with no prepping but if a million others got in with prepping I could care less. MYOB and all that. Other than math, it isn't like I see this curriculum that can't be done by most kids AND don't say it is because it is dumbed down...no one other than parents on this board claim that. Might have been harder at one point to get in but no one has proof that it was a harder curriculum in the past. (Oh, and I was in GT so I have some personal perspective, too.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BTW prepping such to give a leg up on others isn't necessarily hard work. Oh sure there is work involved, but it also does not give a true picture of aptitude compared to peers. I think in the old days, it would've been called cheating.

I guess I'm older, but in my "old days" it simply would have been called hard work. And people thought it was good.

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Anonymous wrote:Because AAP is not a gold star you get for having a good kid, or even an enrichment program. It is a special needs program for kids whose innate, unprepped needs cannot be met in the regular classroom.

Or at least that's what it's supposed to be.

Um...no it's not. Citation please.

Citation: http://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/gifted_ed/gifted_regulations.pdf

Um, your citation doesn't remotely support your position.

NP. Did you even read it? This document says *exactly* what this person said it does.

[Anonymous]

Everyone should work hard and study and they will do better than they would without studying. Studying questions that are very like what one will encounter on a test will help one to do better on that test, but that's all it will do.

"You can't teach smart."

[Anonymous]

Because anyone who doesn't prep will most definitely end up a "poorly performing misfit." Those are the only two possibilities in life.

Fortunately, those are not our only two choices. It is perfectly possible to do well in life without test prepping, and I know plenty of people who are proof of that.

I like what I read in another thread:"People can work hard and get good grades, but you can't teach smart." In other words, all the hard work in the world will get you nowhere if you don't have the intelligence underlying it. You can prep and prep kids, but if they aren't smart, they are limited as to how far they can go in the long run. If they're smart, they don't need test prepping.

Well, imagine for a moment how worse off a limited individual would be without life-long preparation and challenge to make up for the malleable early deficits rather than degenerate. No psychiatrist, neurologist, physical therapist, or physician would recommend quitting, giving up, and not challenging and prepping particularly if you have "limitations". In fact, the earlier and harder one works at overcoming these limitations (physical or mental) the better the gains. You can teach smarts just as you can teach muscles! Give it a try. You'll amaze yourself.

[Anonymous]

Everyone should work hard and study and they will do better than they would without studying. Studying questions that are very like what one will encounter on a test will help one to do better on that test, but that's all it will do.

"You can't teach smart."

If you get your nose out of the comic books you'll find lots of evidence to the contrary.
You can damn well teach smarts. It's done every day in MCPS. And some students are kicking much booty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Because kids who are prepped: (1) bloat the size of the program, and create a situations where parents argue it is not a true GT program and (2) slow the entire class down Because they cannot perform at the same level in an u prepped setting.

Far better to have bloated GT programs rather than bloated prisons. There is no downside to the habits of mental, intellectual, and academic prepping. If there are any issues, it's certainly not related to prepping but rather the goals, mission, and administration of the GT program. Far better to have a bloat of highly prepared and performing children than a society of poorly performing misfits!

So very, very true. What is it with this board that tries to devalue study and preparation....

I'm lost. Not prepping for AAP leads to people being destined for prison? if the parents weren't prepping their kids, they'd leading them down the wrong path? They wouldn't be involved with their kids? I'm missing the connection.

It's a spectrum. Everybody, no matter what level of gifts they are born with will do "better" with hard work, study, and preparation. It's not an AAP thing, it's a life thing.

But does it really have to start when kids are 6 and 7. Childhood is also a "life" thing and too many kids I see are missing out on one.

On one end of the spectrum (AAP) if you're borderline, with hard work, study, and preparation you'll likely to have a better chance.

On the other end, the same hard work, study, and preparation will get you out of the troubled environments that lead, among other things, to prison.

90% of our kids are in the middle with no fear of either AAP or prison. Just saying, with hard work, study, and preparation you can do "better". And that's good.

It's not a new concept, for generations, it was the American way. Seems to be lost on some these days sadly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BTW prepping such to give a leg up on others isn't necessarily hard work. Oh sure there is work involved, but it also does not give a true picture of aptitude compared to peers. I think in the old days, it would've been called cheating.

I guess I'm older, but in my "old days" it simply would have been called hard work. And people thought it was good.

It is a limo-driven liberal drive-by! I doubt your kids actually know what hard-work versus bought and paid for services are.

[Anonymous]

BTW prepping such to give a leg up on others isn't necessarily hard work. Oh sure there is work involved, but it also does not give a true picture of aptitude compared to peers. I think in the old days, it would've been called cheating.

BTW why is pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, even when others may be keeping you down, the American way? Hard work and prep grows smarts, physique, and work product regardless of motive

[Anonymous]

BTW prepping such to give a leg up on others isn't necessarily hard work. Oh sure there is work involved, but it also does not give a true picture of aptitude compared to peers. I think in the old days, it would've been called cheating.

I follow your logic. If you can afford to prep because of high SES this is therefore cheating since it does not give a true picture of aptitude compared to peers living in abject poverty who can't afford great schools and prep.

[Anonymous]

No one said hard work wasn't important. However at least 2 posters equate GE with failing and incarceration.

Alice in wonderland. What an active imagination!

[Anonymous]

It is a limo-driven liberal drive-by! I doubt your kids actually know what hard-work versus bought and paid for services are.

I get it. The wealthy and high SES in a natural stuporous drunken state from habits born of pure daily consumption probably have never worked a day in the life with their nannies and playdates.