DCPS Improving -- Let's Ignore Charters

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Anonymous wrote:I think DCPS is doing a great job making progress considering that, unlike charters, they can't IN ANY way "cherry pick" students. Or "counsel them out".

Out-of-boundary students can be sent back to their in-boundary school at the principal's discretion. Some principals use that power to "cherry pick" and "counsel out" students.

Technically, yes but at the elementary level this is rarely, if ever, done. Ive heard of it at Wilson in really egregious cases.

Dcps schools cannot cherry pick like the charters, not at all, especially with the new lottery system, its all very tightly controlled.

Negative! It is done to students from Southeast who are attending schools OOB. Typically it is the result of attendance issues. The principal will use the reasoning that if they are having trouble getting to school (or getting to school on time) then you should be at their neighborhood school. And while on the surface it might sound logical there are sometimes circumstances that are extenuating.

Right, and there is zero evidence that charters are any more or less likely than DCPS schools to do this.

Actually charter are more likely to do it. It is typically written into the parent agreement that attendance issues are grounds for dismissal which results in these "kicked out" kids rolling back into DCPS schools and DCPS taking on the burden that the charters choose not to deal with yet continue to receive public funds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We've been at a HRC for four years and please no more. Had I known what I know now I wouldn't have bought into the packaging, the rhetoric, the promises of something newer, shinier, superior. The charter my kids attended have inexperienced administrators who are lacking across the board. These schools get away with everything, get caught, apologize (sometimes), say they will improve, but whoops, it doesn't happen. It's the kids who suffer and miss fundamentals year after year. Such a frustrating experience. Wish we would have invested in our local DCPS.

I smell a rat! This is utter BS and it's obvious. If you want to argue against charters then do it, but do it honestly. It makes no sense that you have "suffered" through your charter's incompetence for FOUR YEARS. It doesn't even pass the smell test. If you didn't like the quality of the education you were getting and preferred DCPS then you're a horrible parent with out of whack priorities. Seriously, you're either one of the charter hating BS artists that can't make an honest or intellectual argument or one of the world's worst parents. Either way I feel bad for your kids because they're going to have to overcome having a loathsome person like you as their parent.

Wow, that was a bit harsh!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think DCPS is doing a great job making progress considering that, unlike charters, they can't IN ANY way "cherry pick" students. Or "counsel them out".

Out-of-boundary students can be sent back to their in-boundary school at the principal's discretion. Some principals use that power to "cherry pick" and "counsel out" students.

Technically, yes but at the elementary level this is rarely, if ever, done. Ive heard of it at Wilson in really egregious cases.

Dcps schools cannot cherry pick like the charters, not at all, especially with the new lottery system, its all very tightly controlled.

Negative! It is done to students from Southeast who are attending schools OOB. Typically it is the result of attendance issues. The principal will use the reasoning that if they are having trouble getting to school (or getting to school on time) then you should be at their neighborhood school. And while on the surface it might sound logical there are sometimes circumstances that are extenuating.

NO, that is not cherry-picking like charters because in the end it is another DCPS school that has to take them in.....yes, it may be one individual DCPS school that is doing this but they end up going to another one. So as a system, the comment "DCPS schools cannot cherry pick like the charters..." is correct.

You missed the point. The highlighted/bolded portion was the part of the argument that was being addressed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think DCPS is doing a great job making progress considering that, unlike charters, they can't IN ANY way "cherry pick" students. Or "counsel them out".

Out-of-boundary students can be sent back to their in-boundary school at the principal's discretion. Some principals use that power to "cherry pick" and "counsel out" students.

Technically, yes but at the elementary level this is rarely, if ever, done. Ive heard of it at Wilson in really egregious cases.

Dcps schools cannot cherry pick like the charters, not at all, especially with the new lottery system, its all very tightly controlled.

Negative! It is done to students from Southeast who are attending schools OOB. Typically it is the result of attendance issues. The principal will use the reasoning that if they are having trouble getting to school (or getting to school on time) then you should be at their neighborhood school. And while on the surface it might sound logical there are sometimes circumstances that are extenuating.

Right, and there is zero evidence that charters are any more or less likely than DCPS schools to do this.

Actually charter are more likely to do it. It is typically written into the parent agreement that attendance issues are grounds for dismissal which results in these "kicked out" kids rolling back into DCPS schools and DCPS taking on the burden that the charters choose not to deal with yet continue to receive public funds.

I'm a fan of charter schools (my kid goes to one of the HRCS), but PP makes sense to me. I know my agreement says that late or no show arrival may jeopardize my kid's spot. I'm thrilled that it means that my kids will be surrounded by kids and parents who are committed and that the teachers won't have to divert resources to catch kids up, but I'm cognizant that this also means that public schools have to keep these kids. It's an interesting issue. But the other thing that I consider is that JKLM parents are probably not having to deal with these issues for their all IB populations, so this really is a demographic issue more than a DCPS issue. Which gives me comfort that my HRCS gives kids from low performing DCPS IB schools the opportunity to escape having to deal with the problems that DCPS IB schools can't avoid.

What I know for sure is that this is a nuanced issue. And that the "best" or most "fair" outcome is dependent oon where you live, what other options you have and your own situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We've been at a HRC for four years and please no more. Had I known what I know now I wouldn't have bought into the packaging, the rhetoric, the promises of something newer, shinier, superior. The charter my kids attended have inexperienced administrators who are lacking across the board. These schools get away with everything, get caught, apologize (sometimes), say they will improve, but whoops, it doesn't happen. It's the kids who suffer and miss fundamentals year after year. Such a frustrating experience. Wish we would have invested in our local DCPS.

I smell a rat! This is utter BS and it's obvious. If you want to argue against charters then do it, but do it honestly. It makes no sense that you have "suffered" through your charter's incompetence for FOUR YEARS. It doesn't even pass the smell test. If you didn't like the quality of the education you were getting and preferred DCPS then you're a horrible parent with out of whack priorities. Seriously, you're either one of the charter hating BS artists that can't make an honest or intellectual argument or one of the world's worst parents. Either way I feel bad for your kids because they're going to have to overcome having a loathsome person like you as their parent.

Wow, that was a bit harsh!

I stand behind it. Obvious trolls who make things up to support their agendas are intellectually suspect persons, and doing so on an anonymous chat board makes one question their morals and credibility. You really think that doesn't bleed through on their parenting?

[Anonymous]

I don't like Charter schools, but I don't dislike patents who choose them.

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Loathsome parent? Worst parent? Good grief. Get over your own agenda and yourself. I shared my observations and am moving my kids to other, more established charters because my local DCPS is a non starter. My point was simply that new charters are serious risks. Keep your anger in check.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like Charter schools, but I don't dislike patents who choose them.

Very few DC people like or are truly comfortable charter schools they can't fully control unless they need them.

Sadly, our parents and politicians need them to provide the basic service of education in all parts of DC except Ward 3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Loathsome parent? Worst parent? Good grief. Get over your own agenda and yourself. I shared my observations and am moving my kids to other, more established charters because my local DCPS is a non starter. My point was simply that new charters are serious risks. Keep your anger in check.

I actually have no agenda, other than to call out BS artists who think that policy positions and binary thinking is productive. But let's take a moment and evaluate your posts and your inconsistent hypocritical positions. First, you say no more charters, you were snookered and wish you'd invested in your DCPS and yet stayed there for four years. When I observed that leaving a kid in a bad situation for 4 years is bad parenting, you popped back up to explain that you are now moving your kid...to another charter because your "local DCPS is a non starter." So are you anti-charter or not? You were at first, but now it seems you are anti-the charter your kid attends. Because you seem all about choice when it is for your kid (see: going to different charter). Also not clear on what the investing in local DCPS means or has to do with anything.

Of course, this is all academic because I stand behind my position that your original post was BS. You didn't leave your kid in a poor charter for 4 years; didn't happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like Charter schools, but I don't dislike patents who choose them.

Very few DC people like or are truly comfortable charter schools they can't fully control unless they need them.

Sadly, our parents and politicians need them to provide the basic service of education in all parts of DC except Ward 3.

Respectfully disagree. I'd guess most people don't like or dislike charters. They like quality education for their kids and if the charter school their kid attends provides that then they support it. If their DCPS school provides that then they support their school and think DCPS is working. What I think most rational humans don't believe is that charters destroyed DCPS.

Also not correct to say they are needed to provide basic services. Brent, Maury, Ludlow are all good schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like Charter schools, but I don't dislike patents who choose them.

Very few DC people like or are truly comfortable charter schools they can't fully control unless they need them.

Sadly, our parents and politicians need them to provide the basic service of education in all parts of DC except Ward 3.

That's a sweeping statement. My ward 4 DCPS is a great school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't like Charter schools, but I don't dislike patents who choose them.

Very few DC people like or are truly comfortable charter schools they can't fully control unless they need them.

Sadly, our parents and politicians need them to provide the basic service of education in all parts of DC except Ward 3.

That's a sweeping statement. My ward 4 DCPS is a great school.

We have islands of excellence in several wards outside 3.

And, yes, charters did not destroy DCPS anymore than DC taxpayers destroyed DC's Office of Tax and Revenue.

It's self inflicted and is coming out of a bad situation but not rapidly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think DCPS is doing a great job making progress considering that, unlike charters, they can't IN ANY way "cherry pick" students. Or "counsel them out".

Out-of-boundary students can be sent back to their in-boundary school at the principal's discretion. Some principals use that power to "cherry pick" and "counsel out" students.

Technically, yes but at the elementary level this is rarely, if ever, done. Ive heard of it at Wilson in really egregious cases.

Dcps schools cannot cherry pick like the charters, not at all, especially with the new lottery system, its all very tightly controlled.

Negative! It is done to students from Southeast who are attending schools OOB. Typically it is the result of attendance issues. The principal will use the reasoning that if they are having trouble getting to school (or getting to school on time) then you should be at their neighborhood school. And while on the surface it might sound logical there are sometimes circumstances that are extenuating.

Right, and there is zero evidence that charters are any more or less likely than DCPS schools to do this.

Actually charter are more likely to do it. It is typically written into the parent agreement that attendance issues are grounds for dismissal which results in these "kicked out" kids rolling back into DCPS schools and DCPS taking on the burden that the charters choose not to deal with yet continue to receive public funds.

And this is exactly the same policy that OOB students in DCPS face. Again, there is zero evidence that charters are more or less likely than DCPS schools to use this power.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think DCPS is doing a great job making progress considering that, unlike charters, they can't IN ANY way "cherry pick" students. Or "counsel them out".

Out-of-boundary students can be sent back to their in-boundary school at the principal's discretion. Some principals use that power to "cherry pick" and "counsel out" students.

But the number of students that actually happens to is minute compared to the number that charters cherry pick/counsel out/convince parents to withdraw from. DCPS schools who are on the receiving end of those students counseled out of charters know better than anyone what those numbers are like. It happens all the time in charters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think DCPS is doing a great job making progress considering that, unlike charters, they can't IN ANY way "cherry pick" students. Or "counsel them out".

Out-of-boundary students can be sent back to their in-boundary school at the principal's discretion. Some principals use that power to "cherry pick" and "counsel out" students.

But the number of students that actually happens to is minute compared to the number that charters cherry pick/counsel out/convince parents to withdraw from. DCPS schools who are on the receiving end of those students counseled out of charters know better than anyone what those numbers are like. It happens all the time in charters.

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