I Wish DC was more like Stockholm

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Anonymous wrote:America is so unenlightened and backwards; the entire country needs to catch up to Europe.



please tell me this is sarcasm.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:America is so unenlightened and backwards; the entire country needs to catch up to Europe.



please tell me this is sarcasm.


You obviously have not lived in Europe.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/21/stockholm-will-bans-cars-one-day-this-fall/

That is awesome. I would love to see that happen in DC. One day a year when cars are banned in densest parts of the city.



That will be a longggggg time from now, particularly given DC low density.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:'Murica! Fuck yeah!
You sound like an ignorant idiot.


Have you always suffered from an inability to recognize sarcasm?
Not when it is sounds ignorant and bigoted.


Speaking of ignorant.... (np)

I think it's a great idea! I already bike to work (VA to DC) once or twice a week so I'm prepared.



ALL RIGHT, and then when you have to take your two kids to day care, and then stop off at the grocery store after picking them up. Two trailers on your bike? Plus twin racks up front? And some heaters for your three year olds when it 20 degrees out with 12 inches of snow?

What a great idea.

If you are going to do urban planning, you have to think of people other than yourself.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Can't WAIT till the bulk of milennials start to have kids or feel the pangs of old age to see just how stupid and imractical their ideas are.

I support walk ability but I also support efficiency. Growth around metro stations, new urbanism - all good. But this push to become careless especially in DC? Just bad. Depending on where you live and work, cars are much better t,Han metro. That needs to be taken into consideration.

Um, for you, maybe. But I've been carless here for 15 years and just can't bring myself to face the pain of owning a car and having to park it wherever I go. Such a much better lifestyle to walk, bus, metro everywhere. I've even commuted out of the city for 8 years. I'd much much much rather spend 60 mins reading than 45 minutes (which quickly becomes 2 hours) fighting traffic.


And what do you do when you kids have a doctor's appointment or a play date?
Anonymous
The communists hate cars
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:'Murica! Fuck yeah!
You sound like an ignorant idiot.


Have you always suffered from an inability to recognize sarcasm?
Not when it is sounds ignorant and bigoted.


Speaking of ignorant.... (np)

I think it's a great idea! I already bike to work (VA to DC) once or twice a week so I'm prepared.



ALL RIGHT, and then when you have to take your two kids to day care, and then stop off at the grocery store after picking them up. Two trailers on your bike? Plus twin racks up front? And some heaters for your three year olds when it 20 degrees out with 12 inches of snow?

What a great idea.

If you are going to do urban planning, you have to think of people other than yourself.


Hey dolt, millions of families live like this in Europe. I know that it's boggling to your brain, but it's true. Go to any major European city and you will see tons of people pushing a dual stroller and a single shopping bag on the handle with fresh ingredients.

People there pop into the store every day to pick up fresh food.

By 2050, DC will probably be dense enough to support such a lifestyle.
Anonymous
In America we are free to choose , the Hitler way isn't America
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can't WAIT till the bulk of milennials start to have kids or feel the pangs of old age to see just how stupid and imractical their ideas are.

I support walk ability but I also support efficiency. Growth around metro stations, new urbanism - all good. But this push to become careless especially in DC? Just bad. Depending on where you live and work, cars are much better t,Han metro. That needs to be taken into consideration.


Cars are worse than metro! Do you know NOTHING about climate change ??? Or don't you care?



Oh grow up. Electric ones and hybrids aren't. Or maybe you are thinking of a Soylent Green solution to climatge change also? Eliminate everyone over 55 and climate change will go away.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The communists hate cars


No, No, No the communists loved cars, they just couldn't afford them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:'Murica! Fuck yeah!
You sound like an ignorant idiot.


Have you always suffered from an inability to recognize sarcasm?
Not when it is sounds ignorant and bigoted.


Speaking of ignorant.... (np)

I think it's a great idea! I already bike to work (VA to DC) once or twice a week so I'm prepared.



ALL RIGHT, and then when you have to take your two kids to day care, and then stop off at the grocery store after picking them up. Two trailers on your bike? Plus twin racks up front? And some heaters for your three year olds when it 20 degrees out with 12 inches of snow?

What a great idea.

If you are going to do urban planning, you have to think of people other than yourself.


Also, there's smaller institutions everywhere. For instance, my friends live in Brussels with HH income of 250K Euro. The creche for their baby is two blocks away. The tram stops one block away (you can take it everywhere in the city). Bakery, small grocer, deli, etc are all within a three block walk. It's feasible to hit all those places on a daily basis, even with a kid in tow.

In America, we build BIG. One giant grocery store to serve a 1 mile radius, so it becomes impossible to walk there and you're required to do one big trip every week.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:America is so unenlightened and backwards; the entire country needs to catch up to Europe.


Cars are more advanced than walking. The poors walk everywhere.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:The communists hate cars


No, No, No the communists loved cars, they just couldn't afford them.


The Communists had plenty of cars. They just built shitty ones.

Also, public transport was the backbone of many European cities long before the communists ever came to power. Germany, Austria, Switzerland, France, UK - all major cities were centered on public transport over the car. No Commies in sight.
BOBMD
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:'Murica! Fuck yeah!
You sound like an ignorant idiot.


Have you always suffered from an inability to recognize sarcasm?
Not when it is sounds ignorant and bigoted.


Speaking of ignorant.... (np)

I think it's a great idea! I already bike to work (VA to DC) once or twice a week so I'm prepared.



ALL RIGHT, and then when you have to take your two kids to day care, and then stop off at the grocery store after picking them up. Two trailers on your bike? Plus twin racks up front? And some heaters for your three year olds when it 20 degrees out with 12 inches of snow?

What a great idea.

If you are going to do urban planning, you have to think of people other than yourself.


Hey dolt, millions of families live like this in Europe. I know that it's boggling to your brain, but it's true. Go to any major European city and you will see tons of people pushing a dual stroller and a single shopping bag on the handle with fresh ingredients.

People there pop into the store every day to pick up fresh food.

By 2050, DC will probably be dense enough to support such a lifestyle.


HEY, I lived in Europe for years. IF we had bakeries, cleaners, and the equivalent of 7 eleven stores every half mile, and then bigger grocery stores every mile (all immediately next to metro stations, like the Giant at Van Ness), in the middle of residential neighborhoods, one could intelligently talk about things like this. But our zoning laws don't allow that type of development in most residential areas. Hence we don't have the infrastructure to do this. Moreover, we only have six metro lines. In Paris, they say that wherever you are, you are less than a kilometer from a Metro station. I don't know if that is true but it is easy to walk to something like that. We would need maybe 18 lines in DC to have that structure. Can you imagine anyone building 18 more underground lines? Even if they were light rail. Moreover, the richer areas tend to be in the middle of the city, middle-class areas around them, and poorer areas in the burbs. Look at living on Wisconsin in DC. No metro until you get to Tenley Town. That wouldn't cut it. Need six or seven stops between Tenley Town and Georgetown to get that structure

If we had different zoning laws, different commercial structures, 18 or more metro lines, and guaranteed seats so older folk with bad knees could sit down, THEN maybe you could talk like this. But we don't and realistically we won't. The zoning laws are the big obstacle.

But so are funds. Our political system won't even let us keep up our current system in a good, well-maintained, functioning state. I've taken the Metro for over thirty years. Thirty yeas ago it was great. Today it is terrible. Things don't work consistently. Delays abound. Can't take the Metro if one has a meeting, one might be late. Terrible.
Anonymous
BOBMD wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:'Murica! Fuck yeah!
You sound like an ignorant idiot.


Have you always suffered from an inability to recognize sarcasm?
Not when it is sounds ignorant and bigoted.


Speaking of ignorant.... (np)

I think it's a great idea! I already bike to work (VA to DC) once or twice a week so I'm prepared.



ALL RIGHT, and then when you have to take your two kids to day care, and then stop off at the grocery store after picking them up. Two trailers on your bike? Plus twin racks up front? And some heaters for your three year olds when it 20 degrees out with 12 inches of snow?

What a great idea.

If you are going to do urban planning, you have to think of people other than yourself.


Hey dolt, millions of families live like this in Europe. I know that it's boggling to your brain, but it's true. Go to any major European city and you will see tons of people pushing a dual stroller and a single shopping bag on the handle with fresh ingredients.

People there pop into the store every day to pick up fresh food.

By 2050, DC will probably be dense enough to support such a lifestyle.


HEY, I lived in Europe for years. IF we had bakeries, cleaners, and the equivalent of 7 eleven stores every half mile, and then bigger grocery stores every mile (all immediately next to metro stations, like the Giant at Van Ness), in the middle of residential neighborhoods, one could intelligently talk about things like this. But our zoning laws don't allow that type of development in most residential areas. Hence we don't have the infrastructure to do this. Moreover, we only have six metro lines. In Paris, they say that wherever you are, you are less than a kilometer from a Metro station. I don't know if that is true but it is easy to walk to something like that. We would need maybe 18 lines in DC to have that structure. Can you imagine anyone building 18 more underground lines? Even if they were light rail. Moreover, the richer areas tend to be in the middle of the city, middle-class areas around them, and poorer areas in the burbs. Look at living on Wisconsin in DC. No metro until you get to Tenley Town. That wouldn't cut it. Need six or seven stops between Tenley Town and Georgetown to get that structure

If we had different zoning laws, different commercial structures, 18 or more metro lines, and guaranteed seats so older folk with bad knees could sit down, THEN maybe you could talk like this. But we don't and realistically we won't. The zoning laws are the big obstacle.

But so are funds. Our political system won't even let us keep up our current system in a good, well-maintained, functioning state. I've taken the Metro for over thirty years. Thirty yeas ago it was great. Today it is terrible. Things don't work consistently. Delays abound. Can't take the Metro if one has a meeting, one might be late. Terrible.

Europe is so much more advanced over the U.S. it isn't even a question as far as public transport(our metro is a joke comparatively); and in Europe, people aren't being stabbed to death on a weekly basis like in DC. Plus, an armed robber in Europe wouldn't be turned loose the next day like in DC.
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