FCPS NNAT 2 Result Interpretation and Retest suggestions

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Anonymous wrote:My 1st grader just told me over dinner that some of his classmates are doing Kumon on Saturday afternoons ... Wow, why?

I'm in Centreville and there are learning centers like Kumon in every shopping center. Someone has to go to all of them, right? We had a birthday party on a Sunday for a preschool class of 14 and 1 of the kids had school at his temple (Indian) and 2 of the other kids had Kumon. Can I just say my daughter was in a 3s class? Most of the kids were 4 but still!

Only white kids go to Kumon.

The Asian kids are not going, be they Indian or Chinese or otherwise. That Indian kid going to school at his temple is going for either religious or language education, or both.

The two kids were from Korean and Chinese families. When we get frozen yogurt near a learning center (not Kumon, like a Kumon wanna-be place), it is full of Asian kids. I honestly never see any white kids in there.

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Indian temples actually do academic school work for kids on weekends. Spelling bees, math bees etc.

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Anonymous wrote:My 1st grader just told me over dinner that some of his classmates are doing Kumon on Saturday afternoons ... Wow, why?

I'm in Centreville and there are learning centers like Kumon in every shopping center. Someone has to go to all of them, right? We had a birthday party on a Sunday for a preschool class of 14 and 1 of the kids had school at his temple (Indian) and 2 of the other kids had Kumon. Can I just say my daughter was in a 3s class? Most of the kids were 4 but still!

Only white kids go to Kumon.

The Asian kids are not going, be they Indian or Chinese or otherwise. That Indian kid going to school at his temple is going for either religious or language education, or both.

I am an Indian and I think that kid was going for the language learning like Hindi or something. Indians pay a lot of attention on the kids education and some of them fanatically. But it doesn't mean that all Indians prep their kids starting birth.

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Anonymous wrote:My 1st grader just told me over dinner that some of his classmates are doing Kumon on Saturday afternoons ... Wow, why?

I'm in Centreville and there are learning centers like Kumon in every shopping center. Someone has to go to all of them, right? We had a birthday party on a Sunday for a preschool class of 14 and 1 of the kids had school at his temple (Indian) and 2 of the other kids had Kumon. Can I just say my daughter was in a 3s class? Most of the kids were 4 but still!

Only white kids go to Kumon.

The Asian kids are not going, be they Indian or Chinese or otherwise. That Indian kid going to school at his temple is going for either religious or language education, or both.

The two kids were from Korean and Chinese families. When we get frozen yogurt near a learning center (not Kumon, like a Kumon wanna-be place), it is full of Asian kids. I honestly never see any white kids in there.

They are bananas.

Asian parents who are interested in education would not think anyone can teach their kids math better than them - certainly not for preschool age kids.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, your child got in the 88th percentile. That's not an "only" result. It's very high. Why do you think it is not accurate?

Secondly, you can request a one-time retake of either the CogAT or the NNAT through FCPS for free. The NNAT was online this year so your child may have rushed. You could do an NNAT retake in the fall through FCPS if you really need to. I don't know why you are dismissing these very high results, though.

It must be accurate I am sure, and you are absolutely right, my son told me he was rushed during the test. Unfortunately the opportunity is lost I feel because his peers (at least 2) have a much higher score (140s). These peers are in the same reading group and math group as my child and that is what makes me feel so bad - I am sure test scores are given a lot of weight in the decision making process. And I don't think NNAT is administered again through FCPS until the 3rd grade if requested. That is why I was wondering if I should get him retested at GMU this Sept but from what other readers have mentioned, it seems to not be a good idea...


Students can only be retested beginning in the third grade:
http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/faqs.shtml
"Can students be re-tested?
Parent/guardians of students enrolled in and attending FCPS may request one re-test in grades three through seven. This test may be administered during the fall testing cycle. Please let the testing coordinator and Advanced Academic Resource Teacher at your local school know at the start of the school year if you wish to have your student re-tested. Additional testing may be obtained from George Mason University Psychological Clinic (703-993-4200, http://cap.gmu.edu/). Students must wait at least 6 months before retaking any group ability test or individual intelligence test. Students may take a different approved individual intelligence test administered by a state licensed clinical psychologist within the 6 month period."

Look, hon, I think you are obsessing too much. (How do you know what his friends scored? Do people really talk about this?) The NNAT is used to catch bright ESOL kids who might bomb the Cogat due to language issues. It is not used to exclude kids. People have posted that their kids scored lower and were admitted to AAP.

And what do you mean, the opportunity is lost? There aren't a limited number of spaces in AAP per school or anything like that. He isn't competing with his friends for a scarce commodity. Just chill out.

Thank you so much. I appreciate it. What you say about nnat makes sense. I hope my son does better with Cogat. What I meant with the lost opportunity is that I know my son would do great in the aap pgm as he needs that additional challenge and rigor.I feel like with the low nnat score, his chances of being accepted are hampered. The cogat is in Oct. I am not sure when the results for cogat are sent out, but parent referrals are due in Feb and I would just need to work on a referral without waiting for the cogat scores? Also I don't know how much importance the scores are given during the decision making. They say they take a holistic approach but again I wonder how much emphasis is given to scores - I am sure it is the easiest measure to base decisions on. Also I worry that a referral is sort of looked at differently than the pool files. Just thinking aloud. But still not sure whether I should do the GMU retest in Sept15 or wait for cogat.

Best thing you can do is feed and rest your kid over the summer, so they can grow up healthy, and read (to and with them), talk and engage with them.

Best determinant of a kid's IQ is that of its main care giver. So are you smarter than the Kumon teachers?

Yes, referrals are looked at differently than pool files. While they evaluate all files the same way, the referrals will be looked at differently because they are different.

Pool files will have good NNAT, COGAT and GBRS scores across the board - maybe some scores a bit stronger, or some a bit weaker, than the average pool file.

Referred files will have one or more weaknesses in these scores. Ideally it would be augmented by other information (work sample, WISC, etc.). So you're asking the selection committee to discount one or more weaknesses in light of the augmented information. After all, if there wasn't a weakness they would be in the pool.

The bolded is absolutely Incorrect. I know plenty of in pool kids from one score (or both) with a low GBRS. Pool files will NOT necessarily have good NNAT, FxAT and GBRS across the board.

[Anonymous]

You are obsessing about AAP way too much and way too early.
Sure you can start working on a referral now but you need to learn about your kid's strengths, which is going to be helpful whether she/he gets into AAP or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, your child got in the 88th percentile. That's not an "only" result. It's very high. Why do you think it is not accurate?

Secondly, you can request a one-time retake of either the CogAT or the NNAT through FCPS for free. The NNAT was online this year so your child may have rushed. You could do an NNAT retake in the fall through FCPS if you really need to. I don't know why you are dismissing these very high results, though.

It must be accurate I am sure, and you are absolutely right, my son told me he was rushed during the test. Unfortunately the opportunity is lost I feel because his peers (at least 2) have a much higher score (140s). These peers are in the same reading group and math group as my child and that is what makes me feel so bad - I am sure test scores are given a lot of weight in the decision making process. And I don't think NNAT is administered again through FCPS until the 3rd grade if requested. That is why I was wondering if I should get him retested at GMU this Sept but from what other readers have mentioned, it seems to not be a good idea...


Students can only be retested beginning in the third grade:
http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/faqs.shtml
"Can students be re-tested?
Parent/guardians of students enrolled in and attending FCPS may request one re-test in grades three through seven. This test may be administered during the fall testing cycle. Please let the testing coordinator and Advanced Academic Resource Teacher at your local school know at the start of the school year if you wish to have your student re-tested. Additional testing may be obtained from George Mason University Psychological Clinic (703-993-4200, http://cap.gmu.edu/). Students must wait at least 6 months before retaking any group ability test or individual intelligence test. Students may take a different approved individual intelligence test administered by a state licensed clinical psychologist within the 6 month period."

Look, hon, I think you are obsessing too much. (How do you know what his friends scored? Do people really talk about this?) The NNAT is used to catch bright ESOL kids who might bomb the Cogat due to language issues. It is not used to exclude kids. People have posted that their kids scored lower and were admitted to AAP.

And what do you mean, the opportunity is lost? There aren't a limited number of spaces in AAP per school or anything like that. He isn't competing with his friends for a scarce commodity. Just chill out.

Thank you so much. I appreciate it. What you say about nnat makes sense. I hope my son does better with Cogat. What I meant with the lost opportunity is that I know my son would do great in the aap pgm as he needs that additional challenge and rigor.I feel like with the low nnat score, his chances of being accepted are hampered. The cogat is in Oct. I am not sure when the results for cogat are sent out, but parent referrals are due in Feb and I would just need to work on a referral without waiting for the cogat scores? Also I don't know how much importance the scores are given during the decision making. They say they take a holistic approach but again I wonder how much emphasis is given to scores - I am sure it is the easiest measure to base decisions on. Also I worry that a referral is sort of looked at differently than the pool files. Just thinking aloud. But still not sure whether I should do the GMU retest in Sept15 or wait for cogat.

Best thing you can do is feed and rest your kid over the summer, so they can grow up healthy, and read (to and with them), talk and engage with them.

Best determinant of a kid's IQ is that of its main care giver. So are you smarter than the Kumon teachers?

Yes, referrals are looked at differently than pool files. While they evaluate all files the same way, the referrals will be looked at differently because they are different.

Pool files will have good NNAT, COGAT and GBRS scores across the board - maybe some scores a bit stronger, or some a bit weaker, than the average pool file.

Referred files will have one or more weaknesses in these scores. Ideally it would be augmented by other information (work sample, WISC, etc.). So you're asking the selection committee to discount one or more weaknesses in light of the augmented information. After all, if there wasn't a weakness they would be in the pool.

The bolded is absolutely Incorrect. I know plenty of in pool kids from one score (or both) with a low GBRS. Pool files will NOT necessarily have good NNAT, FxAT and GBRS across the board.

What is low in your opinion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are obsessing about AAP way too much and way too early.
Sure you can start working on a referral now but you need to learn about your kid's strengths, which is going to be helpful whether she/he gets into AAP or not.

This. Wondering already about how to retest for a test that's supposed to measure a kids innate ability with problems he/she has never seen before kind of defeats the purpose. You need to chill. Your child will get a good education in both AAP (if that's where he/she fits) or GEN ed. It is GRADE SCHOOL!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, your child got in the 88th percentile. That's not an "only" result. It's very high. Why do you think it is not accurate?

Secondly, you can request a one-time retake of either the CogAT or the NNAT through FCPS for free. The NNAT was online this year so your child may have rushed. You could do an NNAT retake in the fall through FCPS if you really need to. I don't know why you are dismissing these very high results, though.

It must be accurate I am sure, and you are absolutely right, my son told me he was rushed during the test. Unfortunately the opportunity is lost I feel because his peers (at least 2) have a much higher score (140s). These peers are in the same reading group and math group as my child and that is what makes me feel so bad - I am sure test scores are given a lot of weight in the decision making process. And I don't think NNAT is administered again through FCPS until the 3rd grade if requested. That is why I was wondering if I should get him retested at GMU this Sept but from what other readers have mentioned, it seems to not be a good idea...


Students can only be retested beginning in the third grade:
http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/faqs.shtml
"Can students be re-tested?
Parent/guardians of students enrolled in and attending FCPS may request one re-test in grades three through seven. This test may be administered during the fall testing cycle. Please let the testing coordinator and Advanced Academic Resource Teacher at your local school know at the start of the school year if you wish to have your student re-tested. Additional testing may be obtained from George Mason University Psychological Clinic (703-993-4200, http://cap.gmu.edu/). Students must wait at least 6 months before retaking any group ability test or individual intelligence test. Students may take a different approved individual intelligence test administered by a state licensed clinical psychologist within the 6 month period."

Look, hon, I think you are obsessing too much. (How do you know what his friends scored? Do people really talk about this?) The NNAT is used to catch bright ESOL kids who might bomb the Cogat due to language issues. It is not used to exclude kids. People have posted that their kids scored lower and were admitted to AAP.

And what do you mean, the opportunity is lost? There aren't a limited number of spaces in AAP per school or anything like that. He isn't competing with his friends for a scarce commodity. Just chill out.

Thank you so much. I appreciate it. What you say about nnat makes sense. I hope my son does better with Cogat. What I meant with the lost opportunity is that I know my son would do great in the aap pgm as he needs that additional challenge and rigor.I feel like with the low nnat score, his chances of being accepted are hampered. The cogat is in Oct. I am not sure when the results for cogat are sent out, but parent referrals are due in Feb and I would just need to work on a referral without waiting for the cogat scores? Also I don't know how much importance the scores are given during the decision making. They say they take a holistic approach but again I wonder how much emphasis is given to scores - I am sure it is the easiest measure to base decisions on. Also I worry that a referral is sort of looked at differently than the pool files. Just thinking aloud. But still not sure whether I should do the GMU retest in Sept15 or wait for cogat.

Best thing you can do is feed and rest your kid over the summer, so they can grow up healthy, and read (to and with them), talk and engage with them.

Best determinant of a kid's IQ is that of its main care giver. So are you smarter than the Kumon teachers?

Yes, referrals are looked at differently than pool files. While they evaluate all files the same way, the referrals will be looked at differently because they are different.

Pool files will have good NNAT, COGAT and GBRS scores across the board - maybe some scores a bit stronger, or some a bit weaker, than the average pool file.

Referred files will have one or more weaknesses in these scores. Ideally it would be augmented by other information (work sample, WISC, etc.). So you're asking the selection committee to discount one or more weaknesses in light of the augmented information. After all, if there wasn't a weakness they would be in the pool.

The bolded is absolutely Incorrect. I know plenty of in pool kids from one score (or both) with a low GBRS. Pool files will NOT necessarily have good NNAT, FxAT and GBRS across the board.

What is low in your opinion?

Kids with 108 NNAT have gotten in. I consider that low. A kid with GBRS of 6 got in. I consider that VERY low. Kid with one FxAT score at 132 and others well below that have gotten in (114, 119, 110, etc.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First of all, your child got in the 88th percentile. That's not an "only" result. It's very high. Why do you think it is not accurate?

Secondly, you can request a one-time retake of either the CogAT or the NNAT through FCPS for free. The NNAT was online this year so your child may have rushed. You could do an NNAT retake in the fall through FCPS if you really need to. I don't know why you are dismissing these very high results, though.

It must be accurate I am sure, and you are absolutely right, my son told me he was rushed during the test. Unfortunately the opportunity is lost I feel because his peers (at least 2) have a much higher score (140s). These peers are in the same reading group and math group as my child and that is what makes me feel so bad - I am sure test scores are given a lot of weight in the decision making process. And I don't think NNAT is administered again through FCPS until the 3rd grade if requested. That is why I was wondering if I should get him retested at GMU this Sept but from what other readers have mentioned, it seems to not be a good idea...


Students can only be retested beginning in the third grade:
http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/faqs.shtml
"Can students be re-tested?
Parent/guardians of students enrolled in and attending FCPS may request one re-test in grades three through seven. This test may be administered during the fall testing cycle. Please let the testing coordinator and Advanced Academic Resource Teacher at your local school know at the start of the school year if you wish to have your student re-tested. Additional testing may be obtained from George Mason University Psychological Clinic (703-993-4200, http://cap.gmu.edu/). Students must wait at least 6 months before retaking any group ability test or individual intelligence test. Students may take a different approved individual intelligence test administered by a state licensed clinical psychologist within the 6 month period."

Look, hon, I think you are obsessing too much. (How do you know what his friends scored? Do people really talk about this?) The NNAT is used to catch bright ESOL kids who might bomb the Cogat due to language issues. It is not used to exclude kids. People have posted that their kids scored lower and were admitted to AAP.

And what do you mean, the opportunity is lost? There aren't a limited number of spaces in AAP per school or anything like that. He isn't competing with his friends for a scarce commodity. Just chill out.

Thank you so much. I appreciate it. What you say about nnat makes sense. I hope my son does better with Cogat. What I meant with the lost opportunity is that I know my son would do great in the aap pgm as he needs that additional challenge and rigor.I feel like with the low nnat score, his chances of being accepted are hampered. The cogat is in Oct. I am not sure when the results for cogat are sent out, but parent referrals are due in Feb and I would just need to work on a referral without waiting for the cogat scores? Also I don't know how much importance the scores are given during the decision making. They say they take a holistic approach but again I wonder how much emphasis is given to scores - I am sure it is the easiest measure to base decisions on. Also I worry that a referral is sort of looked at differently than the pool files. Just thinking aloud. But still not sure whether I should do the GMU retest in Sept15 or wait for cogat.

Best thing you can do is feed and rest your kid over the summer, so they can grow up healthy, and read (to and with them), talk and engage with them.

Best determinant of a kid's IQ is that of its main care giver. So are you smarter than the Kumon teachers?

Yes, referrals are looked at differently than pool files. While they evaluate all files the same way, the referrals will be looked at differently because they are different.

Pool files will have good NNAT, COGAT and GBRS scores across the board - maybe some scores a bit stronger, or some a bit weaker, than the average pool file.

Referred files will have one or more weaknesses in these scores. Ideally it would be augmented by other information (work sample, WISC, etc.). So you're asking the selection committee to discount one or more weaknesses in light of the augmented information. After all, if there wasn't a weakness they would be in the pool.

The bolded is absolutely Incorrect. I know plenty of in pool kids from one score (or both) with a low GBRS. Pool files will NOT necessarily have good NNAT, FxAT and GBRS across the board.

What is low in your opinion?

Kids with 108 NNAT have gotten in. I consider that low. A kid with GBRS of 6 got in. I consider that VERY low. Kid with one FxAT score at 132 and others well below that have gotten in (114, 119, 110, etc.)

Thank you so much. Makes me feel better. If what you mention above about children with these scores being selected for AAP is true, it certainly means test scores are not everything. I feel it depends a lot on the school, luck too, right? Perception of teachers, the nature of the particular teachers who will be rating your child on GBRS etc., there are just so many factors. I also need to believe that even if my child does not get into AAP, he will get a good education.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, your child got in the 88th percentile. That's not an "only" result. It's very high. Why do you think it is not accurate?

Secondly, you can request a one-time retake of either the CogAT or the NNAT through FCPS for free. The NNAT was online this year so your child may have rushed. You could do an NNAT retake in the fall through FCPS if you really need to. I don't know why you are dismissing these very high results, though.

It must be accurate I am sure, and you are absolutely right, my son told me he was rushed during the test. Unfortunately the opportunity is lost I feel because his peers (at least 2) have a much higher score (140s). These peers are in the same reading group and math group as my child and that is what makes me feel so bad - I am sure test scores are given a lot of weight in the decision making process. And I don't think NNAT is administered again through FCPS until the 3rd grade if requested. That is why I was wondering if I should get him retested at GMU this Sept but from what other readers have mentioned, it seems to not be a good idea...


Students can only be retested beginning in the third grade:
http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/faqs.shtml
"Can students be re-tested?
Parent/guardians of students enrolled in and attending FCPS may request one re-test in grades three through seven. This test may be administered during the fall testing cycle. Please let the testing coordinator and Advanced Academic Resource Teacher at your local school know at the start of the school year if you wish to have your student re-tested. Additional testing may be obtained from George Mason University Psychological Clinic (703-993-4200, http://cap.gmu.edu/). Students must wait at least 6 months before retaking any group ability test or individual intelligence test. Students may take a different approved individual intelligence test administered by a state licensed clinical psychologist within the 6 month period."

Look, hon, I think you are obsessing too much. (How do you know what his friends scored? Do people really talk about this?) The NNAT is used to catch bright ESOL kids who might bomb the Cogat due to language issues. It is not used to exclude kids. People have posted that their kids scored lower and were admitted to AAP.

And what do you mean, the opportunity is lost? There aren't a limited number of spaces in AAP per school or anything like that. He isn't competing with his friends for a scarce commodity. Just chill out.

Thank you so much. I appreciate it. What you say about nnat makes sense. I hope my son does better with Cogat. What I meant with the lost opportunity is that I know my son would do great in the aap pgm as he needs that additional challenge and rigor.I feel like with the low nnat score, his chances of being accepted are hampered. The cogat is in Oct. I am not sure when the results for cogat are sent out, but parent referrals are due in Feb and I would just need to work on a referral without waiting for the cogat scores? Also I don't know how much importance the scores are given during the decision making. They say they take a holistic approach but again I wonder how much emphasis is given to scores - I am sure it is the easiest measure to base decisions on. Also I worry that a referral is sort of looked at differently than the pool files. Just thinking aloud. But still not sure whether I should do the GMU retest in Sept15 or wait for cogat.

Best thing you can do is feed and rest your kid over the summer, so they can grow up healthy, and read (to and with them), talk and engage with them.

Best determinant of a kid's IQ is that of its main care giver. So are you smarter than the Kumon teachers?

Yes, referrals are looked at differently than pool files. While they evaluate all files the same way, the referrals will be looked at differently because they are different.

Pool files will have good NNAT, COGAT and GBRS scores across the board - maybe some scores a bit stronger, or some a bit weaker, than the average pool file.

Referred files will have one or more weaknesses in these scores. Ideally it would be augmented by other information (work sample, WISC, etc.). So you're asking the selection committee to discount one or more weaknesses in light of the augmented information. After all, if there wasn't a weakness they would be in the pool.

The bolded is absolutely Incorrect. I know plenty of in pool kids from one score (or both) with a low GBRS. Pool files will NOT necessarily have good NNAT, FxAT and GBRS across the board.

What is low in your opinion?

Kids with 108 NNAT have gotten in. I consider that low. A kid with GBRS of 6 got in. I consider that VERY low. Kid with one FxAT score at 132 and others well below that have gotten in (114, 119, 110, etc.)

Thank you so much. Makes me feel better. If what you mention above about children with these scores being selected for AAP is true, it certainly means test scores are not everything. I feel it depends a lot on the school, luck too, right? Perception of teachers, the nature of the particular teachers who will be rating your child on GBRS etc., there are just so many factors. I also need to believe that even if my child does not get into AAP, he will get a good education.

I do think your child will need at least 2 separate indications of the need for the program. So if there is a really high NNAT but everything else (FxAT or GBRS) is low, the chance isn't great. The question will be whether there are two such separate indications...

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A kid with a 108 NNAT or a 6 on GBRS was in-pool?

I don't doubt that kids with those scores get in, but they wouldn't be in-pool kids typically.

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Anonymous wrote:A kid with a 108 NNAT or a 6 on GBRS was in-pool?

I don't doubt that kids with those scores get in, but they wouldn't be in-pool kids typically.

Obviously, there has to be a better Cogat score to get into the pool. Pool is very objective - a certain benchmark on either test. Normally 132. GBRS has no significance for pool.

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Anonymous wrote:A kid with a 108 NNAT or a 6 on GBRS was in-pool?

I don't doubt that kids with those scores get in, but they wouldn't be in-pool kids typically.

A kid with a 108 NNAT but an in-pool FxAT is in pool. GBRS has nothing to do with pool.