Why was that girl in Syria?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WOW instead of applauding her for giving her life in serving other people, you can't muster anything but "poor stupid girl." Do you even have any idea what it is like to be a human being in one of those countries. I DO! Someone coming to help you and showing they care is more than words can describe. I guess we should just all hide in our little holes and screw the people suffering all over the world. I applaud her and the life she lived.

Well said! The ignorance and lack of empathy on this board is shocking, and that's saying something.

At times it seems that all that many on this board really value is going to law school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And this is coming from someone who has as little sympathy for a proselytizing missionary, as I do for some ISIS follower.

Please think about what you just said. Do you really mean that?

Absolutely. I think people who go across the world to "spread the word" are committing a different kind of violence. It messes societies up. It disturbs the populations, causes conflict, and leads to physical violence. Where do you think literal witchhunting of gays in parts of Africa are stemmed from? Generally American Christians going to African countries to "spread the word."

Ditto for Saudi missionaries who set up Wahhabi schools in places like Pakistan, making the society much more conservative, fundamentalist, and dangerous.

I have zero sympathy for missionaries who proselytize. None. Nada. They are shitstirrers of the worst kind.

But have all the respect in the world for people who give, act, do, to help others without the need to espouse their religion.

I take it that you have more understanding for those who proselytize a gay lifestyle as that is presumably closer to your PC worldview

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WOW instead of applauding her for giving her life in serving other people, you can't muster anything but "poor stupid girl." Do you even have any idea what it is like to be a human being in one of those countries. I DO! Someone coming to help you and showing they care is more than words can describe. I guess we should just all hide in our little holes and screw the people suffering all over the world. I applaud her and the life she lived.

Well said! The ignorance and lack of empathy on this board is shocking, and that's saying something.

At times it seems that all that many on this board really value is going to law school.

Isn’t this the truth!! Pathetic. I guess for some it is all about the money and prestige.

[Anonymous]

I've never heard of Debbi Schlussel, but just came across this while I was reading about Kayla. I couldn't believe what I was reading ans how hateful she is. She made it sound like this poor girl worked with HAMAS. I read the linked article below, and it didn't get it. No matter what side she was on, it seemed like she was always peaceful and trying to help people.


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/77161/kayla-mueller-dead-isis-hostage-was-jew-hating-anti-israel-bitch/


http://palsolidarity.org/2015/02/ism-honors-kayla-mueller/

[Anonymous]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/.premium-1.641876

I had no idea she had only been in Syria for one day before being taken. She was there with her boyfriend, who was working on a computer issue.

It's also being reported that she "belonged" to a top ISIS leader. That would explain why there weren't ransom demands or videos. I feel so awful for her and her family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And this is coming from someone who has as little sympathy for a proselytizing missionary, as I do for some ISIS follower.

Please think about what you just said. Do you really mean that?

Absolutely. I think people who go across the world to "spread the word" are committing a different kind of violence. It messes societies up. It disturbs the populations, causes conflict, and leads to physical violence. Where do you think literal witchhunting of gays in parts of Africa are stemmed from? Generally American Christians going to African countries to "spread the word."

Ditto for Saudi missionaries who set up Wahhabi schools in places like Pakistan, making the society much more conservative, fundamentalist, and dangerous.

I have zero sympathy for missionaries who proselytize. None. Nada. They are shitstirrers of the worst kind.

But have all the respect in the world for people who give, act, do, to help others without the need to espouse their religion.

Right, missionaries' proselytizing activities can totally be compared to the degrading, barbaric violence committed by a sadistic, psychopathic organization. Thanks for helping us all to see that. You're a wonderfully-rational person.

Yes, fundamentalist Christians that preach a monolithic view of the world, which regularly includes hateful attitudes regarding others resulting in violence, are no different than fundamentalist Muslims preaching a monolithic view of the world, which regularly includes hateful attitudes regarding others resulting in violence.

I'm sure ISIS would also call those against their beliefs as "too PC" as well. Different sides of the same coin. Both fundamentalist, proselytizing Muslims and Christians have wrecked havoc on local populations with their own versions of proselytizing.

A friend of mine knew Kayla. He (a Muslim) was a photojournalist working in Egypt and spent time getting to know her. She was a humanitarian that happened to be Christian. She was a good soul, and said of her "I remember her as a fun-loving, caring, open-minded and welcoming person. Kayla had a vision to make the world a better place." People like Kayla deserve all the praises sung about them.

There's a difference between someone who does great work inspired by their private faith, and someone who does work with the agenda of spreading their religious ideology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Humanitarian. They don't belong there but believe they can help.

and yet an armed marine who goes to Mexico gets your complete sympathy. Semper Hypocrisys!

I don't have sympathy for that guy at all, actually. Just because you put words in people's mouths doesn't mean they really said them, you realize? He doesn't have anything to do with this topic anyway.. Like... At all.

[Anonymous]

I sympathize with her family, but generally take a dim view of milenials (sic) traveling to this part of the world.

I don't know what their policies are or recruiting challenges, but Doctors W/out Borders should not be sending a 23 year old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not trying to sound totally insensitive but didn't someone warn her about going over there? I don't get it. You don't just wander into that part of the world. So sad.

I'll tell you why
She came from a liberal family of good doers that were totally naïve about the real world. Dumb to put it bluntly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I sympathize with her family, but generally take a dim view of milenials (sic) traveling to this part of the world.

I don't know what their policies are or recruiting challenges, but Doctors W/out Borders should not be sending a 23 year old.

According to the New York Times, Doctors Without Borders contracted the Syrian guy to fix their internet and were surprised she showed up with him:

She had arrived in Syria a day earlier with a Syrian man who has been described as her boyfriend or colleague.

He had been contracted to fix the Internet connection at a Doctors Without Borders office, and employees of the international charity were flabbergasted when Ms. Mueller showed up with him.

Syria was then a no-go zone for most international aid workers, said employees of the charity, who explained that they had reluctantly housed her overnight and agreed to drive her to a bus station for what was supposed to be her trip back to Turkey.

Her car was ambushed on the way, and she and her Syrian companion were abducted. He was later freed and has declined to speak about what happened.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/world/middleeast/parents-of-kayla-mueller-isis-hostage-confirm-she-is-dead.html?_r=0

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, you care enough to write a post but not even find out the name of that "girl?" You are a pathetic and nasty gossip.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And this is coming from someone who has as little sympathy for a proselytizing missionary, as I do for some ISIS follower.

Please think about what you just said. Do you really mean that?

Absolutely. I think people who go across the world to "spread the word" are committing a different kind of violence. It messes societies up. It disturbs the populations, causes conflict, and leads to physical violence. Where do you think literal witchhunting of gays in parts of Africa are stemmed from? Generally American Christians going to African countries to "spread the word."

Ditto for Saudi missionaries who set up Wahhabi schools in places like Pakistan, making the society much more conservative, fundamentalist, and dangerous.

I have zero sympathy for missionaries who proselytize. None. Nada. They are shitstirrers of the worst kind.

But have all the respect in the world for people who give, act, do, to help others without the need to espouse their religion.

Right, missionaries' proselytizing activities can totally be compared to the degrading, barbaric violence committed by a sadistic, psychopathic organization. Thanks for helping us all to see that. You're a wonderfully-rational person.

Yes, fundamentalist Christians that preach a monolithic view of the world, which regularly includes hateful attitudes regarding others resulting in violence, are no different than fundamentalist Muslims preaching a monolithic view of the world, which regularly includes hateful attitudes regarding others resulting in violence.

I'm sure ISIS would also call those against their beliefs as "too PC" as well. Different sides of the same coin. Both fundamentalist, proselytizing Muslims and Christians have wrecked havoc on local populations with their own versions of proselytizing.

A friend of mine knew Kayla. He (a Muslim) was a photojournalist working in Egypt and spent time getting to know her. She was a humanitarian that happened to be Christian. She was a good soul, and said of her "I remember her as a fun-loving, caring, open-minded and welcoming person. Kayla had a vision to make the world a better place." People like Kayla deserve all the praises sung about them.

There's a difference between someone who does great work inspired by their private faith, and someone who does work with the agenda of spreading their religious ideology.

There's no way to save your argument without changing it entirely. It's an inherently-flawed argument.

[Anonymous]

Here's what I see being argued here:

Kayla was a millenial without any sense of purpose.
Kayla was a religious zealot.
Kayla was an airhead who didn't understand global politics.
Kayla was an overprivileged geotourist.
Kayla didn't know she was in danger and in a war zone.
Kayla was well-meaning had no business with Doctors without Borders.

We don't know any of this. You are filling a vacuum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I sympathize with her family, but generally take a dim view of milenials (sic) traveling to this part of the world.

I don't know what their policies are or recruiting challenges, but Doctors W/out Borders should not be sending a 23 year old.

According to the New York Times, Doctors Without Borders contracted the Syrian guy to fix their internet and were surprised she showed up with him:

She had arrived in Syria a day earlier with a Syrian man who has been described as her boyfriend or colleague.

He had been contracted to fix the Internet connection at a Doctors Without Borders office, and employees of the international charity were flabbergasted when Ms. Mueller showed up with him.

Syria was then a no-go zone for most international aid workers, said employees of the charity, who explained that they had reluctantly housed her overnight and agreed to drive her to a bus station for what was supposed to be her trip back to Turkey.

Her car was ambushed on the way, and she and her Syrian companion were abducted. He was later freed and has declined to speak about what happened.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/world/middleeast/parents-of-kayla-mueller-isis-hostage-confirm-she-is-dead.html?_r=0

Westerners in these areas have a price on their heads. All the hostages have been betrayed/sold to ISIS or middleman groups who sell them to ISIS. Somebody Kayla encountered sold the information on her presence and whereabouts, I don't doubt. Just because she was good, does not mean others are not evil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's what I see being argued here:

Kayla was a millenial without any sense of purpose.
Kayla was a religious zealot.
Kayla was an airhead who didn't understand global politics.
Kayla was an overprivileged geotourist.
Kayla didn't know she was in danger and in a war zone.
Kayla was well-meaning had no business with Doctors without Borders.

We don't know any of this. You are filling a vacuum.

All I've argued was she didn't belong there. Even if she thought she knew the dangers, even if she thought she was safe. A 23 year old American girl DOES NOT belong in an ISIS warzone.