Teachers, parents souring on Common Core across U.S.

[Anonymous]

https://deutsch29.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/those-24-common-core-2009-work-group-members/

Interesting information about members of the math work group. Please read to the part where it gives the affiliation of those selected. Eye-opening.

[Anonymous]

Well, back then the SOLs were adopted in VA you would have thought the world was going to end. Teachers were crying, principals were threatening to quit, parents complained that their kids were being pressured and threatened to pull kids out of testing on test days.

The attitude is still awful towards the SOLs. Just as it is by teachers toward CC. It has not improved in Virginia--and it doesn't sound like you live or teach in VA anymore or you would know that.

[Anonymous]

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What is TOS?


Terms of Service. Jeff has prohibited the posting of just links (and in this case, verbatim snippets from the linked article) to the forums.

If you wish to say something about Common Core, you can incorporate your links, but at least express a point of view.

For the record, I think the articles are histrionic. Common Core is grossly misunderstood and very necessary for our country. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all to have a set of standards of what every child should know after completion of each grade. That's all Common Core does. I find the hand-wringing over it to be absurd. A bunch of right-wing mumbo jumbo about how it's Obama's fault and stuff, when in fact it was a carefully researched, bipartisan grassroots initiative. Common core is common sense.



I'm OP and my experience with Common Core is that my child now despises school. I hear this on Facebook from friends all across the country.

But good on you for being a rule follower! I see why Common Core has such appeal for you.


Common core doesn't have anything to do with "following rules." But, I guess if you heard something on Facebook, it must be true, right?

I don't even think you read the first article you posted. Those teachers haven't "soured" on Common Core. They're frustrated with the implementation and don't feel they've had enough time to learn the curriculum adopted to meet the standards.

My instruction for you today is to try a little harder to think critically. Stop believing everything you read on Facebook, stop thinking that rebellion for the sake of rebellion is virtuous, and stop resorting to ad hominem attacks when someone you disagree with expresses a viewpoint (that you did that only confirms that you cannot articulate WHY you don't like Common Core except to say your Facebook friends don't like it either). When you have done these things, you're welcome to engage this conversation again. Until then, please refrain from posting anymore. Thank you.

Thank you, PP, for posting! This OP is clearly not able to parse out the issues in a critical way and is incredibly annoying in their obstinance.

Let's look at these links they posted. The first is about a dozen teachers in WA state who complain about having a sub shortage meaning they are unable to adequately receive training to implement the standards. This has nothing to do with the standards. This has to do with resources for implementation, a completely valid complaint, but NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL STANDARDS.

Then we have a few links that complain about the culture of standardized testing, which is not the same as the establishment of standards. Oh, and there is the article complaining that the standards won't allow for the study of higher math (which, again, has nothing to do with the standards but may have to do with faulty implementation.)

Then, our intrepid OP follows up with her real issue. Her son doesn't like school because of CC. This is hard to believe since I have yet to meet a student who understands CC enough to detest school because of them. She finishes with the very convincing fact that it must be true that CC is bad because so many of her Facebook friends think it is so.

I'm so tired of people like the OP who have no idea what they're talking about.

[Anonymous]

Then we have a few links that complain about the culture of standardized testing, which is not the same as the establishment of standards. Oh, and there is the article complaining that the standards won't allow for the study of higher math (which, again, has nothing to do with the standards but may have to do with faulty implementation.)

You don't seem to understand that, without the testing, the standards would have no meaning.............

[Anonymous]

Then, our intrepid OP follows up with her real issue. Her son doesn't like school because of CC. This is hard to believe since I have yet to meet a student who understands CC enough to detest school because of them. She finishes with the very convincing fact that it must be true that CC is bad because so many of her Facebook friends think it is so.

Gee. Just maybe the mom has figured it out on her own. You do understand that some parents do pay attention, don't you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://deutsch29.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/those-24-common-core-2009-work-group-members/

Interesting information about members of the math work group. Please read to the part where it gives the affiliation of those selected. Eye-opening.

And for those who won't bother to click on the link, it basically shows just a couple of the people who wrote the standards had any classroom teaching experience, let alone experience in math.

It's a debacle. I hope we can sue these people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


What is TOS?


Terms of Service. Jeff has prohibited the posting of just links (and in this case, verbatim snippets from the linked article) to the forums.

If you wish to say something about Common Core, you can incorporate your links, but at least express a point of view.

For the record, I think the articles are histrionic. Common Core is grossly misunderstood and very necessary for our country. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all to have a set of standards of what every child should know after completion of each grade. That's all Common Core does. I find the hand-wringing over it to be absurd. A bunch of right-wing mumbo jumbo about how it's Obama's fault and stuff, when in fact it was a carefully researched, bipartisan grassroots initiative. Common core is common sense.



I'm OP and my experience with Common Core is that my child now despises school. I hear this on Facebook from friends all across the country.

But good on you for being a rule follower! I see why Common Core has such appeal for you.


Common core doesn't have anything to do with "following rules." But, I guess if you heard something on Facebook, it must be true, right?

I don't even think you read the first article you posted. Those teachers haven't "soured" on Common Core. They're frustrated with the implementation and don't feel they've had enough time to learn the curriculum adopted to meet the standards.

My instruction for you today is to try a little harder to think critically. Stop believing everything you read on Facebook, stop thinking that rebellion for the sake of rebellion is virtuous, and stop resorting to ad hominem attacks when someone you disagree with expresses a viewpoint (that you did that only confirms that you cannot articulate WHY you don't like Common Core except to say your Facebook friends don't like it either). When you have done these things, you're welcome to engage this conversation again. Until then, please refrain from posting anymore. Thank you.

Thank you, PP, for posting! This OP is clearly not able to parse out the issues in a critical way and is incredibly annoying in their obstinance.

Let's look at these links they posted. The first is about a dozen teachers in WA state who complain about having a sub shortage meaning they are unable to adequately receive training to implement the standards. This has nothing to do with the standards. This has to do with resources for implementation, a completely valid complaint, but NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL STANDARDS.

Then we have a few links that complain about the culture of standardized testing, which is not the same as the establishment of standards. Oh, and there is the article complaining that the standards won't allow for the study of higher math (which, again, has nothing to do with the standards but may have to do with faulty implementation.)

Then, our intrepid OP follows up with her real issue. Her son doesn't like school because of CC. This is hard to believe since I have yet to meet a student who understands CC enough to detest school because of them. She finishes with the very convincing fact that it must be true that CC is bad because so many of her Facebook friends think it is so.

I'm so tired of people like the OP who have no idea what they're talking about.

It's you who haven't done your homework and are spouting Common Core marketing babble. From the above link, a confession from the lead writer of the Common Core Math Standards that hey don't prepare you for college math.

https://deutsch29.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/those-24-common-core-2009-work-group-members/


Jason Zimba, another “lead writer” of the CCSS math, holds a bachelors and masters in mathematics and another masters plus a doctorate in physics. Zimba once taught physics and mathematics at Bennington College; however, he is no longer there, and the link to his vita is dead. According to Zimba’s bio on the Student Achievement Partners (SAP) website (the company-gone-nonprofit that directed CCSS), Zimba has taught “disadvantaged high school students, and children of non-English speaking immigrants”; however, no details are provided regarding Zimba’s having any specific K-12 classroom teaching experience.

The Baton Rouge Advocate includes this very telling observation by Zimba regarding the suitability of CCSS math for “college readiness”:

Jason Zimba, a professor of physics and math at Bennington College in Vermont and lead writer of the math standards, says they include “an awful lot of algebra before eighth grade,” even though the first full course doesn’t come until high school.

But Zimba also acknowledges that ending with the Common Core in high school could preclude students from attending elite colleges. In many cases, the Core is not aligned with the expectations at the collegiate level. “If you want to take calculus your freshman year in college, you will need to take more mathematics than is in the Common Core,” Zimba said

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What is TOS?

Terms of Service. Jeff has prohibited the posting of just links (and in this case, verbatim snippets from the linked article) to the forums.

If you wish to say something about Common Core, you can incorporate your links, but at least express a point of view.

For the record, I think the articles are histrionic. Common Core is grossly misunderstood and very necessary for our country. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me at all to have a set of standards of what every child should know after completion of each grade. That's all Common Core does. I find the hand-wringing over it to be absurd. A bunch of right-wing mumbo jumbo about how it's Obama's fault and stuff, when in fact it was a carefully researched, bipartisan grassroots initiative. Common core is common sense.

I'm OP and my experience with Common Core is that my child now despises school. I hear this on Facebook from friends all across the country.

But good on you for being a rule follower! I see why Common Core has such appeal for you.

Common core doesn't have anything to do with "following rules." But, I guess if you heard something on Facebook, it must be true, right?

I don't even think you read the first article you posted. Those teachers haven't "soured" on Common Core. They're frustrated with the implementation and don't feel they've had enough time to learn the curriculum adopted to meet the standards.

My instruction for you today is to try a little harder to think critically. Stop believing everything you read on Facebook, stop thinking that rebellion for the sake of rebellion is virtuous, and stop resorting to ad hominem attacks when someone you disagree with expresses a viewpoint (that you did that only confirms that you cannot articulate WHY you don't like Common Core except to say your Facebook friends don't like it either). When you have done these things, you're welcome to engage this conversation again. Until then, please refrain from posting anymore. Thank you.

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[Anonymous]

All my teacher friends hate Common Core. They also think it's the flavor of the month (more likely the decade) and will go down in flames in a few years, just like every other "miracle" makeover of American education.

[Anonymous]

All my teacher friends hate Common Core. They also think it's the flavor of the month (more likely the decade) and will go down in flames in a few years, just like every other "miracle" makeover of American education.

There is no magic potion. It takes teachers who are willing to work hard and pay attention to the needs of their students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

All my teacher friends hate Common Core. They also think it's the flavor of the month (more likely the decade) and will go down in flames in a few years, just like every other "miracle" makeover of American education.

great.. so what are we left with.. the same old curriculum from 20 yrs ago? Gee, that will help my ES kids be ready for a 21st century job market.. by learning from a 20th century curriculum because our educators can't get their shit together.

[Anonymous]

CC sucks monkey ass and anyone who doesn't think so is clearly not trying to help 11 year olds with math while not being allowed to explain about "carrying" and "borrowing"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CC sucks monkey ass and anyone who doesn't think so is clearly not trying to help 11 year olds with math while not being allowed to explain about "carrying" and "borrowing"

Who is telling your 11 year old child she can't use the standard algorithm to add and subtract?

That's an explicit 4th grade standard.

CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.4.NBT.B.4
Fluently add and subtract multi-digit whole numbers using the standard algorithm.

A 5th grade standards is to fluently multiply and divide multi-digit whole numbers using the standard algorithm. So if teachers are telling your child not to use the standard algorithms, that's not on Common Core.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
It's you who haven't done your homework and are spouting Common Core marketing babble. From the above link, a confession from the lead writer of the Common Core Math Standards that hey don't prepare you for college math.

https://deutsch29.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/those-24-common-core-2009-work-group-members/


Jason Zimba, another “lead writer” of the CCSS math, holds a bachelors and masters in mathematics and another masters plus a doctorate in physics. Zimba once taught physics and mathematics at Bennington College; however, he is no longer there, and the link to his vita is dead. According to Zimba’s bio on the Student Achievement Partners (SAP) website (the company-gone-nonprofit that directed CCSS), Zimba has taught “disadvantaged high school students, and children of non-English speaking immigrants”; however, no details are provided regarding Zimba’s having any specific K-12 classroom teaching experience.

The Baton Rouge Advocate includes this very telling observation by Zimba regarding the suitability of CCSS math for “college readiness”:

Jason Zimba, a professor of physics and math at Bennington College in Vermont and lead writer of the math standards, says they include “an awful lot of algebra before eighth grade,” even though the first full course doesn’t come until high school.

But Zimba also acknowledges that ending with the Common Core in high school could preclude students from attending elite colleges. In many cases, the Core is not aligned with the expectations at the collegiate level. “If you want to take calculus your freshman year in college, you will need to take more mathematics than is in the Common Core,” Zimba said

Well, wait now. Why do you even care what this "lead writer" of the math standards has to say? Apparently he has almost no experience in teaching K-12 math, so his ideas and comments are useless, or at least suspect, right?

But anyhow....Common Core state standards are not meant to prepare all students for so-called "elite" colleges. Just college, including community college. Students with a high school diploma should not need to take remedial math and developmental reading classes in community college.

Students with a strong proclivity in math would be expected to master the standards in high school at an accelerated pace, leaving room for advanced math (AP Calculus, etc.) which are not appropriate or intended for all students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Well, back then the SOLs were adopted in VA you would have thought the world was going to end. Teachers were crying, principals were threatening to quit, parents complained that their kids were being pressured and threatened to pull kids out of testing on test days.

The attitude is still awful towards the SOLs. Just as it is by teachers toward CC. It has not improved in Virginia--and it doesn't sound like you live or teach in VA anymore or you would know that.

Well, I read the dcurbanmom.com VA schools thread and don't see a lot of SOL criticism. I just looked through the first 20 pages of thread titles and didn't see anything that mentioned SOLs or curriculum at all, except for one thread posted by the parent of an 8th grader who was having difficulty with writing (she feared he wouldn't be able to pass the 8th grade Language Arts SOL). Some concern about testing in Kindergarten but that turned out to be concern that DRAs were taking too much time.

If the Standards of Learning still were causing so much trauma, I assume dcum parents would be full of complaints here but I'm not seeing it.