Starr to place spending restrictions on Montgomery school system

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Anonymous wrote:let's look at it this way, the population of the county is at an all time high, the school enrolment is at an all time high yet the county isn;t bringing in as much tax revenue as expected. I wonder why??????

Look at how much the County Executive has cut from the budget the past 10 years, this should not be happening but it is because of the haven that has been created in the county.

Fairfax County also projects a budget shortfall. What's your explanation for that?

same thing, a lot fo free loaders who live in group housing and do not pay taxes.

Aren't schools funded by property tax? If so, then what about all the citizens that live in apartments? They don't pay any property tax, either. So, apt. dwellers shouldn't be allowed to send their kids to public school. So, this is a class issue.

OK, I will confess... I am an immigrant. My parents didn't speak English when we came here, and my siblings had ESL services. We also lived in a 1 br apartment for a while for the 6 of us. I'm so sorry we took advantage of the public schools here, even though now, my siblings and I pay A LOT in taxes, both in property (8K) and income tax (I think one of my tax bill was about 80K one year). When we lived in those apartments, my parents probably payed very little income tax (because they had menial, low paying jobs). So again, I apologize for coming to this country, using up services, and also eventually contributing to the tax base. My siblings and I probably cost the taxpayers money in ESL services and made the schools crowded (since I have 3 other siblings).

Uh... OK.. I forgive you?

Thanks... is it ok for my kids to be in MCPS now that I've paid enough into the tax coffers even though my parents didn't? I, as an immigrant, may have paid more in taxes than some of the people complaining on this board about poor immigrants taking up resources. And no, I don't live in the W clusters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If a huge amount of money goes to poor immigrants (legal and especially illegal) there has to be cuts and a lot of them. You want a better school system, less overcrowding, more money going towards your kids and less towards ESL? You need to fight this influx of immigrants entering Montgomery County. Our local government seems to welcome them with open arms with YOUR taxes and seems to think if you question them, you are a racist. You do all realize, this liberal state plays mind games for these minority votes knowing the middle class has to pay the taxes. We finally got a republican governor. Let's hope MC finally wakes up too.

Yes, we should only let rich legal or illegal immigrants into this country because they don't send their kids to public school and use up precious taxpayer funds. How dare those poor Asian immigrants (legal or illegal) increase test scores and make it harder for the middle class white kids to compete. Those Asian immigrants are taking spots away from the white kids in the GT, magnet, IB, TJ programs. They've made schools too competitive with their high test scores. As taxpayers, we should demand they stop their high achievement because it is making it too hard to compete for middle class white kids.

What do you get when the majority of your immigrants are uneducated, unskilled, undocumented and illiterate in English and their own language?

You get Montgomery County.

Everything else (upside down budget, poorly performing schools, redistributed funds) is to be expected here, in one of the most liberal counties in the country.

A far cry from educated, skilled legal immigrants on work visas/greencards or university-educated here. SE Asians and Asians welcome, perhaps your good study habits and positive values (regardless of income level) will rub off on others.

Most immigrants in MoCo are far from poor.

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Anonymous wrote:The only reason I supported the gambling legislation several years ago was because the funds were supposed to be directed towards schools. Does anyone know what happened to that money? Also, I am surprised to hear tax revenue has gone down w/ the economy slowly improving. Something doesn't sound right.

Montgomery Country has been bleeding out companies like mad for the last few years. Plus they don't know how to make feasible budget forecasts so overestimated everything from property taxes to income taxes to corporate taxes.
Then on the flipside, their spending continues to be out of control.

What's your explanation for the shortfall in Fairfax County?

Poor budget forecasting by Democrats of Fairfax and Montgomery Counties.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If a huge amount of money goes to poor immigrants (legal and especially illegal) there has to be cuts and a lot of them. You want a better school system, less overcrowding, more money going towards your kids and less towards ESL? You need to fight this influx of immigrants entering Montgomery County. Our local government seems to welcome them with open arms with YOUR taxes and seems to think if you question them, you are a racist. You do all realize, this liberal state plays mind games for these minority votes knowing the middle class has to pay the taxes. We finally got a republican governor. Let's hope MC finally wakes up too.

Yes, we should only let rich legal or illegal immigrants into this country because they don't send their kids to public school and use up precious taxpayer funds. How dare those poor Asian immigrants (legal or illegal) increase test scores and make it harder for the middle class white kids to compete. Those Asian immigrants are taking spots away from the white kids in the GT, magnet, IB, TJ programs. They've made schools too competitive with their high test scores. As taxpayers, we should demand they stop their high achievement because it is making it too hard to compete for middle class white kids.

What do you get when the majority of your immigrants are uneducated, unskilled, undocumented and illiterate in English and their own language?

You get Montgomery County.

Everything else (upside down budget, poorly performing schools, redistributed funds) is to be expected here, in one of the most liberal counties in the country.

A far cry from educated, skilled legal immigrants on work visas/greencards or university-educated here. SE Asians and Asians welcome, perhaps your good study habits and positive values (regardless of income level) will rub off on others.

Oh, right, so this is about Hispanics. Why didn't you just say so instead of lumping all immigrants, both legal and illegal.

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What do you get when the majority of your immigrants are uneducated, unskilled, undocumented and illiterate in English and their own language?

You get Montgomery County.

I would love to see where you got the data for this statement.

A third of Montgomery County residents are foreign-born. 18% of residents are Hispanic/Latino (because that's who you're talking about, right?). For your statement to be true, you would have to assume that every Hispanic/Latino resident is an immigrant, and not only an immigrant, but an undocumented, uneducated, illiterate, unskilled immigrant. This assumption is clearly false.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/24/24031.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a huge amount of money goes to poor immigrants (legal and especially illegal) there has to be cuts and a lot of them. You want a better school system, less overcrowding, more money going towards your kids and less towards ESL? You need to fight this influx of immigrants entering Montgomery County. Our local government seems to welcome them with open arms with YOUR taxes and seems to think if you question them, you are a racist. You do all realize, this liberal state plays mind games for these minority votes knowing the middle class has to pay the taxes. We finally got a republican governor. Let's hope MC finally wakes up too.

Yes, we should only let rich legal or illegal immigrants into this country because they don't send their kids to public school and use up precious taxpayer funds. How dare those poor Asian immigrants (legal or illegal) increase test scores and make it harder for the middle class white kids to compete. Those Asian immigrants are taking spots away from the white kids in the GT, magnet, IB, TJ programs. They've made schools too competitive with their high test scores. As taxpayers, we should demand they stop their high achievement because it is making it too hard to compete for middle class white kids.

What do you get when the majority of your immigrants are uneducated, unskilled, undocumented and illiterate in English and their own language?

You get Montgomery County.

Everything else (upside down budget, poorly performing schools, redistributed funds) is to be expected here, in one of the most liberal counties in the country.

A far cry from educated, skilled legal immigrants on work visas/greencards or university-educated here. SE Asians and Asians welcome, perhaps your good study habits and positive values (regardless of income level) will rub off on others.

Oh, right, so this is about Hispanics. Why didn't you just say so instead of lumping all immigrants, both legal and illegal.

NP - where you get that from?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a huge amount of money goes to poor immigrants (legal and especially illegal) there has to be cuts and a lot of them. You want a better school system, less overcrowding, more money going towards your kids and less towards ESL? You need to fight this influx of immigrants entering Montgomery County. Our local government seems to welcome them with open arms with YOUR taxes and seems to think if you question them, you are a racist. You do all realize, this liberal state plays mind games for these minority votes knowing the middle class has to pay the taxes. We finally got a republican governor. Let's hope MC finally wakes up too.

Yes, we should only let rich legal or illegal immigrants into this country because they don't send their kids to public school and use up precious taxpayer funds. How dare those poor Asian immigrants (legal or illegal) increase test scores and make it harder for the middle class white kids to compete. Those Asian immigrants are taking spots away from the white kids in the GT, magnet, IB, TJ programs. They've made schools too competitive with their high test scores. As taxpayers, we should demand they stop their high achievement because it is making it too hard to compete for middle class white kids.

What do you get when the majority of your immigrants are uneducated, unskilled, undocumented and illiterate in English and their own language?

You get Montgomery County.

Everything else (upside down budget, poorly performing schools, redistributed funds) is to be expected here, in one of the most liberal counties in the country.

A far cry from educated, skilled legal immigrants on work visas/greencards or university-educated here. SE Asians and Asians welcome, perhaps your good study habits and positive values (regardless of income level) will rub off on others.

Most immigrants in MoCo are far from poor.

Wrong, most immigrants in MoCo are illegals who are poor.

DC area has a sizeable immigrant population who are here legally, on work visas, are educated, speak English, etc. but their numbers pale in comparison to what east MoCo is dealing with.

Signed, a legal immigrant family who is concerned about MCPS funding/spending and my children's education. And not "poor."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a huge amount of money goes to poor immigrants (legal and especially illegal) there has to be cuts and a lot of them. You want a better school system, less overcrowding, more money going towards your kids and less towards ESL? You need to fight this influx of immigrants entering Montgomery County. Our local government seems to welcome them with open arms with YOUR taxes and seems to think if you question them, you are a racist. You do all realize, this liberal state plays mind games for these minority votes knowing the middle class has to pay the taxes. We finally got a republican governor. Let's hope MC finally wakes up too.

Yes, we should only let rich legal or illegal immigrants into this country because they don't send their kids to public school and use up precious taxpayer funds. How dare those poor Asian immigrants (legal or illegal) increase test scores and make it harder for the middle class white kids to compete. Those Asian immigrants are taking spots away from the white kids in the GT, magnet, IB, TJ programs. They've made schools too competitive with their high test scores. As taxpayers, we should demand they stop their high achievement because it is making it too hard to compete for middle class white kids.

What do you get when the majority of your immigrants are uneducated, unskilled, undocumented and illiterate in English and their own language?

You get Montgomery County.

Everything else (upside down budget, poorly performing schools, redistributed funds) is to be expected here, in one of the most liberal counties in the country.

A far cry from educated, skilled legal immigrants on work visas/greencards or university-educated here. SE Asians and Asians welcome, perhaps your good study habits and positive values (regardless of income level) will rub off on others.

Oh, right, so this is about Hispanics. Why didn't you just say so instead of lumping all immigrants, both legal and illegal.

NP - where you get that from?

Looks clear to me. Undocumented means illegal. Vast majority of illegal aliens in the US are Hispanic. Nothing new here.
Problem is pretty clear at the schools too, trying to absorb significant influxes of said new students.

[Anonymous]

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Wrong, most immigrants in MoCo are illegals who are poor.

DC area has a sizeable immigrant population who are here legally, on work visas, are educated, speak English, etc. but their numbers pale in comparison to what east MoCo is dealing with.

Signed, a legal immigrant family who is concerned about MCPS funding/spending and my children's education. And not "poor."

How do you know this?

[Anonymous]

A lot of talk here about the county spending a lot on educating immigrants. Are there any numbers on how much of the budget is spent on this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a huge amount of money goes to poor immigrants (legal and especially illegal) there has to be cuts and a lot of them. You want a better school system, less overcrowding, more money going towards your kids and less towards ESL? You need to fight this influx of immigrants entering Montgomery County. Our local government seems to welcome them with open arms with YOUR taxes and seems to think if you question them, you are a racist. You do all realize, this liberal state plays mind games for these minority votes knowing the middle class has to pay the taxes. We finally got a republican governor. Let's hope MC finally wakes up too.

Yes, we should only let rich legal or illegal immigrants into this country because they don't send their kids to public school and use up precious taxpayer funds. How dare those poor Asian immigrants (legal or illegal) increase test scores and make it harder for the middle class white kids to compete. Those Asian immigrants are taking spots away from the white kids in the GT, magnet, IB, TJ programs. They've made schools too competitive with their high test scores. As taxpayers, we should demand they stop their high achievement because it is making it too hard to compete for middle class white kids.

What do you get when the majority of your immigrants are uneducated, unskilled, undocumented and illiterate in English and their own language?

You get Montgomery County.

Everything else (upside down budget, poorly performing schools, redistributed funds) is to be expected here, in one of the most liberal counties in the country.

A far cry from educated, skilled legal immigrants on work visas/greencards or university-educated here. SE Asians and Asians welcome, perhaps your good study habits and positive values (regardless of income level) will rub off on others.

Most immigrants in MoCo are far from poor.

Wrong, most immigrants in MoCo are illegals who are poor.

DC area has a sizeable immigrant population who are here legally, on work visas, are educated, speak English, etc. but their numbers pale in comparison to what east MoCo is dealing with.

Signed, a legal immigrant family who is concerned about MCPS funding/spending and my children's education. And not "poor."

Lol No They aren't. Not by a long shot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of talk here about the county spending a lot on educating immigrants. Are there any numbers on how much of the budget is spent on this?

When people talk here about educating immigrants, what they mostly mean is educating the children of immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:let's look at it this way, the population of the county is at an all time high, the school enrolment is at an all time high yet the county isn;t bringing in as much tax revenue as expected. I wonder why??????

Look at how much the County Executive has cut from the budget the past 10 years, this should not be happening but it is because of the haven that has been created in the county.

Fairfax County also projects a budget shortfall. What's your explanation for that?

same thing, a lot fo free loaders who live in group housing and do not pay taxes.

Aren't schools funded by property tax? If so, then what about all the citizens that live in apartments? They don't pay any property tax, either. So, apt. dwellers shouldn't be allowed to send their kids to public school. So, this is a class issue.

OK, I will confess... I am an immigrant. My parents didn't speak English when we came here, and my siblings had ESL services. We also lived in a 1 br apartment for a while for the 6 of us. I'm so sorry we took advantage of the public schools here, even though now, my siblings and I pay A LOT in taxes, both in property (8K) and income tax (I think one of my tax bill was about 80K one year). When we lived in those apartments, my parents probably payed very little income tax (because they had menial, low paying jobs). So again, I apologize for coming to this country, using up services, and also eventually contributing to the tax base. My siblings and I probably cost the taxpayers money in ESL services and made the schools crowded (since I have 3 other siblings).

Ok - And your parents came with a good work ethic and probably scared the shit out of you to perform and stay on the right path.

This is NOT the case for many of our students - immigrants AND first generation. (I am first generation.) These kids are left on their own b/c their parents are working 2 jobs and no one is around to watch them. So they end up in what we consider "gangs" (def. not LA/NY crew by any stretch, however). They skip school. They're pulled out of school to translate, to babysit. Many have kids of their own.

I could go on and on.

So before you pour out your bleeding heart again, consider these:
- What are YOU doing to help out immigrants? (And you may be very active on this front - don't know.)
- Take a day out of your schedule to tour a low-performing, high-FARMs/ESOL school to see what it's really like. I think you'd be appalled, especially at the high school level.

different generation, different values, VERY low skills, no work ethic

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Ok - And your parents came with a good work ethic and probably scared the shit out of you to perform and stay on the right path.

This is NOT the case for many of our students - immigrants AND first generation. (I am first generation.) These kids are left on their own b/c their parents are working 2 jobs and no one is around to watch them. So they end up in what we consider "gangs" (def. not LA/NY crew by any stretch, however). They skip school. They're pulled out of school to translate, to babysit. Many have kids of their own.

I could go on and on.

So before you pour out your bleeding heart again, consider these:
- What are YOU doing to help out immigrants? (And you may be very active on this front - don't know.)
- Take a day out of your schedule to tour a low-performing, high-FARMs/ESOL school to see what it's really like. I think you'd be appalled, especially at the high school level.

different generation, different values, VERY low skills, no work ethic

It seems to me that people who are working all the time at two jobs have a good work ethic. Children who are pulled out of school to translate and to babysit are also working.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Ok - And your parents came with a good work ethic and probably scared the shit out of you to perform and stay on the right path.

This is NOT the case for many of our students - immigrants AND first generation. (I am first generation.) These kids are left on their own b/c their parents are working 2 jobs and no one is around to watch them. So they end up in what we consider "gangs" (def. not LA/NY crew by any stretch, however). They skip school. They're pulled out of school to translate, to babysit. Many have kids of their own.

I could go on and on.

So before you pour out your bleeding heart again, consider these:
- What are YOU doing to help out immigrants? (And you may be very active on this front - don't know.)
- Take a day out of your schedule to tour a low-performing, high-FARMs/ESOL school to see what it's really like. I think you'd be appalled, especially at the high school level.

different generation, different values, VERY low skills, no work ethic

It seems to me that people who are working all the time at two jobs have a good work ethic. Children who are pulled out of school to translate and to babysit are also working.

not talking about their parents, hon

And no, kids translating for parents is NOT work. Try to teach a kid how to write when he's absent 3 out of 5 days.

Don't be such a moron, although I know that may be difficult for you.