Father of 8 explains why he's not saving for college

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Anonymous wrote:A Liberal Arts degree is completely useless. I won't pay for that either. Judge away.

DH, a partner in a large law firm, majored in history. A close friend, highly regarded doctor at one of the best hospitals in the country, majored in philosophy.

On the other hand, my brother who went to a highly regarded business school is unemployed.

So why didn't they stick with history or philosophy? Obviously, they realized the need to change course and were fortunate that they could.

Obviously, you did not benefit from an elite undergraduate institution. If you had, you would not be making such ignorant statements.

As for the dad of 8 and the non-college educated successful entrepreneurs, they would benefit from a stats course. Anecdotes are not the same as data sets. Statistically, you are much more likely to live a middle class life, own property, save for retirement, and live longer IF you graduate from college. People who think that college is a waste of money do not understand that getting a degree is not just about the acquisition of information, it is about long-term commitment, group skills, networking, and exposure to multiple world views.

Do you have stats on CC to a state school vs a private SLAC vs working then going to college?

I just think that it is a big waste to get a history degree at an expensive private college. Do you think a history degree from and elite institution will give somebody a better quality if life that engineering from MD?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Liberal Arts degree is completely useless. I won't pay for that either. Judge away.

DH, a partner in a large law firm, majored in history. A close friend, highly regarded doctor at one of the best hospitals in the country, majored in philosophy.

On the other hand, my brother who went to a highly regarded business school is unemployed.

So why didn't they stick with history or philosophy? Obviously, they realized the need to change course and were fortunate that they could.

There was no course change. They learned research, critical thinking, phenomenal writing skills. They learned how to think at a very high level. Good skills for lawyers and doctors to have.

I don't think you understand what actually goes on in a liberal arts school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Liberal Arts degree is completely useless. I won't pay for that either. Judge away.

DH, a partner in a large law firm, majored in history. A close friend, highly regarded doctor at one of the best hospitals in the country, majored in philosophy.

On the other hand, my brother who went to a highly regarded business school is unemployed.

So why didn't they stick with history or philosophy? Obviously, they realized the need to change course and were fortunate that they could.

Obviously, you did not benefit from an elite undergraduate institution. If you had, you would not be making such ignorant statements.

As for the dad of 8 and the non-college educated successful entrepreneurs, they would benefit from a stats course. Anecdotes are not the same as data sets. Statistically, you are much more likely to live a middle class life, own property, save for retirement, and live longer IF you graduate from college. People who think that college is a waste of money do not understand that getting a degree is not just about the acquisition of information, it is about long-term commitment, group skills, networking, and exposure to multiple world views.

Do you have stats on CC to a state school vs a private SLAC vs working then going to college?

I just think that it is a big waste to get a history degree at an expensive private college. Do you think a history degree from and elite institution will give somebody a better quality if life that engineering from MD?

Yes, if they don't want to be an engineer. And thats the point. Engineering degrees are great for engineers but we can't have a world of only engineers. We also need people who can think analytically, research, write for a whole variety of jobs.

To put it another way, if someone forced me into engineering school, I would have a terrible quality of life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Liberal Arts degree is completely useless. I won't pay for that either. Judge away.

DH, a partner in a large law firm, majored in history. A close friend, highly regarded doctor at one of the best hospitals in the country, majored in philosophy.

On the other hand, my brother who went to a highly regarded business school is unemployed.

So why didn't they stick with history or philosophy? Obviously, they realized the need to change course and were fortunate that they could.

Obviously, you did not benefit from an elite undergraduate institution. If you had, you would not be making such ignorant statements.

As for the dad of 8 and the non-college educated successful entrepreneurs, they would benefit from a stats course. Anecdotes are not the same as data sets. Statistically, you are much more likely to live a middle class life, own property, save for retirement, and live longer IF you graduate from college. People who think that college is a waste of money do not understand that getting a degree is not just about the acquisition of information, it is about long-term commitment, group skills, networking, and exposure to multiple world views.

Do you have stats on CC to a state school vs a private SLAC vs working then going to college?

I just think that it is a big waste to get a history degree at an expensive private college. Do you think a history degree from and elite institution will give somebody a better quality if life that engineering from MD?

Yes, if they don't want to be an engineer. And thats the point. Engineering degrees are great for engineers but we can't have a world of only engineers. We also need people who can think analytically, research, write for a whole variety of jobs.

To put it another way, if someone forced me into engineering school, I would have a terrible quality of life.

But you WANT to be a lawyer? Really? Lawyers are not analytical, engineers are. They power through, memorize stuff and have miserable jobs for money. That is a terrible "quality of life".

You are rewriting history to fit your idea of what happened. You were not good at much.. But you could read/memorize/take tests, you ended up in English/history for the lack of anything better to do and had to get an advanced degree to make it all worthwhile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Liberal Arts degree is completely useless. I won't pay for that either. Judge away.

DH, a partner in a large law firm, majored in history. A close friend, highly regarded doctor at one of the best hospitals in the country, majored in philosophy.

On the other hand, my brother who went to a highly regarded business school is unemployed.

So why didn't they stick with history or philosophy? Obviously, they realized the need to change course and were fortunate that they could.

Obviously, you did not benefit from an elite undergraduate institution. If you had, you would not be making such ignorant statements.

As for the dad of 8 and the non-college educated successful entrepreneurs, they would benefit from a stats course. Anecdotes are not the same as data sets. Statistically, you are much more likely to live a middle class life, own property, save for retirement, and live longer IF you graduate from college. People who think that college is a waste of money do not understand that getting a degree is not just about the acquisition of information, it is about long-term commitment, group skills, networking, and exposure to multiple world views.

Do you have stats on CC to a state school vs a private SLAC vs working then going to college?

I just think that it is a big waste to get a history degree at an expensive private college. Do you think a history degree from and elite institution will give somebody a better quality if life that engineering from MD?

Yes, if they don't want to be an engineer. And thats the point. Engineering degrees are great for engineers but we can't have a world of only engineers. We also need people who can think analytically, research, write for a whole variety of jobs.

To put it another way, if someone forced me into engineering school, I would have a terrible quality of life.

But you WANT to be a lawyer? Really? Lawyers are not analytical, engineers are. They power through, memorize stuff and have miserable jobs for money. That is a terrible "quality of life".

You are rewriting history to fit your idea of what happened. You were not good at much.. But you could read/memorize/take tests, you ended up in English/history for the lack of anything better to do and had to get an advanced degree to make it all worthwhile.

I went to a top Ivy, where memorization will get you nowhere. I wrote a major senior thesis. I have no idea why you think lawyers are not analytical. Have you ever read an appellate brief? Have you ever argued in court? Memorization gets you nowhere. And . . . I have worked in public interest jobs that paid very little but I loved the work. I am also a published writer. And, yes, I wanted to be a lawyer.

You are just getting silly now and I think you are a troll. You can't imagine that someone with a humanities degree is actually happy? And your imagination is so limited you have no idea what anyone who isn't an engineer does for a living. Really, this is exhibit A for why getting the engineering degree doesn't teach you how to think.

[Anonymous]

Fathering eight children is disgusting and irresponsible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Liberal Arts degree is completely useless. I won't pay for that either. Judge away.

DH, a partner in a large law firm, majored in history. A close friend, highly regarded doctor at one of the best hospitals in the country, majored in philosophy.

On the other hand, my brother who went to a highly regarded business school is unemployed.

So why didn't they stick with history or philosophy? Obviously, they realized the need to change course and were fortunate that they could.

Obviously, you did not benefit from an elite undergraduate institution. If you had, you would not be making such ignorant statements.

As for the dad of 8 and the non-college educated successful entrepreneurs, they would benefit from a stats course. Anecdotes are not the same as data sets. Statistically, you are much more likely to live a middle class life, own property, save for retirement, and live longer IF you graduate from college. People who think that college is a waste of money do not understand that getting a degree is not just about the acquisition of information, it is about long-term commitment, group skills, networking, and exposure to multiple world views.

Do you have stats on CC to a state school vs a private SLAC vs working then going to college?

I just think that it is a big waste to get a history degree at an expensive private college. Do you think a history degree from and elite institution will give somebody a better quality if life that engineering from MD?

Yes, if they don't want to be an engineer. And thats the point. Engineering degrees are great for engineers but we can't have a world of only engineers. We also need people who can think analytically, research, write for a whole variety of jobs.

To put it another way, if someone forced me into engineering school, I would have a terrible quality of life.

But you WANT to be a lawyer? Really? Lawyers are not analytical, engineers are. They power through, memorize stuff and have miserable jobs for money. That is a terrible "quality of life".

You are rewriting history to fit your idea of what happened. You were not good at much.. But you could read/memorize/take tests, you ended up in English/history for the lack of anything better to do and had to get an advanced degree to make it all worthwhile.

I went to a top Ivy, where memorization will get you nowhere. I wrote a major senior thesis. I have no idea why you think lawyers are not analytical. Have you ever read an appellate brief? Have you ever argued in court? Memorization gets you nowhere. And . . . I have worked in public interest jobs that paid very little but I loved the work. I am also a published writer. And, yes, I wanted to be a lawyer.

You are just getting silly now and I think you are a troll. You can't imagine that someone with a humanities degree is actually happy? And your imagination is so limited you have no idea what anyone who isn't an engineer does for a living. Really, this is exhibit A for why getting the engineering degree doesn't teach you how to think.

I doubt you went to a "top Ivy" if you have no clue that getting a mediocre degrees is historically leaving kids with huge loans with no job prospects. Actually, I don't doubt you went to a "top Ivy"... the interns from "top Ivy" schools are miserable, know it all prima donnas that can't follow instruction and believe what they have to say is more important that what they have to learn... kind of like your comments on this thread.

Being published is so easy to do, I started "being published" when I was 24... big deal, think and original though, write about it. I deal with lawyers all the time, they do very little work ... they would fall apart without their underlings who do all their research, writing and analysis. They walk into court with less than 24 hours worth of being briefed on their cases and usually blow it, luckily their clients don't know how badly they performed. They think their jobs are so "stressful" ... I think every lawyer who thinks their job is "so stressful" should volunteer in the neurology department of Children's Hospital.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Liberal Arts degree is completely useless. I won't pay for that either. Judge away.

DH, a partner in a large law firm, majored in history. A close friend, highly regarded doctor at one of the best hospitals in the country, majored in philosophy.

On the other hand, my brother who went to a highly regarded business school is unemployed.

So why didn't they stick with history or philosophy? Obviously, they realized the need to change course and were fortunate that they could.

Obviously, you did not benefit from an elite undergraduate institution. If you had, you would not be making such ignorant statements.

As for the dad of 8 and the non-college educated successful entrepreneurs, they would benefit from a stats course. Anecdotes are not the same as data sets. Statistically, you are much more likely to live a middle class life, own property, save for retirement, and live longer IF you graduate from college. People who think that college is a waste of money do not understand that getting a degree is not just about the acquisition of information, it is about long-term commitment, group skills, networking, and exposure to multiple world views.

Ignorant? Is this all you can muster in terms of critical thinking? Your "elite" education was wasted on you, I'm afraid...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Liberal Arts degree is completely useless. I won't pay for that either. Judge away.

DH, a partner in a large law firm, majored in history. A close friend, highly regarded doctor at one of the best hospitals in the country, majored in philosophy.

On the other hand, my brother who went to a highly regarded business school is unemployed.

So why didn't they stick with history or philosophy? Obviously, they realized the need to change course and were fortunate that they could.

There was no course change. They learned research, critical thinking, phenomenal writing skills. They learned how to think at a very high level. Good skills for lawyers and doctors to have.

I don't think you understand what actually goes on in a liberal arts school.

I have two degrees in Liberal Arts. What do you mean by "thinking at a high level"? Math and science majors learn research and acquire writing skills exactly the same way historians do. You are aware that English 101 offered at a particular school is the same for all students, aren't you?