SAT Scores in FCPS

[Anonymous]

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Thomas Jefferson 724 766 729 2219

Langley High 620 635 610 1865
McLean High 606 620 593 1819
Oakton High 595 618 590 1803
Woodson High 596 614 588 1798

Madison High 598 605 585 1788
Marshall High 587 596 591 1774
Chantilly High 566 590 554 1710

Herndon High 567 575 554 1696
Lake Braddock 563 577 553 1693
Westfield High 560 580 544 1684
Robinson Secondary 558 575 549 1682
South Lakes 562 567 547 1676
West Springfield 565 566 544 1675

Centreville High 548 568 542 1658
South County 552 560 539 1651
Fairfax High 544 561 531 1636
West Potomac 536 535 529 1600
Hayfield Secondary 525 516 509 1550
Falls Church 517 538 494 1549
Annandale High 501 527 497 1525

Edison High 505 514 497 1516
Lee High 502 517 493 1512
Stuart High 492 511 488 1491
Mount Vernon 492 495 470 1457

FCPS 566 580 556 1702

Would love to see a graphing of the SES against this data. Seems like the schools with the greatest diversity have the lowest scores... so gosh, is it really a feather in Langley's hat (or schools with other "top" SAT averages) if they have almost no SES diversity? I mean, it's not like you're comparing apples to apples if you are comparing one school that is 90% white and 98% not FARMs with another school that is 35% white and 60% not FARMS. Are we all supposed to applaud that the first school has a higher average SAT score? Given national achievement gaps on the SATs, it's no surprise that the higher-income school with few minorities (not specifically referencing Langley here) has higher scores than schools with more low income kids and/or minority kids.

the high performing schools have every right to be proud b/c their scores are great -- but it's not a fair comparison when looking at dissimilar schools in FCPS.

Don't you think TJ is pretty well diversified?

Actually, TJ is arguably the most diversified school since this school has kids/parents from all parts of the world including Africa, Caribbean, Far East Asia, Europe, Middle East, Central Asia as well as Hispanics and few other areas. Langley and McLean I think are overwhelmingly white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These scores are only part of the picture. An increasing number of students are opting to take the ACT instead of the SAT.

The kids who take the ACT are the ones who do poorly on the SAT. Arguably, by focusing only on the SAT, the scores are artificially inflated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These scores are only part of the picture. An increasing number of students are opting to take the ACT instead of the SAT.

The kids who take the ACT are the ones who do poorly on the SAT. Arguably, by focusing only on the SAT, the scores are artificially inflated.

ACT is not even considered to be legitimate college aptitude test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These scores are only part of the picture. An increasing number of students are opting to take the ACT instead of the SAT.

The kids who take the ACT are the ones who do poorly on the SAT. Arguably, by focusing only on the SAT, the scores are artificially inflated.

ACT is not even considered to be legitimate college aptitude test.

I think an employee of the College Board has infiltrated this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Reading Math Writing
Thomas Jefferson 724 766 729 2219

Langley High 620 635 610 1865
McLean High 606 620 593 1819
Oakton High 595 618 590 1803
Woodson High 596 614 588 1798

Madison High 598 605 585 1788
Marshall High 587 596 591 1774
Chantilly High 566 590 554 1710

Herndon High 567 575 554 1696
Lake Braddock 563 577 553 1693
Westfield High 560 580 544 1684
Robinson Secondary 558 575 549 1682
South Lakes 562 567 547 1676
West Springfield 565 566 544 1675

Centreville High 548 568 542 1658
South County 552 560 539 1651
Fairfax High 544 561 531 1636
West Potomac 536 535 529 1600
Hayfield Secondary 525 516 509 1550
Falls Church 517 538 494 1549
Annandale High 501 527 497 1525

Edison High 505 514 497 1516
Lee High 502 517 493 1512
Stuart High 492 511 488 1491
Mount Vernon 492 495 470 1457

FCPS 566 580 556 1702

Would love to see a graphing of the SES against this data. Seems like the schools with the greatest diversity have the lowest scores... so gosh, is it really a feather in Langley's hat (or schools with other "top" SAT averages) if they have almost no SES diversity? I mean, it's not like you're comparing apples to apples if you are comparing one school that is 90% white and 98% not FARMs with another school that is 35% white and 60% not FARMS. Are we all supposed to applaud that the first school has a higher average SAT score? Given national achievement gaps on the SATs, it's no surprise that the higher-income school with few minorities (not specifically referencing Langley here) has higher scores than schools with more low income kids and/or minority kids.

the high performing schools have every right to be proud b/c their scores are great -- but it's not a fair comparison when looking at dissimilar schools in FCPS.

Don't you think TJ is pretty well diversified?

Actually, TJ is arguably the most diversified school since this school has kids/parents from all parts of the world including Africa, Caribbean, Far East Asia, Europe, Middle East, Central Asia as well as Hispanics and few other areas. Langley and McLean I think are overwhelmingly white.

Actually, no. TJ already has more Asian students than McLean has white students, and soon will have more Asian students than Langley has white students as well. Just as the term "Asian" includes students from many different countries and backgrounds, so too does "White" in Fairfax County, where it includes, for example, many students from the Middle East and Europe.

And there are very few Hispanics and AA students at TJ compared to any other HS in FCPS, except perhaps Langley.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These scores are only part of the picture. An increasing number of students are opting to take the ACT instead of the SAT.

The kids who take the ACT are the ones who do poorly on the SAT. Arguably, by focusing only on the SAT, the scores are artificially inflated.

If kids who take the ACT did poorly on the SATs, that will be reflected in the reported SAT scores. If anything, the option of taking the ACT deflates the reported SAT scores, because students who otherwise might take the SAT and score higher the next time around take the ACT instead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Reading Math Writing
Thomas Jefferson 724 766 729 2219

Langley High 620 635 610 1865
McLean High 606 620 593 1819
Oakton High 595 618 590 1803
Woodson High 596 614 588 1798

Madison High 598 605 585 1788
Marshall High 587 596 591 1774
Chantilly High 566 590 554 1710

Herndon High 567 575 554 1696
Lake Braddock 563 577 553 1693
Westfield High 560 580 544 1684
Robinson Secondary 558 575 549 1682
South Lakes 562 567 547 1676
West Springfield 565 566 544 1675

Centreville High 548 568 542 1658
South County 552 560 539 1651
Fairfax High 544 561 531 1636
West Potomac 536 535 529 1600
Hayfield Secondary 525 516 509 1550
Falls Church 517 538 494 1549
Annandale High 501 527 497 1525

Edison High 505 514 497 1516
Lee High 502 517 493 1512
Stuart High 492 511 488 1491
Mount Vernon 492 495 470 1457

FCPS 566 580 556 1702

Would love to see a graphing of the SES against this data. Seems like the schools with the greatest diversity have the lowest scores... so gosh, is it really a feather in Langley's hat (or schools with other "top" SAT averages) if they have almost no SES diversity? I mean, it's not like you're comparing apples to apples if you are comparing one school that is 90% white and 98% not FARMs with another school that is 35% white and 60% not FARMS. Are we all supposed to applaud that the first school has a higher average SAT score? Given national achievement gaps on the SATs, it's no surprise that the higher-income school with few minorities (not specifically referencing Langley here) has higher scores than schools with more low income kids and/or minority kids.

the high performing schools have every right to be proud b/c their scores are great -- but it's not a fair comparison when looking at dissimilar schools in FCPS.

Don't you think TJ is pretty well diversified?

Actually, TJ is arguably the most diversified school since this school has kids/parents from all parts of the world including Africa, Caribbean, Far East Asia, Europe, Middle East, Central Asia as well as Hispanics and few other areas. Langley and McLean I think are overwhelmingly white.

Actually, no. TJ already has more Asian students than McLean has white students, and soon will have more Asian students than Langley has white students as well. Just as the term "Asian" includes students from many different countries and backgrounds, so too does "White" in Fairfax County, where it includes, for example, many students from the Middle East and Europe.

And there are very few Hispanics and AA students at TJ compared to any other HS in FCPS, except perhaps Langley.

I thought one measures how diverse a given school is by looking at the % of non-white students including Asian students since Asians are a minority group?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Reading Math Writing
Thomas Jefferson 724 766 729 2219

Langley High 620 635 610 1865
McLean High 606 620 593 1819
Oakton High 595 618 590 1803
Woodson High 596 614 588 1798

Madison High 598 605 585 1788
Marshall High 587 596 591 1774
Chantilly High 566 590 554 1710

Herndon High 567 575 554 1696
Lake Braddock 563 577 553 1693
Westfield High 560 580 544 1684
Robinson Secondary 558 575 549 1682
South Lakes 562 567 547 1676
West Springfield 565 566 544 1675

Centreville High 548 568 542 1658
South County 552 560 539 1651
Fairfax High 544 561 531 1636
West Potomac 536 535 529 1600
Hayfield Secondary 525 516 509 1550
Falls Church 517 538 494 1549
Annandale High 501 527 497 1525

Edison High 505 514 497 1516
Lee High 502 517 493 1512
Stuart High 492 511 488 1491
Mount Vernon 492 495 470 1457

FCPS 566 580 556 1702

Would love to see a graphing of the SES against this data. Seems like the schools with the greatest diversity have the lowest scores... so gosh, is it really a feather in Langley's hat (or schools with other "top" SAT averages) if they have almost no SES diversity? I mean, it's not like you're comparing apples to apples if you are comparing one school that is 90% white and 98% not FARMs with another school that is 35% white and 60% not FARMS. Are we all supposed to applaud that the first school has a higher average SAT score? Given national achievement gaps on the SATs, it's no surprise that the higher-income school with few minorities (not specifically referencing Langley here) has higher scores than schools with more low income kids and/or minority kids.

the high performing schools have every right to be proud b/c their scores are great -- but it's not a fair comparison when looking at dissimilar schools in FCPS.

Don't you think TJ is pretty well diversified?

Actually, TJ is arguably the most diversified school since this school has kids/parents from all parts of the world including Africa, Caribbean, Far East Asia, Europe, Middle East, Central Asia as well as Hispanics and few other areas. Langley and McLean I think are overwhelmingly white.

Actually, no. TJ already has more Asian students than McLean has white students, and soon will have more Asian students than Langley has white students as well. Just as the term "Asian" includes students from many different countries and backgrounds, so too does "White" in Fairfax County, where it includes, for example, many students from the Middle East and Europe.

And there are very few Hispanics and AA students at TJ compared to any other HS in FCPS, except perhaps Langley.

I thought one measures how diverse a given school is by looking at the % of non-white students including Asian students since Asians are a minority group?

Asians are counted as minority group only if it's convenient for whites to do so.

[Anonymous]

By that standard schools in DC and PG that are 95% AA are more diverse than schools with equal numbers of whites, blacks, Hispanics and Asians. If you say so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By that standard schools in DC and PG that are 95% AA are more diverse than schools with equal numbers of whites, blacks, Hispanics and Asians. If you say so.

Actually, any 8th grader from fairfax, Loudoun, Arlington, Prince William and Falls Church (whether from expensive areas or not so expensive areas) may apply to attend TJ but you have to live in certain designated areas to attend Langley and McLean so TJ is more of an equal opportunity place as long as the applicant is qualified. You will almost never get equal number of Asians, blacks, Hispanics and whites at a given school. So, TJ is more equal opportunity/diverse than Langley or McLean. You and your neighbors can move to PG county and contribute to their school diversity if that's what you want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:By that standard schools in DC and PG that are 95% AA are more diverse than schools with equal numbers of whites, blacks, Hispanics and Asians. If you say so.

Actually, any 8th grader from fairfax, Loudoun, Arlington, Prince William and Falls Church (whether from expensive areas or not so expensive areas) may apply to attend TJ but you have to live in certain designated areas to attend Langley and McLean so TJ is more of an equal opportunity place as long as the applicant is qualified. You will almost never get equal number of Asians, blacks, Hispanics and whites at a given school. So, TJ is more equal opportunity/diverse than Langley or McLean. You and your neighbors can move to PG county and contribute to their school diversity if that's what you want.

People look at TJ based on who ends up there, not who theoretically can apply to the school and get turned away. With less than five percent black and Hispanic students combined, TJ clearly is one of these least diverse schools in the county, and it's only getting less diverse. You think that's fine, so own it and stop with the specious babble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By that standard schools in DC and PG that are 95% AA are more diverse than schools with equal numbers of whites, blacks, Hispanics and Asians. If you say so.

Actually the bureaucrats really do think like that......