Conference called for red flags

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All the children are supposed to be writing answers in math these days. Not just the AAP kids. Part of the common core trend. Envision Math has a lot of explain your answer questions.

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Anonymous wrote:At our school there's a group of LLIII kids who get taught advanced spelling, reading and/or math during the day who are not in AAP. Is this not happening at other schools?

Not at our school.

Not in our school either..

Are the centers not giving the LLIII and LLII kids advanced work? Our school is a LLIV school with a full APP classroom, yet still gives a lot of enrichment to the general ed children.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I don't know how a kid who is an average reader and "sucks" at writing got into AAP.

Dyslexia/dysgraphia?

I don't know about OP's kid, but my kid hates writing b/c he self-censors. He is truly stymied by the open-endedness of creative writing. He likes the linear fashion of math where there is a "right answer" that he is seeking. With writing, there is usually not a "right answer" and he is overwhelmed by that. He thinks he can't do writing... and part of it may be an attention deficit issue. He can't focus on the empty page and lack of structure.

My DD (ADHD combined type) has similar issues. We checked out the book Letting Go of Perfect out of the library -- has some good tips for "perfection-seeking" kids.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7670834-letting-go-of-perfect

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Anonymous wrote:At our school there's a group of LLIII kids who get taught advanced spelling, reading and/or math during the day who are not in AAP. Is this not happening at other schools?

Not at our school.

Not in our school either..

Are the centers not giving the LLIII and LLII kids advanced work? Our school is a LLIV school with a full APP classroom, yet still gives a lot of enrichment to the general ed children.

It depends on the school/center. Some do a good job. Some do next to nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Only two weeks into school and already received a conference with teacher for "seeing some red flags with DD reading and writing and would like to discuss concerns and come up with solutions." She's never been a strong reader, but average at worst. Her writing does truly suck. Either they're really on top of things and want to help (great) or he's gonna get booted (not so great). Don't know why I'm so nervous and imagining the worst. Anyone else BTDT?

She may be seeing signs of LD, if she hints at it, formally ask for an evaluation. (Read up in wrightslaw.com for more information about how to request one) This is not a reason to remove her from AAP, there are children with LDs in AAP.

Good info. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:If she not a strong reader and can't write why is she in AAP?

wisc with appeal?

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Anonymous wrote:To the OP:

I think you're wise to see the red flags. The teacher's comments are only part of the picture -- as you yourself know that your child is an average to good reader, and "sucks" at writing. Honestly, I don't know how a kid who is an average reader and "sucks" at writing got into AAP. That seems like a major system breakdown to me (and I'm not trying to take a slap at you or your child). Did he/she get in on appeal? What kind of scores did he/she get?

The other poster was correct: Once your child is found eligible for Level IV services, they don't take that away. He/she will "stay" in AAP. But honestly, it sounds like your child may be better suited to Level III services (i.e., general education in language arts, and pull outs for AAP math).

My suspicion is that the teacher will outline her concerns, and give you a sense of what it will take for your child to be successful in AAP-level language arts. She may just give you the information and make your choice, or she may recommend that you voluntarily withdraw your child from AAP. Whatever she says, I hope you will listen. It may be that she is merely identifying that your child is behind a little in language arts, and needs some extra work to catch up. Or it might be that she says, "in order to succeed in this class, your child will need 2 hours of reading/writing work every night-- ask yourself if you really want to do that."

There is one child in my oldest's AAP class, who just simply doesn't belong there. He is a nice, lovely kid. But he is significantly behind in all subject areas. He survived 3rd grade, and now is in 4th -- and I just have to wonder if his parents realize what is going on. They may see an AAP kid. I see a kid who is getting his self-confidence wrecked. I think it is going to have a terrible toll on him some day.

AAP is not the be-all end-all. And the selection process if flawed. Take your teacher's comments seriously, but you as the parent get to make the final choice.

Thanks. OP here. He tested in 99 percentile (no studying), probably based on his logic and math. His verbal skills are exemplary. It's clear that he's a capable writer when he takes his time, but it takes FOREVER.

[Anonymous]

OP here again. Now wondering if we have some ADHD or dysgraphia?

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Anonymous wrote:To the OP:

I think you're wise to see the red flags. The teacher's comments are only part of the picture -- as you yourself know that your child is an average to good reader, and "sucks" at writing. Honestly, I don't know how a kid who is an average reader and "sucks" at writing got into AAP. That seems like a major system breakdown to me (and I'm not trying to take a slap at you or your child). Did he/she get in on appeal? What kind of scores did he/she get?

The other poster was correct: Once your child is found eligible for Level IV services, they don't take that away. He/she will "stay" in AAP. But honestly, it sounds like your child may be better suited to Level III services (i.e., general education in language arts, and pull outs for AAP math).

My suspicion is that the teacher will outline her concerns, and give you a sense of what it will take for your child to be successful in AAP-level language arts. She may just give you the information and make your choice, or she may recommend that you voluntarily withdraw your child from AAP. Whatever she says, I hope you will listen. It may be that she is merely identifying that your child is behind a little in language arts, and needs some extra work to catch up. Or it might be that she says, "in order to succeed in this class, your child will need 2 hours of reading/writing work every night-- ask yourself if you really want to do that."

There is one child in my oldest's AAP class, who just simply doesn't belong there. He is a nice, lovely kid. But he is significantly behind in all subject areas. He survived 3rd grade, and now is in 4th -- and I just have to wonder if his parents realize what is going on. They may see an AAP kid. I see a kid who is getting his self-confidence wrecked. I think it is going to have a terrible toll on him some day.

AAP is not the be-all end-all. And the selection process if flawed. Take your teacher's comments seriously, but you as the parent get to make the final choice.

Thanks. OP here. He tested in 99 percentile (no studying), probably based on his logic and math. His verbal skills are exemplary. It's clear that he's a capable writer when he takes his time, but it takes FOREVER.

High verbal scores but decreased ability to read is a hallmark of dyslexia. My child has dyslexia and dysgraphia. We waited too long to test because the school assured is he was fine (meeting benchmarks). If you have concerns, get an evaluation ASAP

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Anonymous wrote:If she not a strong reader and can't write why is she in AAP?

Reading and printing are not highly correlated to intelligence. A child could have LDs and a high intelligence and thus be eligible for AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:All the children are supposed to be writing answers in math these days. Not just the AAP kids. Part of the common core trend. Envision Math has a lot of explain your answer questions.

Common Core is not in Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At our school there's a group of LLIII kids who get taught advanced spelling, reading and/or math during the day who are not in AAP. Is this not happening at other schools?

Not at our school.

Not in our school either..

Are the centers not giving the LLIII and LLII kids advanced work? Our school is a LLIV school with a full APP classroom, yet still gives a lot of enrichment to the general ed children.

It depends on the school/center. Some do a good job. Some do next to nothing.

Our school (that does not do this) is not a center- local level IV.

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Thanks. OP here. He tested in 99 percentile (no studying), probably based on his logic and math. His verbal skills are exemplary. It's clear that he's a capable writer when he takes his time, but it takes FOREVER.

High verbal scores but decreased ability to read is a hallmark of dyslexia. My child has dyslexia and dysgraphia. We waited too long to test because the school assured is he was fine (meeting benchmarks). If you have concerns, get an evaluation ASAP

OP -- please read this excellent advice! PP is absolutely correct.

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Anonymous wrote:All the children are supposed to be writing answers in math these days. Not just the AAP kids. Part of the common core trend. Envision Math has a lot of explain your answer questions.

HATE that.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At our school there's a group of LLIII kids who get taught advanced spelling, reading and/or math during the day who are not in AAP. Is this not happening at other schools?

Not at our school.

Not in our school either..

Are the centers not giving the LLIII and LLII kids advanced work? Our school is a LLIV school with a full APP classroom, yet still gives a lot of enrichment to the general ed children.

It depends on the school/center. Some do a good job. Some do next to nothing.

Our school (that does not do this) is not a center- local level IV.

Our school is a center and the only enrichment offered to non-AAP kids is advanced math. That's it.