Neonatal circumcision: benefits exceed risks by at least 100 to 1

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Anonymous wrote:It's not just about weighing benefits vs. risks. It's also about looking at the bigger picture: avoiding diseases that your circumcised child could still very easily contract vs. subjecting your child (who is unable to consent or voice an opinion) to unnecessary surgery.

People without foreskins are still at risk to some degree. People with foreskins can choose to cut them off when they become consenting adults. What cannot happen, however, is your child regaining the piece of skin you erroneously had removed from his body, both putting him at an unnecessary risk of infection/surgical complications and removing the most sensitive part of the penis.

I have never been with a guy who wishes their parents didn't have them circumcised. I mean seriously have you ever met a guy who wants to regain his foreskin, I did meet a guy who wished his parents had him circumcised when he was a baby. He said he has had several infections but does not have the money and is too scared to get it done as an adult.

I haven't seen a single boy my DS's age who is circumcised, and we've had our fair share of play dates and I helped out in preschool for years. So my guess is pretty soon circumcised men may indeed wish they weren't.

They used to pertty routinely take out tonsils too. It was a fad.

Well they are now doing it again but at older ages. Tonsils are useless and everyone born around the 80s has to deal with tonsil stones and nasty breath.

Tonsils are not useless. They think they may be used to catch germs on the way down -- which is why they can get infected. It's like removing the screen because too many bugs get on it -- then they just come right in! And they remove them at older ages now because children can grow into their tonsils, so what was a problem with swollen tonsils at a young age (when they used to be routinely removed) can become a non-issue.

Most people do not have tonsil stones. Do you drink coffee? It can cause them.

I drink a ton of coffee and have never had tonsil stones. I take good care of my teeth. My son is also not circumcised because my DH thinks it is mutilation. There is a way to "reclaim one's foreskin" a colleague of mine presented a paper on the history of circumcision in the USA and current trends. He admitted by the end of his research, he regretted his parents had him circumcised as a baby.

Ultimately, I think it doesn't matter either way.

What kind of sick place do you work at? intact male american?

Sick?! Lol! Maybe? I work at a University. My colleague is a historian.

A Historian is not a doctor.

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I don't get pp's point. The colleague was presenting on the history of circumcision. That's appropriate for a historian, not a doctor.

And when I learned the history of circumcision, it made me less likely to consider it for my sons, also, absent a clear medical benefit.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get pp's point. The colleague was presenting on the history of circumcision. That's appropriate for a historian, not a doctor.

And when I learned the history of circumcision, it made me less likely to consider it for my sons, also, absent a clear medical benefit.

It has been proven as a medical benifit (a fact).

Live in the present not in the past, is the earth flat? Do vaccines cause autism? Science is important.

[Anonymous]

Science has also shown us that mutilating female genitals gives a 50-60% reduction in HIV infection. And I'm sure there are many other health benefits as well.


**Note: I am against ALL genital mutilation of females, males and intersex. Please don't interpret this post as supporting any of these activities.**

**Everything I have posted below is factual; but it's supposed to be ironic and educational - to help folks clear up their confused thinking around this issue. Thanks**

[Genital Autonomy for all - Intersex, Male & Female](http://www.genitalautonomy.org/about-ga/)

If the amputation of the mucus membranes of the male genitals results in a lowering of HIV infection; then it would not be unreasonable to assume that the amputation of the mucus membranes of the female genitals would produce the same effect. Indeed, as the total surface area of mucus membranes in females is so much greater than that of males, the effect may be even greater.

However, most western peoples will be repulsed by the idea of amputating parts of an infant female's genitals to obtain some future protection from a disease. All the more so, when nearly 100% protection can be obtain from HIV infection by use of condoms.

But this repulsion does not arise when the prospect of amputating parts of infant male genitals. This is clearly because such activity has become "normalised" in the west. This is the issue.

Like male circumcision, there are plenty of peer reviewed studies that show female circumcision is not a barrier to sexual orgasm and enjoyment. Some studies show that orgasm and enjoyment are reduced; and some show no effect.

You'll often come across members of the medical community saying that FGM has no "health" benefits, and if women have their clitoris amputated, then their sex life comes to an end. Then they say that MGM has lots of "health" benefits and that men's sex life is not affected.

But it's a myth that many women who have suffered FGM are unhappy and cannot have great sex lives. That's why they queue up to have their daughters' circumcised. Plus there are many so-called potential "health benefits" - such as a 50% reduction in HIV/AIDS.

The visible part - the glans clitoris - is only a small part of the whole clitoris. So when a woman suffers partial or total amputation of the external clitoris when undergoing FGM, only a small part of her clitoris is removed. Thus she often can enjoy a full and satisfying sex life.

**The truth about the female clitoris**

Learn how large the female clitoris is; and how the external glans clitoris is just a small part of it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/28/cliteracy_n_3823983.html
http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/sexuality/a/clitoraltruthin.htm

http://www.amazon.com/The-Clitoral-Truth-Secret-Fingertips/dp/1583224734

**Female Circumcision & Health Benefits**

*"Stallings et al. (2005) reported that, in Tanzanian women,
the risk of HIV among women who had undergone FGC
was roughly half that of women who had not; the association
remained significant after adjusting for region, household
wealth, age, lifetime partners, union status, and recent ulcer."*

Note: when it's found that circumcising *female* genitals reduces HIV/AIDS it's called a *"conundrum"* rather that a wonderfully exciting "medical" opportunity to reduces HIV/AIDS.

http://www.iasociety.org/Default.aspx?pageId=11&abstractId=2177677

*"Georgia State University, Public Health Theses"* — a USA University of international renown:

The Association between Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) and the Risk of HIV/AIDS in Kenyan Girls and Women (15-49 Years):

*"RESULTS: This study shows an inverse association (OR=0.508; 95% CI: 0.376-0.687) between FGM and HIV/AIDS, after adjusting for confounding variables."*

*"DISCUSSION: The inverse association between FGM and HIV/AIDS established in this study suggests a possible protective effect of female circumcision against HIV/AIDS. This finding suggests therefore the need to authenticate this inverse association in different populations and also to determine the mechanisms for the observed association."*

*"This study investigated whether there is a direct association between FGM and HIV/AIDS. Surprisingly, the results indicated that the practice of FGM turned out to reduce the risk of HIV. While a positive association was hypothesized, a surprising inverse association between cases of female circumcision and positive HIV serostatus was obtained, hence indicating that FGM may have protective properties against the transmission of HIV."*

http://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1113&context=iph_theses

*"National Bureau of Statistics, Tanzania - 50% reduction in HIV/AIDS in women who have have parts of the genitals amputated:"*

http://www.tzonline.org/pdf/femalecircumcisionandhivinfectionintanzania.pdf


*"International Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology"* — a peer reviewed journal of international renown:

Female genital cutting in this group of women did not attenuate sexual feelings:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1471-0528.2002.01550.x/abstract

*"The Journal of Sexual Medicine"* — a peer reviewed journal of international renown:

Pleasure and orgasm in women with Female Genital Mutilation/Cutting (FGM/C):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17970975

*"The New Scientist"* (references a medical journal)

Female Circumcision Does Not Reduce Sexual Activity:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2837-female-circumcision-does-not-reduce-sexual-activity.html#.Uml2H2RDtOQ

*"Journal of General Internal Medicine"* — a peer reviewed journal of international renown:

Female "Circumcision" - African Women Confront American Medicine

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1497147/

Medical benefits of female circumcision: Dr. Haamid al-Ghawaabi

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/45528

*"Pediatrics (AAP)"* — a peer reviewed journal of international renown:

Genital Cutting Advocated By American Academy Of Pediatrics

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/102/1/153.short

[Genital Autonomy for all - Intersex, Male & Female](http://www.genitalautonomy.org/about-ga/)

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

17:21 - it's cute you think anyone would read that entire post.

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Anonymous wrote:17:21 - it's cute you think anyone would read that entire post.

I know. There aren't any exclamation marks in that post. Why should we even care??!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:17:21 - it's cute you think anyone would read that entire post.

I know. There aren't any exclamation marks in that post. Why should we even care??!!!!!

It's all cut and pasted from her boring soapbox! Be original!!