Good that Christ made seeing without believing a blessing, because it encouraged a lot of people, who otherwise wouldn't, to believe. Also, if god is so powerful and wonderful, I don't know why people would have to try so hard be aware of him. |
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I don't know that God can "show" himself. I'm not sure what you are expecting to see. God is spiritual, a sense of integrity, doing unto others. He shows himself every time that little voice inside our heads speaks up...and tells us that we've been petty, mean, dishonest, unfaithful, unkind..
He also shows us encouragement when we are trying to do our best. This does not mean that we won't have our struggles because we ALL do at some point. But He will be there for us when we do struggle. |
| "I think it pisses God off if people walk by the color purple in a field somewhere and don't notice it. People think pleasing God is all God cares about. But any fool living in the world can see it trying to please us back." (From memory - may be slightly in exact.) |
And what about when there is a tsunami or an earthquake or a school full of little kids gunned down by a deranged gunman? where is god hiding then? Seems like god gets credit for all the good things and none of the blame for the bad things. Truly, I think it's possible to appreciate the cosmos and the many times when people can be really good to each other, without ascribing it all to a unseen being. |
Do people who know me assume I still exist when I am not there at the moment? Of course they do. Why does God have to communicate with us 24/7 for us to believe in the existence of God? |
Have you studied any cognitive psychology? Chimps can "do unto others" -- it's part of evolution that animals learned to cooperative in order to survive. And where is God's voice when we are being petty, mean, etc? As for struggles -- sometimes they work out and perhaps you give god credit for helping, but what about when things don't work out? Where is god then? taking a break or helping someone else? It's natural to be grateful when things go well, but that doesn't mean there is is an unseen being who is responsible. |
People who know you were not taught to believe you existed or that you had unusual powers, including being invisible but omnipresent. they determined for themselves that you were real based on seeing or hearing you and spending time with you and sharing ideas and experiences. |
| For all the atheists out there.. what if it all turns out to be true? Won't you wish you had believed? |
It's a lovely line written by Alice Walker in a work of fiction. |
My point though was, just because God sometimes gives us clear guidance and other times doesn't, doesn't mean God does not exist. If you have ever experienced a strong gut feeling about something, then you have experienced God, IMO. Of course that doesn't ALWAYS happen. Just like I still exist when I am not in the room, so does God even when we are not feeling God's presence. |
what is "it all?" Do you mean the promise of an afterlife for those who believe in a particular god - with the option of eternal suffering if you don't believe? That's one religion's promise and threat. |
Ah, fire insurance faith. "Isn't it better to believe than risk eternal damnation." I am not sure if athiest applies to me, but I can tell you I have a peace that passes all understanding the prevailing monotheistic deities do not exist. |
Can you rephrase this? |
the fact that God sometimes doesn't provide guidance doesn't mean he doesn't exist, but it does strongly imply that he sometimes isn't caring for us when we really need it -- and seems to be much kinder to some people than to others. This suggests that it is more likely that there is not a special being watching over those who believe in him. I often have strong gut feelings but see no reason to attribute them to an unseen being. Also, sometimes my gut feelings are wrong. |
"... but it does strongly imply that he sometimes isn't caring for us when we really need it" No, this is not true. Sometimes things happen that we can't understand. Sometimes we force our kids to do things they don't want to do but it is for their own good. Just because they don't get it doesn't mean it's not being done for their good. Same thing with life -- we learn and grow from adversity. It does not prove God does not care. Haven't you seen the hallmark coffee mug with the footsteps in the sand???..... |