what is special about Carson

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Anonymous wrote:We are base school Franklin, but have DC1 in the Carson Center. So I can't speak from first hand knowledge. But, both the Franklin kids and parents in our neighborhood love the school, and say many of the things as PP: despite being a large school, it has a nurturing, community feeling and does a great job at making each student feel like an individual.

In fact, DC2 is looking at going LLIV Franklin next year instead of Carson Center (if there is still a choice). Maybe a Franklin parent can help me out. Franklin's website says they have about 120 students a grade (240 total) in Level 4. The school board's official tally says there are only 20 per grade that a Level 4 qualified. Which number is right? 120 per grade would be great, but seems unlikely given the number of Franklin zoned kids at Carson. Is Franklin taking kids who are LII & LIII qualified, using them to fill out an LLIV team, and counting them as level IV

Was looking for this data on the website but didn't see it -- would you mind providing a link? TIA!

http://m.fcps.edu/?task=get&url=http%3A%2F%2Fschoolprofiles.fcps.edu%2Fschlprfl%2Ff%3Fp%3D108%3A13%3A%3A%3A%3A%3AP0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID%3A331

Hopefully this works. It says 28% of tHe school (235 kids total) is level IV. That seems way off with so many kids at Carson.

Where was this posted on Franklin's website? It looks to be from the school profile, which is not regulated by the school. I only point this out because your original post reads as though Franklin is skewing data, but I couldn't find anything on their website to support that.

I'm guessing that these numbers are off because "Student Membership" and "Enrollment" likely mean different things. I'm not positive, but it seems as though "Student Membership" refers to students who are zoned for this school and "Enrollment" encompasses the number of students who actually attend the school.

If you're curious about the numbers, I suggest emailing the school's Director of Student Services and ask. You can also ask if the classes are exclusively Level IV students or if others are included as well. This should provide you with the most up-to-date and accurate data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are base school Franklin, but have DC1 in the Carson Center. So I can't speak from first hand knowledge. But, both the Franklin kids and parents in our neighborhood love the school, and say many of the things as PP: despite being a large school, it has a nurturing, community feeling and does a great job at making each student feel like an individual.

In fact, DC2 is looking at going LLIV Franklin next year instead of Carson Center (if there is still a choice). Maybe a Franklin parent can help me out. Franklin's website says they have about 120 students a grade (240 total) in Level 4. The school board's official tally says there are only 20 per grade that a Level 4 qualified. Which number is right? 120 per grade would be great, but seems unlikely given the number of Franklin zoned kids at Carson. Is Franklin taking kids who are LII & LIII qualified, using them to fill out an LLIV team, and counting them as level IV

Was looking for this data on the website but didn't see it -- would you mind providing a link? TIA!

http://m.fcps.edu/?task=get&url=http%3A%2F%2Fschoolprofiles.fcps.edu%2Fschlprfl%2Ff%3Fp%3D108%3A13%3A%3A%3A%3A%3AP0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID%3A331

Hopefully this works. It says 28% of tHe school (235 kids total) is level IV. That seems way off with so many kids at Carson.

Also, Franklin only had 33 kids take the Geometry SOL last year, which means only about 33 incoming 7th graders were Algebra I the year before. That seems really low if there were really 120 Level IV qualified kids, especially since there are some parents on this board claiming that significant numbers of non- level IV kids are also qualifying for algebra. As a point of reference, Carson has about 440 LLIV qualified kids per year, and 260 took geometry, a
And another 32 taking Algebra II last year.-- so almost 300, or more than 2/3 come in as Algebra I or higher 7th graders. I would love to know how many level IV qualified (not level IV placed) kids Franklin actually has per year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are base school Franklin, but have DC1 in the Carson Center. So I can't speak from first hand knowledge. But, both the Franklin kids and parents in our neighborhood love the school, and say many of the things as PP: despite being a large school, it has a nurturing, community feeling and does a great job at making each student feel like an individual.

In fact, DC2 is looking at going LLIV Franklin next year instead of Carson Center (if there is still a choice). Maybe a Franklin parent can help me out. Franklin's website says they have about 120 students a grade (240 total) in Level 4. The school board's official tally says there are only 20 per grade that a Level 4 qualified. Which number is right? 120 per grade would be great, but seems unlikely given the number of Franklin zoned kids at Carson. Is Franklin taking kids who are LII & LIII qualified, using them to fill out an LLIV team, and counting them as level IV

Was looking for this data on the website but didn't see it -- would you mind providing a link? TIA!

http://m.fcps.edu/?task=get&url=http%3A%2F%2Fschoolprofiles.fcps.edu%2Fschlprfl%2Ff%3Fp%3D108%3A13%3A%3A%3A%3A%3AP0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID%3A331

Hopefully this works. It says 28% of tHe school (235 kids total) is level IV. That seems way off with so many kids at Carson.

Also, Franklin only had 33 kids take the Geometry SOL last year, which means only about 33 incoming 7th graders were Algebra I the year before. That seems really low if there were really 120 Level IV qualified kids, especially since there are some parents on this board claiming that significant numbers of non- level IV kids are also qualifying for algebra. As a point of reference, Carson has about 440 LLIV qualified kids per year, and 260 took geometry, a
And another 32 taking Algebra II last year.-- so almost 300, or more than 2/3 come in as Algebra I or higher 7th graders. I would love to know how many level IV qualified (not level IV placed) kids Franklin actually has per year.

See last paragraph in post above yours. It's simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are base school Franklin, but have DC1 in the Carson Center. So I can't speak from first hand knowledge. But, both the Franklin kids and parents in our neighborhood love the school, and say many of the things as PP: despite being a large school, it has a nurturing, community feeling and does a great job at making each student feel like an individual.

In fact, DC2 is looking at going LLIV Franklin next year instead of Carson Center (if there is still a choice). Maybe a Franklin parent can help me out. Franklin's website says they have about 120 students a grade (240 total) in Level 4. The school board's official tally says there are only 20 per grade that a Level 4 qualified. Which number is right? 120 per grade would be great, but seems unlikely given the number of Franklin zoned kids at Carson. Is Franklin taking kids who are LII & LIII qualified, using them to fill out an LLIV team, and counting them as level IV

Was looking for this data on the website but didn't see it -- would you mind providing a link? TIA!

http://m.fcps.edu/?task=get&url=http%3A%2F%2Fschoolprofiles.fcps.edu%2Fschlprfl%2Ff%3Fp%3D108%3A13%3A%3A%3A%3A%3AP0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID%3A331

Hopefully this works. It says 28% of tHe school (235 kids total) is level IV. That seems way off with so many kids at Carson.

Also, Franklin only had 33 kids take the Geometry SOL last year, which means only about 33 incoming 7th graders were Algebra I the year before. That seems really low if there were really 120 Level IV qualified kids, especially since there are some parents on this board claiming that significant numbers of non- level IV kids are also qualifying for algebra. As a point of reference, Carson has about 440 LLIV qualified kids per year, and 260 took geometry, a
And another 32 taking Algebra II last year.-- so almost 300, or more than 2/3 come in as Algebra I or higher 7th graders. I would love to know how many level IV qualified (not level IV placed) kids Franklin actually has per year.

See last paragraph in post above yours. It's simple.

No, it's not. The FCPS AAP committee released a report saying that there were only 31 AAP qualified kids enrolled in Franklin last year: across both grades (9 in one grade, 22 in the other). http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/pdfs/aapac/1415/AnnualReport1415.pdf

So, not even enough to have a single classroom core subject are AAP only, especially in the grade with 9 kids. There are certainly not enough for her to been in an AAP team. As much as I would love to send DDS to Franklin, instead of Carson, I don't think it's a goof fit if the AAP pool is so small. Especially since her sibling is having a great, rigorous academic experience at Carson.

Also, there is a huge difference between 240 Level IV qualified kids (as the demographics info on Franklin's website sates) and 31 qualified kids, as the AAP takes for stated last year. Once again, which is correct?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are base school Franklin, but have DC1 in the Carson Center. So I can't speak from first hand knowledge. But, both the Franklin kids and parents in our neighborhood love the school, and say many of the things as PP: despite being a large school, it has a nurturing, community feeling and does a great job at making each student feel like an individual.

In fact, DC2 is looking at going LLIV Franklin next year instead of Carson Center (if there is still a choice). Maybe a Franklin parent can help me out. Franklin's website says they have about 120 students a grade (240 total) in Level 4. The school board's official tally says there are only 20 per grade that a Level 4 qualified. Which number is right? 120 per grade would be great, but seems unlikely given the number of Franklin zoned kids at Carson. Is Franklin taking kids who are LII & LIII qualified, using them to fill out an LLIV team, and counting them as level IV

Was looking for this data on the website but didn't see it -- would you mind providing a link? TIA!

http://m.fcps.edu/?task=get&url=http%3A%2F%2Fschoolprofiles.fcps.edu%2Fschlprfl%2Ff%3Fp%3D108%3A13%3A%3A%3A%3A%3AP0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID%3A331

Hopefully this works. It says 28% of tHe school (235 kids total) is level IV. That seems way off with so many kids at Carson.

Also, Franklin only had 33 kids take the Geometry SOL last year, which means only about 33 incoming 7th graders were Algebra I the year before. That seems really low if there were really 120 Level IV qualified kids, especially since there are some parents on this board claiming that significant numbers of non- level IV kids are also qualifying for algebra. As a point of reference, Carson has about 440 LLIV qualified kids per year, and 260 took geometry, a
And another 32 taking Algebra II last year.-- so almost 300, or more than 2/3 come in as Algebra I or higher 7th graders. I would love to know how many level IV qualified (not level IV placed) kids Franklin actually has per year.

See last paragraph in post above yours. It's simple.

No, it's not. The FCPS AAP committee released a report saying that there were only 31 AAP qualified kids enrolled in Franklin last year: across both grades (9 in one grade, 22 in the other). http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/pdfs/aapac/1415/AnnualReport1415.pdf

So, not even enough to have a single classroom core subject are AAP only, especially in the grade with 9 kids. There are certainly not enough for her to been in an AAP team. As much as I would love to send DDS to Franklin, instead of Carson, I don't think it's a goof fit if the AAP pool is so small. Especially since her sibling is having a great, rigorous academic experience at Carson.

Also, there is a huge difference between 240 Level IV qualified kids (as the demographics info on Franklin's website sates) and 31 qualified kids, as the AAP takes for stated last year. Once again, which is correct?

The School Profile page is compiled by the county, not by individual schools, so frustrations regarding discrepancies with data should not be directed toward Franklin but through the School Profile curators. Schools are required to link to the School Profile pages on their websites but are not the ones publishing the information.

The information shared in the AAPAC report is now a year old, so the 9 kids have moved on to high school, and the 22 are 8th graders; information about the number of 7th graders is not provided. If you want to know how many there are and how they are grouped (with or without Level II and/or III students), contact the school directly. They have no reason not to share the information with you.

It sounds like your decision is already made, though.

[Anonymous]

For middle schools, the number of students included in the School Profile AAP counts includes the number of students taking honors classes. So a student taking 2 honors classes is counted towards AAP Level 2, 3 honors classes as AAP Level 3, and 4 honors classes as AAP Level 4.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For middle schools, the number of students included in the School Profile AAP counts includes the number of students taking honors classes. So a student taking 2 honors classes is counted towards AAP Level 2, 3 honors classes as AAP Level 3, and 4 honors classes as AAP Level 4.

Sounds like lots of smart kids at Franklin, then, even if they're not Level IV designated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For middle schools, the number of students included in the School Profile AAP counts includes the number of students taking honors classes. So a student taking 2 honors classes is counted towards AAP Level 2, 3 honors classes as AAP Level 3, and 4 honors classes as AAP Level 4.

Sounds like lots of smart kids at Franklin, then, even if they're not Level IV designated.

Anyone can take an honors class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For middle schools, the number of students included in the School Profile AAP counts includes the number of students taking honors classes. So a student taking 2 honors classes is counted towards AAP Level 2, 3 honors classes as AAP Level 3, and 4 honors classes as AAP Level 4.

Sounds like lots of smart kids at Franklin, then, even if they're not Level IV designated.

Anyone can take an honors class.

Sure, but how many are taking all 4 that really "shouldn't" be? Not that many.

[Anonymous]

Honors classes aren't the same thing as AAP classes ba ki taking 4 honors is not taking the same curriculum as an AAP kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honors classes aren't the same thing as AAP classes ba ki taking 4 honors is not taking the same curriculum as an AAP kid.

Huh? Not sure you should be bashing kids taking 4 honors classes with writing like that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For middle schools, the number of students included in the School Profile AAP counts includes the number of students taking honors classes. So a student taking 2 honors classes is counted towards AAP Level 2, 3 honors classes as AAP Level 3, and 4 honors classes as AAP Level 4.

Sounds like lots of smart kids at Franklin, then, even if they're not Level IV designated.

Anyone can take an honors class.

Sure, but how many are taking all 4 that really "shouldn't" be? Not that many.

It differs from school to school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honors classes aren't the same thing as AAP classes ba ki taking 4 honors is not taking the same curriculum as an AAP kid.

Huh? Not sure you should be bashing kids taking 4 honors classes with writing like that.

iPhone typing is terrible, and 4 Honors classes is admirable. But at our MS (not Franklin) it's still a step down academically from AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honors classes aren't the same thing as AAP classes ba ki taking 4 honors is not taking the same curriculum as an AAP kid.

This makes me laugh everytime I hear it (usually, only here on DCUM). Honors classes are indeed the same as AAP, or extremely close. The curriculum just is not that different, people. Though I know how special it makes you feel to believe it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honors classes aren't the same thing as AAP classes ba ki taking 4 honors is not taking the same curriculum as an AAP kid.

Huh? Not sure you should be bashing kids taking 4 honors classes with writing like that.

iPhone typing is terrible, and 4 Honors classes is admirable. But at our MS (not Franklin) it's still a step down academically from AAP.

FCPS still considers it Level IV services, though, which is addressing PP's question about numbers at Franklin.